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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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Well shit, that sucks. I doubt they can get another Tier 1.5(lol) offlaner in NA. I'm happy that wayto is replacing 1437, I love that guy and he plays well.
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Can I quote a long conversation I had a few months back?
On May 18 2014 09:42 Bench_5R wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 00:43 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 19:46 Witten wrote:On May 17 2014 12:26 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 12:16 Wingblade wrote:On May 17 2014 12:08 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:On May 17 2014 11:22 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:07 TomatoBisque wrote:On May 17 2014 10:33 DucK- wrote:
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Same thing for me. I kind of dislike the fact that they were formed solely for TI4. No doubt they are the best team so they deserved it. But aside from fogged, all the other players were barely active in the scene this season. I dislike their non commitment to the game. Them qualifying shows talent in the team, but the lack of effort feels like a waste of potential. They weren't formed solely for TI4, at least that's not the intention. Brax said it is supposed to be a long term team. There's no such thing as long term unless you have success in the team. liquids proving that false dude Well liquid had changes after ti3. I don't buy the story that nar would stay together if they do not perform in ti4. They probably don't have the intention to grind results out. Their captain just had an interview saying they were going to accept a sponsor and possibly boot camp for TI4. If you're going to blatantly ignore or refuse the direct words of the teams captain I guess you have that right. Ignorance is bliss after all. Yea boot camp for ti4. I have no problems with that. What about after ti4? If they are going to split because of poor results, then it pretty much means that they were formed solely for TI4. Sponsorship really mean nothing when players can just change roster so easily despite being attached to an organization. Aren't Alliance, fnatic and Na'Vi the only teams coming to TI4 with the same roster they had last year? After the International most of the teams who didn't finish top 2 or 3 are going to restructure their rosters anyways, I don't see why NAR has to glue their roster in to be considered a legitimate team when teams like Empire, VP, and EG change their rosters often. I never said they can't. I'm saying that I dislike how they were formed solely for TI4, especially when 4 out of.5 players were barely in the scene this season. He said that brax said they wanted to stay long term together. I doubted the statement, and you pretty much explained why. Lot of nested quotes... anyway, they were definitely not just recently formed for TI4 qualies. Brax had been planning this team for months, probably not this exact roster but definitely 1437 and Sneyking. Feb 7, over 3 months ago. They didn't really have a full roster at that point though, so Brax started playing a lot more League and Sneyking seemed to want to join Liquid, but once the team got Korok and took Fogged once he was booted from Dog, they decided to recommit and were able to get themselves into ADL season 2 and then jDL. To look down on any group of individuals for trying hard to get into the biggest e-sport event ever is, in my opinion, a bit pretentious of a remark. The American pro scene is known to be a lot more unstable than most of the EU scene, but that doesn't change the fact that really amazing teams can come together and stay together relatively long.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
I always wonder how anyone can play with Sneyking
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On October 12 2014 23:49 DucK- wrote:Can I quote a long conversation I had a few months back? Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 09:42 Bench_5R wrote:On May 18 2014 00:43 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 19:46 Witten wrote:On May 17 2014 12:26 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 12:16 Wingblade wrote:On May 17 2014 12:08 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:On May 17 2014 11:22 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:07 TomatoBisque wrote:
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They weren't formed solely for TI4, at least that's not the intention. Brax said it is supposed to be a long term team. There's no such thing as long term unless you have success in the team. liquids proving that false dude Well liquid had changes after ti3. I don't buy the story that nar would stay together if they do not perform in ti4. They probably don't have the intention to grind results out. Their captain just had an interview saying they were going to accept a sponsor and possibly boot camp for TI4. If you're going to blatantly ignore or refuse the direct words of the teams captain I guess you have that right. Ignorance is bliss after all. Yea boot camp for ti4. I have no problems with that. What about after ti4? If they are going to split because of poor results, then it pretty much means that they were formed solely for TI4. Sponsorship really mean nothing when players can just change roster so easily despite being attached to an organization. Aren't Alliance, fnatic and Na'Vi the only teams coming to TI4 with the same roster they had last year? After the International most of the teams who didn't finish top 2 or 3 are going to restructure their rosters anyways, I don't see why NAR has to glue their roster in to be considered a legitimate team when teams like Empire, VP, and EG change their rosters often. I never said they can't. I'm saying that I dislike how they were formed solely for TI4, especially when 4 out of.5 players were barely in the scene this season. He said that brax said they wanted to stay long term together. I doubted the statement, and you pretty much explained why. Lot of nested quotes... anyway, they were definitely not just recently formed for TI4 qualies. Brax had been planning this team for months, probably not this exact roster but definitely 1437 and Sneyking. https://twitter.com/braxlikesdota/status/431932188406198272Feb 7, over 3 months ago. They didn't really have a full roster at that point though, so Brax started playing a lot more League and Sneyking seemed to want to join Liquid, but once the team got Korok and took Fogged once he was booted from Dog, they decided to recommit and were able to get themselves into ADL season 2 and then jDL. To look down on any group of individuals for trying hard to get into the biggest e-sport event ever is, in my opinion, a bit pretentious of a remark. The American pro scene is known to be a lot more unstable than most of the EU scene, but that doesn't change the fact that really amazing teams can come together and stay together relatively long.
But "every possible sign in the universe" (freely quoting some other forum member) was pointing at the team being formed for TI5 and the captain even said they are devoted to strive for excellence!
Jokes aside, hopefully they can form some sort of a stable team around the people who are in the team still, and maybe Brax and 1437 could get new players to form another team. Would be nice to have more competition in NA region qualifiers. Though I don't have much faith in any of these players forming a team that could become a real competitor. I listened to the Brax interview where he talked a bit about what is going on, and it didn't seem that any of the players have the necessary leadership to make the players work together and instead everyone starts the blame game when they lose.
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On October 13 2014 00:42 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:49 DucK- wrote:Can I quote a long conversation I had a few months back? On May 18 2014 09:42 Bench_5R wrote:On May 18 2014 00:43 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 19:46 Witten wrote:On May 17 2014 12:26 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 12:16 Wingblade wrote:On May 17 2014 12:08 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:On May 17 2014 11:22 DucK- wrote:
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There's no such thing as long term unless you have success in the team. liquids proving that false dude Well liquid had changes after ti3. I don't buy the story that nar would stay together if they do not perform in ti4. They probably don't have the intention to grind results out. Their captain just had an interview saying they were going to accept a sponsor and possibly boot camp for TI4. If you're going to blatantly ignore or refuse the direct words of the teams captain I guess you have that right. Ignorance is bliss after all. Yea boot camp for ti4. I have no problems with that. What about after ti4? If they are going to split because of poor results, then it pretty much means that they were formed solely for TI4. Sponsorship really mean nothing when players can just change roster so easily despite being attached to an organization. Aren't Alliance, fnatic and Na'Vi the only teams coming to TI4 with the same roster they had last year? After the International most of the teams who didn't finish top 2 or 3 are going to restructure their rosters anyways, I don't see why NAR has to glue their roster in to be considered a legitimate team when teams like Empire, VP, and EG change their rosters often. I never said they can't. I'm saying that I dislike how they were formed solely for TI4, especially when 4 out of.5 players were barely in the scene this season. He said that brax said they wanted to stay long term together. I doubted the statement, and you pretty much explained why. Lot of nested quotes... anyway, they were definitely not just recently formed for TI4 qualies. Brax had been planning this team for months, probably not this exact roster but definitely 1437 and Sneyking. https://twitter.com/braxlikesdota/status/431932188406198272Feb 7, over 3 months ago. They didn't really have a full roster at that point though, so Brax started playing a lot more League and Sneyking seemed to want to join Liquid, but once the team got Korok and took Fogged once he was booted from Dog, they decided to recommit and were able to get themselves into ADL season 2 and then jDL. To look down on any group of individuals for trying hard to get into the biggest e-sport event ever is, in my opinion, a bit pretentious of a remark. The American pro scene is known to be a lot more unstable than most of the EU scene, but that doesn't change the fact that really amazing teams can come together and stay together relatively long. But "every possible sign in the universe" (freely quoting some other forum member) was pointing at the team being formed for TI5 and the captain even said they are devoted to strive for excellence! Jokes aside, hopefully they can form some sort of a stable team around the people who are in the team still, and maybe Brax and 1437 could get new players to form another team. Would be nice to have more competition in NA region qualifiers. Though I don't have much faith in any of these players forming a team that could become a real competitor. I listened to the Brax interview where he talked a bit about what is going on, and it didn't seem that any of the players have the necessary leadership to make the players work together and instead everyone starts the blame game when they lose.
He did have a slight sense of being bitter about results, Brax himself was playing the blame game. Maybe he just said all of that out of pure bitterness
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On October 13 2014 00:51 villainzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:42 spudde123 wrote:On October 12 2014 23:49 DucK- wrote:Can I quote a long conversation I had a few months back? On May 18 2014 09:42 Bench_5R wrote:On May 18 2014 00:43 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 19:46 Witten wrote:On May 17 2014 12:26 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 12:16 Wingblade wrote:On May 17 2014 12:08 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:
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liquids proving that false dude Well liquid had changes after ti3. I don't buy the story that nar would stay together if they do not perform in ti4. They probably don't have the intention to grind results out. Their captain just had an interview saying they were going to accept a sponsor and possibly boot camp for TI4. If you're going to blatantly ignore or refuse the direct words of the teams captain I guess you have that right. Ignorance is bliss after all. Yea boot camp for ti4. I have no problems with that. What about after ti4? If they are going to split because of poor results, then it pretty much means that they were formed solely for TI4. Sponsorship really mean nothing when players can just change roster so easily despite being attached to an organization. Aren't Alliance, fnatic and Na'Vi the only teams coming to TI4 with the same roster they had last year? After the International most of the teams who didn't finish top 2 or 3 are going to restructure their rosters anyways, I don't see why NAR has to glue their roster in to be considered a legitimate team when teams like Empire, VP, and EG change their rosters often. I never said they can't. I'm saying that I dislike how they were formed solely for TI4, especially when 4 out of.5 players were barely in the scene this season. He said that brax said they wanted to stay long term together. I doubted the statement, and you pretty much explained why. Lot of nested quotes... anyway, they were definitely not just recently formed for TI4 qualies. Brax had been planning this team for months, probably not this exact roster but definitely 1437 and Sneyking. https://twitter.com/braxlikesdota/status/431932188406198272Feb 7, over 3 months ago. They didn't really have a full roster at that point though, so Brax started playing a lot more League and Sneyking seemed to want to join Liquid, but once the team got Korok and took Fogged once he was booted from Dog, they decided to recommit and were able to get themselves into ADL season 2 and then jDL. To look down on any group of individuals for trying hard to get into the biggest e-sport event ever is, in my opinion, a bit pretentious of a remark. The American pro scene is known to be a lot more unstable than most of the EU scene, but that doesn't change the fact that really amazing teams can come together and stay together relatively long. But "every possible sign in the universe" (freely quoting some other forum member) was pointing at the team being formed for TI5 and the captain even said they are devoted to strive for excellence! Jokes aside, hopefully they can form some sort of a stable team around the people who are in the team still, and maybe Brax and 1437 could get new players to form another team. Would be nice to have more competition in NA region qualifiers. Though I don't have much faith in any of these players forming a team that could become a real competitor. I listened to the Brax interview where he talked a bit about what is going on, and it didn't seem that any of the players have the necessary leadership to make the players work together and instead everyone starts the blame game when they lose. He did have a slight sense of being bitter about results, Brax himself was playing the blame game. Maybe he just said all of that out of pure bitterness
Yea I was trying to include Brax in that statement as well. Obviously he couldn't make it work either since it all ended up in arguments and now he seems to be off the team. But I suppose some of the players (Brax included) are pretty young and they haven't had that many seriously competitive teams after all. Perhaps Brax for example can learn from what happened with LGD.int and NaVi.us and be able to take more of a leadership role in the future.
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On October 13 2014 00:42 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:49 DucK- wrote:Can I quote a long conversation I had a few months back? On May 18 2014 09:42 Bench_5R wrote:On May 18 2014 00:43 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 19:46 Witten wrote:On May 17 2014 12:26 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 12:16 Wingblade wrote:On May 17 2014 12:08 DucK- wrote:On May 17 2014 11:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:On May 17 2014 11:22 DucK- wrote:
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There's no such thing as long term unless you have success in the team. liquids proving that false dude Well liquid had changes after ti3. I don't buy the story that nar would stay together if they do not perform in ti4. They probably don't have the intention to grind results out. Their captain just had an interview saying they were going to accept a sponsor and possibly boot camp for TI4. If you're going to blatantly ignore or refuse the direct words of the teams captain I guess you have that right. Ignorance is bliss after all. Yea boot camp for ti4. I have no problems with that. What about after ti4? If they are going to split because of poor results, then it pretty much means that they were formed solely for TI4. Sponsorship really mean nothing when players can just change roster so easily despite being attached to an organization. Aren't Alliance, fnatic and Na'Vi the only teams coming to TI4 with the same roster they had last year? After the International most of the teams who didn't finish top 2 or 3 are going to restructure their rosters anyways, I don't see why NAR has to glue their roster in to be considered a legitimate team when teams like Empire, VP, and EG change their rosters often. I never said they can't. I'm saying that I dislike how they were formed solely for TI4, especially when 4 out of.5 players were barely in the scene this season. He said that brax said they wanted to stay long term together. I doubted the statement, and you pretty much explained why. Lot of nested quotes... anyway, they were definitely not just recently formed for TI4 qualies. Brax had been planning this team for months, probably not this exact roster but definitely 1437 and Sneyking. https://twitter.com/braxlikesdota/status/431932188406198272Feb 7, over 3 months ago. They didn't really have a full roster at that point though, so Brax started playing a lot more League and Sneyking seemed to want to join Liquid, but once the team got Korok and took Fogged once he was booted from Dog, they decided to recommit and were able to get themselves into ADL season 2 and then jDL. To look down on any group of individuals for trying hard to get into the biggest e-sport event ever is, in my opinion, a bit pretentious of a remark. The American pro scene is known to be a lot more unstable than most of the EU scene, but that doesn't change the fact that really amazing teams can come together and stay together relatively long. But "every possible sign in the universe" (freely quoting some other forum member) was pointing at the team being formed for TI5 and the captain even said they are devoted to strive for excellence! Jokes aside, hopefully they can form some sort of a stable team around the people who are in the team still, and maybe Brax and 1437 could get new players to form another team. Would be nice to have more competition in NA region qualifiers. Though I don't have much faith in any of these players forming a team that could become a real competitor. I listened to the Brax interview where he talked a bit about what is going on, and it didn't seem that any of the players have the necessary leadership to make the players work together and instead everyone starts the blame game when they lose.
Ahahaha. I found it.
On June 04 2014 13:19 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 11:12 Wingblade wrote:On June 04 2014 10:30 DucK- wrote:
I'm really sceptical over the long term commitments from this team. Time will tell I guess. Literally every sign in the entire universe points to them sticking around long term and you still write this. Just signed with Navi, captain says in interview this is long term, they are clearly good enough to exist long term. Pretty obvious it's long term. As I, and other people, talked about in previous pages, there's plenty of reasons and history to expect that the team will break up after TI. "Good enough to exist long term" is debatable considering that getting into top8 in TI is not going to be easy for them. If you look at last year for example, every single team in the bottom 8 changed their roster. I believe just some months ago one of their players was playing LoL (Brax), one had some real life problems preventing them from playing much (Fogged), and one was "concentrating on school" (Korok). Even if their captain is serious about their "strive for excellence", imo it's pretty understandable that people are skeptical given their player history and the history of teams that don't do extremely well at TI. That being said, I hope they manage to stay together and do well. They are clearly a team that can at the very least put up good showings in Western tournaments. Would also be good for any NA only events so that EG have more competition than just TL.
I like fogged. I think he deserves some success. He has been quite unlucky with his teams. None of them were really top tier. His EG stint was poor because he had to deal with a supportless and leaderless team (Fear is a horrible captain). Now even with the replacements, I doubt NARVI will be able to do well. Hopefully he gets picked up by some mixed team. Really difficult though since he is NA.
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Ok so reading that the message I get is Sneyking was being a douche as usual.
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Yo guys, any news? I'm getting pretty frustrated with how bad they've performed recently in The Summit
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Cascadia1753 Posts
Apparently DeMoN is playing for them in Taiwan.
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So is Sneyking on the outs with them or just schooling hard? USH is drafting in Summit currently and Ar1se is standing in for Sney
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On November 13 2014 09:32 giftdgecko wrote:
So is Sneyking on the outs with them or just schooling hard? USH is drafting in Summit currently and Ar1se is standing in for Sney
Why can't Ar1se get a team or something? His play on SK at Megafon was the best SK I've ever seen. Get picked up, man!
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On November 13 2014 14:59 Saki [NETOGE] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 09:32 giftdgecko wrote:
So is Sneyking on the outs with them or just schooling hard? USH is drafting in Summit currently and Ar1se is standing in for Sney Why can't Ar1se get a team or something? His play on SK at Megafon was the best SK I've ever seen. Get picked up, man!
I'm hoping that ar1se sticks with H4nni and the two of them form a new team together. They are the best unsigned player at the moment in my opinion.
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1437 seemed to indicate that arise might have been a semi-permanent standin on nar'vi but that seems a bit weird iunno. Based on him+aui_2000 watching a nar'vi summit match together on stream.
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they are gonna need to rebrand to navi.int or someshit
i'd only be happy if arise joins the team if means sneyking is actually out
a good (and fun) international lineup would be 1437, fogged, brax, arise and hanni
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On November 14 2014 02:16 cuckoo wrote:
they are gonna need to rebrand to navi.int or someshit
i'd only be happy if arise joins the team if means sneyking is actually out
a good (and fun) international lineup would be 1437, fogged, brax, arise and hanni
Needs Korok! :<
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On November 14 2014 02:16 cuckoo wrote:
they are gonna need to rebrand to navi.int or someshit
i'd only be happy if arise joins the team if means sneyking is actually out
a good (and fun) international lineup would be 1437, fogged, brax, arise and hanni
id rather have mason than hanni
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On November 14 2014 17:51 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2014 02:16 cuckoo wrote:
they are gonna need to rebrand to navi.int or someshit
i'd only be happy if arise joins the team if means sneyking is actually out
a good (and fun) international lineup would be 1437, fogged, brax, arise and hanni id rather have mason than hanni
I'd rather have neither. Bk is available.
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is merlini gonna play with them?
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