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On April 06 2016 11:51 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 10:53 shouldbeworking wrote:
Its funny/sad how everyone's sentiment is BGod is washed up. Which is probably true. Poor guy went from one of the best carries who can't win a TI to a carry where you can't win a TI with. Doesn't help that he is on some friendship power team. which is not the case, i think.Just because few plebs on reddit thinks that doesn't make it truth. And if anything ,VG has more problems on the positions other than their mid and carry.. They basically took risk of picking 2 young support players with no prior big experience of playing together as their support pair , and the risk is backfiring at them ,Atm..If u have watched any of their games, then one thing u should know that their support rotations are pretty much negligible to none.They usually have no idea what they are doing until some big fight happens where they can create chaos. At this point, either rotk should give up his offlane to one of the support ,mostly jdh and start supporting with hym just to set the tone for early movement. most of their games ends up either burning carrying them or cty carrying them or both
I'm one of those who didn't really doubt about burning but honestly he isn't the best anymore, it has been in awhile. I think burning is flexbile and still doable but he's far from the best carries for a long time now, this isn't just because he's not with the best teams but he's just not better than say miracle and rtz in a lot of aspects and very obvious differences.
Regardless we know that individual skill doesn't have to be the measure of how good the team is, team synergy + drafting can compensate.
The 1 position and 2 pos are the flexible ones i think. CTY is really good so no problem with him, burning is no problem even if he isn't the best anymore what they need is the backbone to function well and also the drafts.
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Burning isn't really a problem. He is somewhat similar to loda. You give him a carry and he just does his job. He doesn't make plays, and is dependent on his team to get space. But if he gets the space, he performs his carry role diligently. Of course exceptions are the times where he is tasked to play invoker qop etc, never seen him comfortable or doing well on them. Oh and as long as he doesn't drafts, he is solid.
The problem lies with rotk and the 2 supports. Rotk is tasked with drafting and hasn't been great with it. His offlane play is also mediocre, though it can also be attributed to bad drafts. The 2 supports has so much work to do, but they are unproven.
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Yeah burning isn't the problem of the roster. It's the support-offlane that has to work.
I think burning's worst hero has been razor, holy shit do not make the dude play razor
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On April 06 2016 19:52 goody153 wrote:
Yeah burning isn't the problem of the roster or at least isn't the rosters problem. It's the support-offlane that has to work.
I think burning's worst hero has been razor, holy shit do not make the dude play razor
lmao yea...his razor is pretty bad..
seriously tho, the risk of picking 2 new amateur support players is backfiring them bigtime. either one of their 2 supports just farms randomly in jungle early game and other one tries to be active but somehow both of their support have lowest networth in the game. In many games , they just don't do anything. Random smokes, multiple failed ganks ruins the early game for them and then they just rely on either burning or cty to carry them late game. The only time where the supports seems to know what they are doing is during big fights.
I am pretty sure, they need to decide which support is getting farm priority because atm , they both look like 2 ppds. or rotk should become support and give offlane to one of the support which worked for them in one of the games yesterday
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According to Reddit, didn't ROTK say he'll quit Dota in case he loses to Swindlemelonzz again? Unfortunately, it looks as though they won't even meet again.
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On April 07 2016 03:51 Azarkon wrote:
According to Reddit, didn't ROTK say he'll quit Dota in case he loses to Swindlemelonzz again? Unfortunately, it looks as though they won't even meet again.
This technically means he doesn't have to retire
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Sylar is joining VG, most probably..So,If this is true they are definately giving up their chances of qualifier or direct invites for both TI and major. Rotk said on his stream that he is going to position 4 with hym as his other support.. Sylar will play carry, CTY plays mid and BurNing plays offlane ..sylar also hinted this in chinese interview and updated his weibo status and everyone in chinese forums are talking about this.
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On April 07 2016 18:22 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 03:51 Azarkon wrote:
According to Reddit, didn't ROTK say he'll quit Dota in case he loses to Swindlemelonzz again? Unfortunately, it looks as though they won't even meet again. This technically means he doesn't have to retire
That has been the joke in the chinese community ever since rotk made that statement
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On April 07 2016 22:28 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Sylar is joining VG, most probably..So,If this is true they are definately giving up their chances of qualifier or direct invites for both TI and major. Rotk said on his stream that he is going to position 4 with hym as his other support.. Sylar will play carry, CTY plays mid and BurNing plays offlane ..sylar also hinted this in chinese interview and updated his weibo status and everyone in chinese forums are talking about this.
Hope this can bring some chemistry to the team. Sylar is a really good player.
Glad to see some change happening, the current VG roster now won't go anywhere.
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Well dunno why this didn't happen before deadline, so VG gonna have to play open qualifiers.....interesting, crazy for a team like VG to be in open qualifiers.
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I think it's ok. It's like two retired pros trying to make it.
Might work if everyone discovers their youth.
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On April 07 2016 22:59 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 18:22 TomatoBisque wrote:On April 07 2016 03:51 Azarkon wrote:
According to Reddit, didn't ROTK say he'll quit Dota in case he loses to Swindlemelonzz again? Unfortunately, it looks as though they won't even meet again. This technically means he doesn't have to retire That has been the joke in the chinese community ever since rotk made that statement
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I feel for the supports on this team. I would love for this VG team to win TI though. It would make for a great vindication story arc. Too bad that's about as realistic as Ewolves winning.
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Whats the story about Fy going to VG Reborn?
And, was not Zyf rated as the biggest carry talent in China for quite some time, and kinda still is?
I guess im just wondering why they have some of theier best players overall in the "second" team... I dont watch all games of VG or Reborn, but from my perspective this would be a stronger first team:
1. Zyf / Sylar
2. Cty
3. Yang
4. Fy
5. ddc
Experienced supports, and a good #5 in ddc.
Weakest link prolly yang... but I still think his plays are better then rotk.
Might put rotk back for yang if u need rotk to draft, and he prolly has a much better mindset at a lan.
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The speculation is that Fy wanted to build his own team using some of the VG.P players but the organisation wanted to build a new team around Burning, so they decided to just have two teams instead
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fy is smart, and knew to get out as soon as burning/cty/rotk was pitched as his new squad. I don't see burning/cty/sylar doing much better.
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On April 08 2016 19:29 Atoissen wrote:
Whats the story about Fy going to VG Reborn?
And, was not Zyf rated as the biggest carry talent in China for quite some time, and kinda still is?
I guess im just wondering why they have some of theier best players overall in the "second" team... I dont watch all games of VG or Reborn, but from my perspective this would be a stronger first team:
1. Zyf / Sylar
2. Cty
3. Yang
4. Fy
5. ddc
Experienced supports, and a good #5 in ddc.
Weakest link prolly yang... but I still think his plays are better then rotk.
Might put rotk back for yang if u need rotk to draft, and he prolly has a much better mindset at a lan.
You prolly want to replace Yang or ddc with ROTK. ROTK is more valuable with solid captain/drafter and even if FY does the captaining having a secondary shotcaller is always good.
but it doesn't matter VG is in a really weird spot atm. I have no faith in the current roster even with the addition of Sylar. It's weird. As for VG.R we have to wait and see
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On April 09 2016 04:07 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:29 Atoissen wrote:
Whats the story about Fy going to VG Reborn?
And, was not Zyf rated as the biggest carry talent in China for quite some time, and kinda still is?
I guess im just wondering why they have some of theier best players overall in the "second" team... I dont watch all games of VG or Reborn, but from my perspective this would be a stronger first team:
1. Zyf / Sylar
2. Cty
3. Yang
4. Fy
5. ddc
Experienced supports, and a good #5 in ddc.
Weakest link prolly yang... but I still think his plays are better then rotk.
Might put rotk back for yang if u need rotk to draft, and he prolly has a much better mindset at a lan. You prolly want to replace Yang or ddc with ROTK. ROTK is more valuable with solid captain/drafter and even if FY does the captaining having a secondary shotcaller is always good. but it doesn't matter VG is in a really weird spot atm. I have no faith in the current roster even with the addition of Sylar. It's weird. As for VG.R we have to wait and see
Not to mention Sylar and RotK are pretty much a packaged deal. Sylar originally left VG after TI4 when RotK retired.
My personal feelings are to leave VG.R alone. They're messy, but they've shone some potential. VG can keep shuffling until they can get something right.
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On April 09 2016 04:05 lolnoty wrote:
fy is smart, and knew to get out as soon as burning/cty/rotk was pitched as his new squad. I don't see burning/cty/sylar doing much better.
he wasn't smart and this isn't matter of smartness..VG wanted to build team around burning and fy wanted to build his own team . so they built 2 teams around them . and noone sees a team with 3 carry players doing much better than approriate roles, but change was inevitable for VG as their team with 2 new supports with no experience wasn't going to work even in long term with the way they were playing . i am pretty sure that this new roster atleast looks better than previous one on paper ..
In the case of VG.R, they are winning most games in general ,but they just failed in crucial moments to qualify for 2 international tournaments and their main problem seems to be late game shotcalling which is a mess for them..
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