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sweetkay
Profile Joined January 2015
206 Posts
June 14 2015 21:21 GMT
#1081
Yup not watching any more Alliance games until after TI when they hopefully can get a decent team together.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 14 2015 21:33 GMT
#1082
On June 15 2015 06:07 GinNtoniC wrote:
Twice he could have Song-->TPed but decided to run/juke and got caught by glimpse. Ughhh the disappointment.
The drafts have been very underwhelming as well. I'm glad they didn't qualify for TI; they need a complete overhaul.

I've been thinking about Synderen a lot lately. I know he has great synergy with Bulldog when playing on stream and he's a top notch drafter and support. Would it be foolish to replace mad after all this? What do you think?


Synderen is not good enough, i sometimes think what if S4 stayed in the team and they just took Zai for 4th position....
The Real Power~
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 21:52:46
June 14 2015 21:51 GMT
#1083
On June 15 2015 06:33 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 06:07 GinNtoniC wrote:
Twice he could have Song-->TPed but decided to run/juke and got caught by glimpse. Ughhh the disappointment.
The drafts have been very underwhelming as well. I'm glad they didn't qualify for TI; they need a complete overhaul.

I've been thinking about Synderen a lot lately. I know he has great synergy with Bulldog when playing on stream and he's a top notch drafter and support. Would it be foolish to replace mad after all this? What do you think?


Synderen is not good enough, i sometimes think what if S4 stayed in the team and they just took Zai for 4th position....

One could dream. Unfortunately that will never happen unless Secret completely implodes out of nowhere.
Edit: Btw, Synderen not being good enough? I don't know about that. Didn't he finish pretty high in FPL? I know that doesn't translate into pro team prowess, but it's definately something. I know he was sitting as #1 for a long time.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 14 2015 21:56 GMT
#1084
I thought Synderen was about 5.5k mmr, not really professional level, more like Purge level. I realize that playing pubs doesn't translate 1-to-1 to competetive play, but it still says something about individual skill
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 14 2015 22:32 GMT
#1085
On June 15 2015 06:51 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 06:33 Zea! wrote:
On June 15 2015 06:07 GinNtoniC wrote:
Twice he could have Song-->TPed but decided to run/juke and got caught by glimpse. Ughhh the disappointment.
The drafts have been very underwhelming as well. I'm glad they didn't qualify for TI; they need a complete overhaul.

I've been thinking about Synderen a lot lately. I know he has great synergy with Bulldog when playing on stream and he's a top notch drafter and support. Would it be foolish to replace mad after all this? What do you think?


Synderen is not good enough, i sometimes think what if S4 stayed in the team and they just took Zai for 4th position....

One could dream. Unfortunately that will never happen unless Secret completely implodes out of nowhere.
Edit: Btw, Synderen not being good enough? I don't know about that. Didn't he finish pretty high in FPL? I know that doesn't translate into pro team prowess, but it's definately something. I know he was sitting as #1 for a long time.


I know it won't happen, but it would have been a beastly team
The Real Power~
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
June 14 2015 22:39 GMT
#1086
Synderen WAS a pretty good player, but he has been long gone from the pro scene, that doesnt mean he is any bad but his pro situation its "washed up"
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 14 2015 22:57 GMT
#1087
Arguably plenty of currently active pros deserve a "washed up" status too.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 15 2015 03:46 GMT
#1088
On June 15 2015 06:07 GinNtoniC wrote:
Twice he could have Song-->TPed but decided to run/juke and got caught by glimpse. Ughhh the disappointment.
The drafts have been very underwhelming as well. I'm glad they didn't qualify for TI; they need a complete overhaul.

I've been thinking about Synderen a lot lately. I know he has great synergy with Bulldog when playing on stream and he's a top notch drafter and support. Would it be foolish to replace mad after all this? What do you think?


Synd is quite a meh player. His clock games always make me wanna puke.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
June 15 2015 04:43 GMT
#1089
I love Synd but there's a reason he switched to fulltime casting.
rip
chairs
Profile Joined June 2015
Singapore120 Posts
June 15 2015 06:12 GMT
#1090
On June 15 2015 06:33 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 06:07 GinNtoniC wrote:
Twice he could have Song-->TPed but decided to run/juke and got caught by glimpse. Ughhh the disappointment.
The drafts have been very underwhelming as well. I'm glad they didn't qualify for TI; they need a complete overhaul.

I've been thinking about Synderen a lot lately. I know he has great synergy with Bulldog when playing on stream and he's a top notch drafter and support. Would it be foolish to replace mad after all this? What do you think?


Synderen is not good enough, i sometimes think what if S4 stayed in the team and they just took Zai for 4th position....


The dream ^^
sweetkay
Profile Joined January 2015
206 Posts
June 15 2015 08:16 GMT
#1091
On June 15 2015 07:57 Talin wrote:
Arguably plenty of currently active pros deserve a "washed up" status too.


Like Loda and Akke...
HollywoodHolocaust
Profile Joined August 2014
49 Posts
June 15 2015 09:24 GMT
#1092
I think they have been consistent recently, consistently top 50, not top 10. I don't think any drastic measures are necessary. We can single out the drafter or individual players in matches where they lose, but at the end of the day I think they deserve each other.
sweetkay
Profile Joined January 2015
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-15 12:57:44
June 15 2015 12:56 GMT
#1093
On June 15 2015 18:24 HollywoodHolocaust wrote:
I think they have been consistent recently, consistently top 50, not top 10. I don't think any drastic measures are necessary. We can single out the drafter or individual players in matches where they lose, but at the end of the day I think they deserve each other.


Jesus Christ!
Top 50 geez, And you don't think that's bad?
2 years ago this team (with 3 of the same players) stood above everyone else and completely dominated the scene. Now they are consistently bad (top50 as u put it) and you don't think that warrants drastic changes?!

This iteration of Alliance cannot stand next season!
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
June 15 2015 13:10 GMT
#1094
I dont even think there are 50 pro teams in Dota lol
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
HollywoodHolocaust
Profile Joined August 2014
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-15 14:19:48
June 15 2015 14:16 GMT
#1095
There were 50 teams in the TI5 qualifiers, plus the 10 teams that were directly invited. I don't think saying they are somewhere in the top 50, but not top 10, is unreasonable. Like with any sport there are a lot of teams/athletes just outside the elite (the top 10 if you like). Two years ago Dota 2 was a much younger game and the competition was not a fierce as it is today.

My point is that they are where they deserve to be with the players they have. I don't think any drastic change, except replacing all five players, is going to suddenly propel them into the podium of next years international. From the last three pages of this thread (paraphrased):

Loda and Akke "Washed up pros"
Bulldog "Can only play three heroes"
Mad "Can't draft"
Pajkatt "Can only play Troll and Sniper"

They can always replace someone, but I think if they want to be a top contender again they have to slowly play their way back in.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-15 14:36:27
June 15 2015 14:35 GMT
#1096
I mean they are a decent team, the problem is that i dont see how they can crawl they way back up with this line up.

NaVi looked worse but with ArtStyle (and some serious disciple) they are looking quite good (no, that doesnt mean Secret/EG/VG level).

While NiP obviously isnt a good measure point, that game 2 was pretty damn good, so hopefully isnt a oasis in the desert but of a glimpse of a better tomorrow

Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 15 2015 15:36 GMT
#1097
On June 15 2015 23:16 HollywoodHolocaust wrote:
There were 50 teams in the TI5 qualifiers, plus the 10 teams that were directly invited. I don't think saying they are somewhere in the top 50, but not top 10, is unreasonable. Like with any sport there are a lot of teams/athletes just outside the elite (the top 10 if you like). Two years ago Dota 2 was a much younger game and the competition was not a fierce as it is today.

My point is that they are where they deserve to be with the players they have. I don't think any drastic change, except replacing all five players, is going to suddenly propel them into the podium of next years international. From the last three pages of this thread (paraphrased):

Loda and Akke "Washed up pros"
Bulldog "Can only play three heroes"
Mad "Can't draft"
Pajkatt "Can only play Troll and Sniper"

They can always replace someone, but I think if they want to be a top contender again they have to slowly play their way back in.


Its not the competition that changed its the game , altough you play the same game at the core , everything from the patch they dominated till now has changed , smoke is different , experience , gold , creep speed , heroes , abilities , EVERYTHING , if you look at the winners of the next TI`s and the top teams , they already been around when alliance won it , its not the new blood , its the game , they cannot adopt to what that has changed i hate saying that , but they were a patch team it seems , once it changed they never recovered.
So please dont talk about feirce competition , it was the same , and it was fierce.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 15 2015 15:57 GMT
#1098
Their 3 cores can't co exist together, in particular pajkatt and loda. They need an aggressive core player, preferably in the mid role. I think misery mid then would have worked. I don't think the problem lies with mad and his drafts.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
June 16 2015 14:21 GMT
#1099
Im gonna make this wild prediction saying alliance will place top 3. If you ask why? how the hell? wtf? etc, I'll just say I feel it in my gut! And my god, my gut has never felt this good. Mmmmmmm.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Hai1Fyre
Profile Joined May 2014
South Africa270 Posts
June 16 2015 14:52 GMT
#1100
On June 16 2015 23:21 lookfirewood wrote:
Im gonna make this wild prediction saying alliance will place top 3. If you ask why? how the hell? wtf? etc, I'll just say I feel it in my gut! And my god, my gut has never felt this good. Mmmmmmm.


Top 3 in what?
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