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lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-10 15:57:35
February 10 2017 15:57 GMT
#4761
@Spacecoke. To be fair, I really dont see too much potential in a team that is godlike just after they formed only to drop to "fair" or just "good" a while later. Teams i can think of recently is VP and B)ears. They ofc have to prove it on a longer term, like you said. But alliance had that starting off right off the bat post TI5, cudn't keep the momentum and failed. But this kinda long term you are talking about, with alliance now, its the wrong kind of long term. They might get lucky soon, but they sure as hell are progressing slow enough that they'll peak 2020 in this pace. Half a year with virtually zero progression.
I dont know man.. I ofc know they have progressed. Some games their early game is completely out of professional gaming. Bad drafts but make it work anyway. Only to throw or I dunno, just play another game for 20 mins and lose because they play so baad.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
February 10 2017 17:17 GMT
#4762
But dont forget other teams are improving too. And thats the main problem. In 2013 nobody could keep up with alliances strategies. These days, you have a lot of teams with very talented and smart players. If u dont improve fast enough, you are done for. For example i cant imagine a situation like 2013 again, where alliance and navi where 2 tiers above everyone else. Even og who won 3 majors, where not on the same level all the time.
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
February 13 2017 19:18 GMT
#4763
Eggem a god
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
February 13 2017 21:58 GMT
#4764
Another day, another lose... this was kinda embarassing against OG, wicked and sick Kotl, lol
The Real Power~
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
February 13 2017 21:59 GMT
#4765
Welp , no doubt they have 0 drafting skills in that elimination format..... getting tinker first pick and leaving Storm and SB ..... what a shit draft ....
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 13 2017 22:00 GMT
#4766
Making it to the grand finals seemed like a pretty good success regardless of the final outcome. OG are a pretty hard team to beat.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-13 22:05:52
February 13 2017 22:05 GMT
#4767
On February 14 2017 07:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Making it to the grand finals seemed like a pretty good success regardless of the final outcome. OG are a pretty hard team to beat.


Beating NIP and barely Ad Finem to get completely demolished, as always, by OG is not exactly what you call "a success"
The Real Power~
gOst
Profile Joined June 2011
415 Posts
February 13 2017 22:13 GMT
#4768
Beating Ad Finem is not too shabby. I think they had a decent showing. With that said, they still are a tier three team atm, and i feel Jonas is their biggest liability.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
February 13 2017 22:25 GMT
#4769
If they were the Boston Ad Finem i could agree with you... but they showed recently that they've lost a lot of their fire, their playing kinda bad lately. So... no, i'm not that happy, the only very good team they faced just smashed them hard.
The Real Power~
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 13 2017 23:34 GMT
#4770
this team just named Alliance, they are not Alliance anymore. like their new logo, they are more like NIPAlliance. they lost their unique play style and their soul already.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
February 14 2017 10:30 GMT
#4771
On February 14 2017 08:34 jack_knife wrote:
this team just named Alliance, they are not Alliance anymore. like their new logo, they are more like NIPAlliance. they lost their unique play style and their soul already.

Then no team should retain its name after any change in roster.

This is Alliance, whether you like it or not. What if they were doing good? Would you also have this opinion? I doubt it.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 13:08:47
February 14 2017 12:59 GMT
#4772
Ok been digesting the games over night and I am happy to see EGM perform to his high level again. He played well all games last night. Have been missing EGM immensely since ti3. I am also happy limp did well and I feel he was stable throughout. Handsken is Handsken, hit and miss, Jonas as well... Loda played really well some games, as expected a few others, and really bad the last.

Compared to earlier games with this iteration I feel they did their best this far. Heck, that aegis steal vs OG gave me a high pulse. Not only cuz it was a cool play, but it's testament they are progressing on synergy. Which was present all but last game yesterday.

That said, I think something really amazing needs to happen next game, or they missed their window, or they are forced to shuffle after major qualifiers.

Edit: I actually wonder if we would fare better if we would play elimination mode even tho the other team doesn't.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 14 2017 13:32 GMT
#4773
On February 14 2017 19:30 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 08:34 jack_knife wrote:
this team just named Alliance, they are not Alliance anymore. like their new logo, they are more like NIPAlliance. they lost their unique play style and their soul already.

Then no team should retain its name after any change in roster.

This is Alliance, whether you like it or not. What if they were doing good? Would you also have this opinion? I doubt it.

they won't do any better with this line up, i just dislike this NIP package so much, i was dreaming about their improvement before WESG. It's time to wake up after you saw that disaster performances.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 14 2017 13:48 GMT
#4774
On February 14 2017 19:30 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 08:34 jack_knife wrote:
this team just named Alliance, they are not Alliance anymore. like their new logo, they are more like NIPAlliance. they lost their unique play style and their soul already.

Then no team should retain its name after any change in roster.

This is Alliance, whether you like it or not. What if they were doing good? Would you also have this opinion? I doubt it.

og changed, liquid changed, but they never lost their play style. look at this alliance, can you tell me what style they have? is there anything remain except that name "Alliance"?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
February 14 2017 15:05 GMT
#4775
On February 14 2017 22:48 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:30 Racket wrote:
On February 14 2017 08:34 jack_knife wrote:
this team just named Alliance, they are not Alliance anymore. like their new logo, they are more like NIPAlliance. they lost their unique play style and their soul already.

Then no team should retain its name after any change in roster.

This is Alliance, whether you like it or not. What if they were doing good? Would you also have this opinion? I doubt it.

og changed, liquid changed, but they never lost their play style. look at this alliance, can you tell me what style they have? is there anything remain except that name "Alliance"?

That is what happens when teams change players. You could just blame it on Loda for picking players that don't match the former playstyle but I guess he wants to win as much as you.

Alliance remains Alliance for as long as its name doesn't change, but even Loda was reluctant about that at first. If you love the name you gotta support them for as long as they keep the name. It hurts yes but that is how it is with teams.

I, for instance, hated to see ArtStyle go, and NaVi games without him aren't the same. I gotta be strong and hope it will change for the better. Keep it up dude.

On the other hand, when the meta shifts and the players don't then you start to read comments on how they should adapt/quit, etc, etc, etc. As long as a team wins only a few people will question what remains of the team they first liked.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 15 2017 15:04 GMT
#4776
Alliance just lost to Gus-Gaming
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
February 15 2017 15:09 GMT
#4777
Heh. Ok
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
February 15 2017 21:59 GMT
#4778
not even surprised, usual defeat.
The Real Power~
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
February 16 2017 10:17 GMT
#4779
Teams have shuffled for less. But that's no guarantee either. And the pool of avaliable players is almost non-existent atm. I would like some statement on why they feel it's good to stay together. That's all I feel. I'll keep cheering tho. Ofc.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 16 2017 16:57 GMT
#4780
maybe sponsor money and/or we got nothing better to do?
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