old Alliance -> inconsistent, but they can beat any tier1 team if they are in good shape.
new Alliance -> inconsistent as well, but they lose any tier3 or even unprofessional team.
old Alliance -> win 80% of their games if bulldog get well farmed and s4 get ok farmed.
new Alliance -> still lose 80% of their games, even loda and jonas get lead in networth.

Anamorph

236 Posts

February 17 2017 06:45 GMT

#4782

loda is not the type of core that achieves a lot with farm.
The way they perform is no fun to watch. I liked alliance, they had a fresh own way of playing the game.

A good swedish squad:

pajkatt core,
s4 core,
bulldog off
pieliedie 5th
egm 4th

loda coach.

I would like that.

wims80

1892 Posts

February 17 2017 12:49 GMT

#4783

Loda is more of an initiating playmaker kind of semi carry. He's getting a lot of unneeded flak IMO, especially by people that don't actually follow Alliance. A lot of the time he dominates games. Of course, a lot of the time he doesn't have a huge impact either. He's very hit-and-miss. Snowball kind of player

Yurie

12118 Posts

February 17 2017 15:10 GMT

#4784

On February 17 2017 21:49 wims80 wrote:
Loda is more of an initiating playmaker kind of semi carry. He's getting a lot of unneeded flak IMO, especially by people that don't actually follow Alliance. A lot of the time he dominates games. Of course, a lot of the time he doesn't have a huge impact either. He's very hit-and-miss. Snowball kind of player

Havn't watched all the games recently at a deep level but from what I have seen they do well when LodA and Limmp both have cores that can scale while the team focuses on creating space for Limmp. If Limmp is on a space creator or hero that can't scale it tends to go worse. I could be wrong though, havn't done an actual analysis of it.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

February 20 2017 07:53 GMT

#4785

Loda used to be a rock solid carry player, good enough to play any carry hero to compliment the team's draft. After all, the team was built around bulldog's greedy offlane and s4 insane playmaking mid.

But now the 2 key players are gone. Jonas is a relatively average offlaner, limmp while good doesn't control games in the way s4 can. Suddenly, loda's role is no longer to compliment the team. He is no longer that important and reliable sidekick you can count on to fulfil a function. The absence of key players has forced loda into being one, but his skill set isn't meant for that.

Of course when he is asked to do a role he doesn't excel in, his errors become more prominent and fatal. That's why he gets so much flak. You could look at it 2 ways though: 1) stop blaming him because he is still the same player just without the same teammates, or 2) blame him because he insist on being in the team, but he hasn't evolved or upgraded his style for life after bulldog/s4 or to suit the meta

lookfirewood

1212 Posts

February 20 2017 18:43 GMT

#4786

A long time ago I said he should move to offlane. Think that will suit him alot better. He can play so many heroes and the meta now actually would benefit the playstyle that makes him excell. And grab a new pos1.

But atm we just have to wait until kiev is over. Nothing will happen before that. Even if it does, it would actually be stupid unless they find some pubstar that isnt signed that fits. Doubt it tho

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

February 22 2017 09:16 GMT

#4787

Didn't I say that ages ago?

Any pubstar's better than loda now that 2 farm oriented players can work out as EG and Liquid are proving.

There's a lot less pressure on the offlane to constantly perform throughout the game , let's see him sardar it up in there!

jack_knife

Germany343 Posts

February 22 2017 13:59 GMT

#4788

On February 22 2017 18:16 LemOn wrote:
Didn't I say that ages ago?

i might underestimated loda, but he doesn't look like that kind of player -> single–handedly holding the off lane, getting ok farm and exp without dying too much. even tier1 player like s4 took few months to adapt his new role.

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

February 22 2017 15:40 GMT

#4789

It's true S4 looked comical at first, like playing batrider like mid, ending up feeding throughout the game, messing up builds... But look at him now I think there's a much better chance of Loda becoming a solid offlaner than world class carry again, much like S4 mid he just hasn't been there past few years...Offlane's not easy by any meana but the offlaner can always make more mistakes than the carry, can have a few off minutes during the game with low farm and is no big deal if he brings those big plays when they matter

lookfirewood

1212 Posts

March 03 2017 21:15 GMT

#4790

One last ride.

lowdice

Sweden306 Posts

March 06 2017 08:05 GMT

#4791

Make or break the lineup i hope.

lookfirewood

1212 Posts

March 08 2017 00:29 GMT

#4792

When's the main qualifiers?

Yurie

12118 Posts

March 08 2017 00:58 GMT

#4793

On March 08 2017 09:29 lookfirewood wrote:
When's the main qualifiers?

Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:00:00 +0100 (2 days) (second on upcoming events on side bar)

sunrazgriz

Vatican City State1573 Posts

March 08 2017 04:04 GMT

#4794

micke made through kiev open qualifier... with solid performance though.

lookfirewood

1212 Posts

March 08 2017 09:52 GMT

#4795

Thanks yurie. Had no events when I posted so... Info up now tho it seems.

Pontual

Brazil3038 Posts

March 10 2017 11:38 GMT

#4796

If Alliance got beaned they might as well disband right away. loosing to a 0 practice, formed 4 days ago team, for the memes, that went through quali only in the second run would have been the bottom of the bottom.

Thank God they won, limmp carried them hard and still wasn't convincing enough

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

March 10 2017 13:58 GMT

#4797

Wow
what do you say now haters