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Nikto
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia410 Posts
November 26 2016 13:51 GMT
#4481
looking real bad, start of g3 was ok, but now they are just being pushed back, I see no recovery baring some major mistakes from Esc
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
November 26 2016 14:11 GMT
#4482
if they want some improvement. Limmp is decent, he should stay, Handsken needs to go, he just doesn't have that level to play, and i hate to say it, maybe it's time to retire for loda.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
November 26 2016 14:55 GMT
#4483


i missed first 10 min of g3, did they really do this?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-26 14:59:44
November 26 2016 14:56 GMT
#4484
On November 26 2016 22:46 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2016 21:01 LemOn wrote:
Sick -armor strat vs Escape game1
Ogre useless midgame
All 3 cores were like paper, especially LC
Plus SD, Diffusal TA for easy pickoffs /chase

A looking strong


Still trolling? You like that really a lot, new hunter_x

That was a great draft by the team G1


Wait...am I getting trolled?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
hashaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway210 Posts
November 26 2016 14:58 GMT
#4485
Been an Alliance fan since NoTidehunter days, but man, it's getting hard to root for that team the way it's been going. That smokegank no the alch illusion is just proving that they are not top players on top of their game. Heck, even a 5k off his game would realize that's an illusion because smoke didn't break.

Sigh, they aren't all bad players, but they have a lacking pos 4 + offlane and no leadership.

Sadly I don't even see a good hard long bootcamp solving their issues. I want to believe, but just can't....
Life is like animal porn... It's not for everyone
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-26 15:02:11
November 26 2016 14:59 GMT
#4486
On November 26 2016 23:55 jack_knife wrote:
https://clips.twitch.tv/dreamleague/QuaintFrogUleetBackup

i missed first 10 min of g3, did they really do this?

Shiet it wouldn't look so bad if there wasn't the 3-4 second pause when they were actually both staring at him

They dominated Game1 then it just fell apart
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
November 26 2016 15:07 GMT
#4487
On November 26 2016 23:58 hashaki wrote:
Been an Alliance fan since NoTidehunter days, but man, it's getting hard to root for that team the way it's been going. That smokegank no the alch illusion is just proving that they are not top players on top of their game. Heck, even a 5k off his game would realize that's an illusion because smoke didn't break.

Sigh, they aren't all bad players, but they have a lacking pos 4 + offlane and no leadership.

Sadly I don't even see a good hard long bootcamp solving their issues. I want to believe, but just can't....

EGM is the best position 4 player, but they put EGM in position 5 and let handsken play position 4 for some reason.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
November 26 2016 15:11 GMT
#4488
On November 26 2016 23:59 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2016 23:55 jack_knife wrote:
https://clips.twitch.tv/dreamleague/QuaintFrogUleetBackup

i missed first 10 min of g3, did they really do this?

Shiet it wouldn't look so bad if there wasn't the 3-4 second pause when they were actually both staring at him

They dominated Game1 then it just fell apart

that's a bad excuse, i am a 4.8k noob, even i know it, that illusion doesn't break smoke.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-26 15:40:58
November 26 2016 15:33 GMT
#4489
On November 27 2016 00:11 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2016 23:59 LemOn wrote:
On November 26 2016 23:55 jack_knife wrote:
https://clips.twitch.tv/dreamleague/QuaintFrogUleetBackup

i missed first 10 min of g3, did they really do this?

Shiet it wouldn't look so bad if there wasn't the 3-4 second pause when they were actually both staring at him

They dominated Game1 then it just fell apart

that's a bad excuse, i am a 4.8k noob, even i know it, that illusion doesn't break smoke.


Jacky jacky... what he means was if they just went for it instead of wasting 4-5 seconds waiting, it'd be more excusable. What they did now, there's no excuse. That's what lemon said.


I really expected more. 2-1 vs ESC followed by an 1-2 vs ESC. Liquid games removed, all they did was 3-3 ESC. WTH is that about.
Trying to break it down, Loda performed badly, so did handsken. EGM is playing really well, and Limmp also plays well. He could do even better with more support mid, but he doesn't need it most of the time, Which is a good thing. Jonas does what he's supposed to. Does this remove Handsken and Loda? I don't know. I really like loda, and I think he performs well more often then not. And most of the time he performs badly is when team in general does badly and the game snowballs from there. Hard for a carry to come back when everything falls.
From when they first got together I feel Jonas has improved, so has Limmp. Loda is stagnant and handsken feels like he's never performing good. Maybe pass on leadership so he wont have to think of that, and/or pass on drafting so he can focus on improving his plays and positioning.

If someone has to go I think it's handsken. Everyone else is fine.

All in all, i feel we got to see a few new strats which was nice. But really dissapointing performance overall.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 26 2016 17:54 GMT
#4490
On November 27 2016 00:11 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2016 23:59 LemOn wrote:
On November 26 2016 23:55 jack_knife wrote:
https://clips.twitch.tv/dreamleague/QuaintFrogUleetBackup

i missed first 10 min of g3, did they really do this?

Shiet it wouldn't look so bad if there wasn't the 3-4 second pause when they were actually both staring at him

They dominated Game1 then it just fell apart

that's a bad excuse, i am a 4.8k noob, even i know it, that illusion doesn't break smoke.

I mean come on, he doesn't have manta, you didn't see him take rune so you gank, see alch on neutral and BAM hookshot that sucka get that kill, no time to think about smoke.

But they literally stopped and were looking at him, probably discussing if it might be bait and failed to see they didn't break smoke
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
November 26 2016 18:09 GMT
#4491
This is the worst roster we have ever had, without a doubt... the one with Pajkatt+7ckngmad was way way better and prolly also Akke+4.

I don't get why lots of you keep finding excuses fail after fail after fail, it's getting embarassing and the brand is surely suffering A LOT from these showings.
The Real Power~
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-26 18:39:03
November 26 2016 18:38 GMT
#4492
On November 27 2016 03:09 Zea! wrote:
This is the worst roster we have ever had, without a doubt... the one with Pajkatt+7ckngmad was way way better and prolly also Akke+4.

I don't get why lots of you keep finding excuses fail after fail after fail, it's getting embarassing and the brand is surely suffering A LOT from these showings.


Most likely because they from time to time are hit by stroke of brilliance. Only to fail afterwards tho. So...
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
hashaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway210 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-26 20:27:14
November 26 2016 20:26 GMT
#4493
On November 27 2016 00:07 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2016 23:58 hashaki wrote:
Been an Alliance fan since NoTidehunter days, but man, it's getting hard to root for that team the way it's been going. That smokegank no the alch illusion is just proving that they are not top players on top of their game. Heck, even a 5k off his game would realize that's an illusion because smoke didn't break.

Sigh, they aren't all bad players, but they have a lacking pos 4 + offlane and no leadership.

Sadly I don't even see a good hard long bootcamp solving their issues. I want to believe, but just can't....

EGM is the best position 4 player, but they put EGM in position 5 and let handsken play position 4 for some reason.


It isn't for some reason. According to an interview with Handsken it was a package deal that Handsken would only join if he would be playing pos 4 (and one of the regrets from Col was playing pos 5.)

So there's that reason. But tbh, when they pick heroes like Io or Rubic they should fucking have EGM play those heroes. Those are signature EGM heroes that he's known to play extremely well (not that others can't play them well) but come on.. If that was his requirement to join they should've found someone else to fill his shoes. Someone who puts the team before themselves.

I mean, if Handsken AND the rest agreed that his abilities are best used as the position 4 every match I could understand him being position 4 every fucking game. But that isn't the case. This is simply Handsken putting himself before the team, and the rest of the team caving to his selfish demands. It's nothing but a fucking joke.
Life is like animal porn... It's not for everyone
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 26 2016 21:22 GMT
#4494
I mean it does make sense for both of them in the long run here
EGM has been in the need to expand his hero pool
And Handsken is wise enough to know he needs to do the same
It's a question if you prioritise winning right now or becoming more complex players for the rest of your career.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
November 27 2016 10:57 GMT
#4495
How about Loda Dendi General EGM + Akke/Artstyle for the lol :D
Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 13:40:31
November 27 2016 12:44 GMT
#4496
I had a feeling that Alliance would do more at Dreamleague, but at the same time, I knew they hadn't really come into their own as a team. They're definitely not playing their best Dota. jonassomfan seems like a shadow of his former self in NiP. I definitely disagree with anyone who says they don't have the talent to do well as a team. Those are all big players. You might claim that Loda and jonassomfan have fallen off, while Handsken hasn't yet made his mark as position 4, but I'm not convinced that is the case.

I see that Alliance are making some drafts that remind us a lot of the old Alliance. Slow, methodical line-ups, where you grind to victory and outmanoeuvre your opponents throughout. That will be definitely to adjust to as a team when you don't have everyone playing to their exact roles. We saw how long it took the previous Alliance line-up to get their groove back and get into gear. For now, jonassomfan is likely the biggest problem, and I hope they can turn it around and use him as their main asset instead. Perhaps they cannot expect him to function like BullDog did, but instead, perhaps, they can play a bit into his more creative or flairful playstyle and make use of that instead.
I am not sure what to say
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 13:18:22
November 27 2016 13:12 GMT
#4497
Limmp is ok, so is EGM. The rest are not T1 players, especially Loda who should have retired long ago, unless he is happy playing at that level. It's a job after all and he is still making money so I can understand that, but forget about winning stuff with him as your carry.
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
November 27 2016 14:03 GMT
#4498
On November 27 2016 19:57 DucK- wrote:
How about Loda Dendi General EGM + Akke/Artstyle for the lol :D

El clasico every N[A]vi game :D what an unholy combination.
lowdice
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden306 Posts
November 27 2016 19:49 GMT
#4499
Fuckit. I need an Horde flair, I'm not sure I can take it any longer.


Putting Handsken on io or rubick... Naah, not going anywhere and fast.
You only have a little spark of madness, you mustn't lose it!
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
November 28 2016 06:36 GMT
#4500
On November 27 2016 19:57 DucK- wrote:
How about Loda Dendi General EGM + Akke/Artstyle for the lol :D


I'd cheer for them. forever.
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
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