EPTWe'll see how the team changes after some time to practice.
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spudde123
4814 Posts
We'll see how the team changes after some time to practice. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Usually player changes in teams don't end up happening right in the middle of a qual with some other guy flying in from a different region so this situation doesn't arise much. Ideally Universe could have arrived 1-2 weeks ago so he could play the quals from start to finish. Not sure when exactly they asked Universe or when he agreed to join. Presumably they at least asked quite some time ago already after he got booted from EG. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I kind of don't know how Ohaiyo didn't know himself given that the rumour was circulating strongly well in advance. You'd think he would have asked what was happening. I think it's very poor, but I see why the team did it. Had they been open, the alternatives were to play with someone who had no reason to try or to play with a jet lagged new player. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
@DucK- totally agree, is there no roster change rule for majors? | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
It's still an absolutely shitty thing to do, though. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Fun fact is that Fnatic moves up to 9 place in ranking from 13 because Uni has more points. | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
Greed trumps power of friendship | ||
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Chillander
219 Posts
On January 18 2018 04:41 Aznupdown wrote: At the end of the day, Dota 2 is a business and all teams need to strive for success in order to thrive. Yeah its a shitty things to do no doubt about that but it was necessary. Greed trumps power of friendship The reason why our world is such a dark and dangerous place Just need to clarify that I didn't mean you, personally. Just the general point of view, as many of us have, and is partly true, sadly | ||
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goody153
44184 Posts
statement from fnatic seems like this problems from the transfer could've been all avoided if valve released the information about the roster change earlier before all the qualifiers happened .. as i understand valve released the information about the roster change the same day as the qualifier for katowice started of course anybody with the right mind wouldn't tell a player they are about to remove who is about to play for them before the transaction for the other player transfer is officially confirmed. On January 18 2018 06:38 Chillander wrote: The reason why our world is such a dark and dangerous place Just need to clarify that I didn't mean you, personally. Just the general point of view, as many of us have, and is partly true, sadly Though i'm not fond of the move being a fan of the previous team composition(the excalibur replacement i'd understand he was clearly out of place from the team and the results prove that abed was an clear improvement but not ohayou) i think the replacement was for the TI points. Esports is however not some charity environment where nobility and all that shit is valued but rather results. Even if lets say it's miracle if he isn't as good as he is right now then he still likely to be replaced even if he was "trying his best" and would've been for a team in a long time. It's a competition after all and results actually matter | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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goody153
44184 Posts
From the recent games(after the two losses) Universe seems to be playing well with the team. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
Being in a disadvantage against Geek-fam the way Fnatic were but still winning the way they did to me is a glimpse of top-team attitude and style of play. Go boys! | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
It sucks that they couldn't make it to DAC, I was really hoping they would, but hopefully they keep improving It's also a shame I can no longer cheer for them on Reddit without being downvoted to hell, hopefully they'll forget about all the drama soon like they did with Puppey | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
For now it seems like Fnatic is in a pretty similar situation as they were with Ohaiyo. They'll probably beat TNC or Mineski in some quals and maybe even place well in some minors, but as of now it doesn't seem like they are on their way to become the clear #1 team in the region. I don't think it's just about drafting and calling. For example it feels to me that Fnatic has lost the warding battle in quite a few of their games, but I haven't watched all their games that closely so it may not be the correct impression. Also individually even Abed has had some pretty bad games at times. In today's last game against TNC the game ended with those few terrible fights (one of which started from Fnatic themselves smoking under TNC's ward and TNC knowing pretty much where they were going to be), but the game started far worse than it needed to with Abed giving away his good lane by moving past the tower and feeding both the courier and first blood. Not sure what exactly happened so that the creep wave ended up so deep to begin with. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On February 10 2018 02:50 spudde123 wrote: Who would you have recruited during the roster lock? The issue with "someone else should captain" statements is that generally no realistic alternative is offered. Established captains almost always have their own teams and you can't typically easily recruit one. They do have 343 as coach and he has at least some drafting experience, but EE seems to like playing with PLD so it seems like an unlikely change. I'd be curious to see if the situation would change at all if EE played 5. For now it seems like Fnatic is in a pretty similar situation as they were with Ohaiyo. They'll probably beat TNC or Mineski in some quals and maybe even place well in some minors, but as of now it doesn't seem like they are on their way to become the clear #1 team in the region. I don't think it's just about drafting and calling. For example it feels to me that Fnatic has lost the warding battle in quite a few of their games, but I haven't watched all their games that closely so it may not be the correct impression. Also individually even Abed has had some pretty bad games at times. In today's last game against TNC the game ended with those few terrible fights (one of which started from Fnatic themselves smoking under TNC's ward and TNC knowing pretty much where they were going to be), but the game started far worse than it needed to with Abed giving away his good lane by moving past the tower and feeding both the courier and first blood. Not sure what exactly happened so that the creep wave ended up so deep to begin with. There really aren't any good captains that needed a team, unfortunately., so nothing could have been done in that regards. I think EE could move to a 5 position like he played with No Tidehunter, but he probably wouldn't since he's so stubborn, and besides, that wouldn't happen until after TI due to the roster lock. And I agree on those games being lost not solely by EE, there are issues every member of the team (except maybe Universe) have had, due to like you said the warding and Abed making bad plays and feeding at critical moments Actually I just remembered that 1437 was kicked off TnC so he could have been picked up but EE would almost definitely not kick Pie for him | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I think the team is still fine. They're not going to win TI but they should at least make it there. | ||
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