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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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February 25 2018 21:15 GMT
#461
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the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
February 26 2018 02:49 GMT
#462
On February 26 2018 06:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Hopefully Fnatic can keep playing well, I think they'll get enough to qualify for TI at this rate


They certainly look a lot better. Looked lost when Universe first came over, now things are looking much better.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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February 26 2018 03:33 GMT
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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
February 26 2018 08:15 GMT
#464
I cannot stop thinking that if EE played the pos5 his teams would be much more successful.
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
February 27 2018 17:56 GMT
#465
who would they use as carry?
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
February 27 2018 23:02 GMT
#466
On February 26 2018 17:15 Racket wrote:
I cannot stop thinking that if EE played the pos5 his teams would be much more successful.

Probably not unless they get an actually like Ace or somebody not just a "carry" then he switch to 5 position and abuse their carry to the limits. I doubt having just another carry would work out.
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MasterBayShawn
Profile Joined November 2017
Philippines12 Posts
February 28 2018 03:21 GMT
#467
On February 28 2018 08:02 goody153 wrote:
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On February 26 2018 17:15 Racket wrote:
I cannot stop thinking that if EE played the pos5 his teams would be much more successful.

Probably not unless they get an actually like Ace or somebody not just a "carry" then he switch to 5 position and abuse their carry to the limits. I doubt having just another carry would work out.


There are quite a handful of good carries in SEA. Dreamocel, Gabbi, Skemberlu just to name a few. Though I still prefer for this team to stick around until TI. It's not like EE can magically become a better pos5 than PLD.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
February 28 2018 07:31 GMT
#468
I believe he would be a better captain from pos5. Who would take the carry pos I don't know.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
March 01 2018 17:14 GMT
#469


i don't think i've ever actually seen a universe interview and a long one even

(don't worry about the filipino introduction .. the questions and answers are all english)
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 21 2018 21:25 GMT
#470
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VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
March 22 2018 19:28 GMT
#471
Well, in game 3 vs Liquid:
Solo black hole kuro, get destroyed afterward. by SK's epicenter+ LS bomb.
Solo back hole kuro again, get destroyed afterward by sk's epicenter+ LS bomb.

it was pretty much the same fight, MC destroyed Universe during black hole while SK+LS destroyed Ursa+Gyro as soon as BKB end.

Doing it one time it is fine, but losing a team-fight twice in the same way........
They need to level-up their decision making ASAP.
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
March 22 2018 20:09 GMT
#472
You forgot the mention the BM pick of an SS core. Seriously?
I said hiii
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
March 22 2018 22:25 GMT
#473
On March 23 2018 05:09 Aznupdown wrote:
You forgot the mention the BM pick of an SS core. Seriously?


In the past Shadow shaman was picked as 2, a surprise pick during the 4 protect 1 era, due to his pushing power, the team start grouping up as 4 and push tower as soon as he hit level 6, while the hard carries will use the space created and the gold from tower (same for the rest) to have a superior net-worth over his counter part for the high-ground push,sometimes it worked, other times it failed like today.

Also pocket strat, out of the meta pick are common thing in DOTA.
Deleted User 173346
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March 22 2018 22:35 GMT
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 10:36:26
March 23 2018 10:25 GMT
#475
I didn't really follow what the point of the SS pick was. It's not like their other heroes were any good at pushing, so it wasn't really a feasible pushing strat. Also PL was already decently countered by Sand King and Timbersaw so Fnatic needed a last pick that could really have a big impact. Liquid also had overwhelming amounts of teamfight so pushing with SS was always going to be hard. EE was spamming SS in pubs a bit so I guess the team had some ideas for using it as a core but in that specific game it seemed really weird.

Concerning the last game, I don't think they really had any other choices in many fights than to solo black hole someone and blow them up. In a bunch of the fights Liquid had an aegis advantage, cheeses, refresher shard on SK, etc. Fights would have been much easier without those. Not sure if the early game needed to go as well as it did for Liquid. Also as far as I recall after the first base defence there seemed to be a time where Fnatic could just take control of the game but then they had some fights where Ursa and Enigma didn't yet have their BKBs and Liquid managed to narrowly win, kill Abed to slow him down and get the 2nd aegis. If Fnatic managed to delay at that point just a bit to get the BKBs and contest the rosh, game could have been far easier. Also in the later fights there were some really close moments like Universe barely missing a 2 man BH and only getting one, which then led to Fnatic clumping up to kill the Naix (who would have died earlier had the BH hit him) and GH getting a massive combo off.
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
March 23 2018 14:51 GMT
#476
On March 23 2018 07:35 plasmidghost wrote:
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On March 23 2018 05:09 Aznupdown wrote:
You forgot the mention the BM pick of an SS core. Seriously?

No way was that more BM than what Liquid pulled vs Fnatic at ESL



I agree it was not as BM as what liquid did at ESL, but liquid got punished for it. SS core is far from being meta unless you are playing 2k mmr games.
I said hiii
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 16:57:10
March 24 2018 16:56 GMT
#477
Stellar performance by Abed and DJ in game 3 vs Newbee.

Time to see if they can beat Liquid-1.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-25 08:01:59
March 25 2018 03:13 GMT
#478
Ok at least the team will get a fairly decent result beating newbee and liquid(with a standin) in the process but that's a big jump to their improvement. If that rapier play from navi didn't happen they probably had a good chance beating EG or VG.J last tournament

Even with the improvements i'd say they still have alot of room to grow. They have great cohesion now but sometimes they do this spit decision thing

Now the question is that are we gonna get another EE 2nd place meme or beat secret.
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bigbadchen
Profile Joined July 2017
53 Posts
March 25 2018 12:18 GMT
#479
DJ and universe are playing out of their mind.
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
March 26 2018 14:03 GMT
#480
EE-2nd place meme confirmed. They played well but got destroyed in finals
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