and ofc an ee team somehow gets 2nd place .. again (was hoping for a win but oh well)

well hopefully the team just gets better after this or at least maintains their strength

spudde123

4814 Posts

December 18 2017 15:42 GMT

#402

Well this time it was pretty clearcut, VP was definitely the best team at the event. Abed has brought a new side to the team, they now seem pretty confident in his ability to perform if they last pick his hero. But I don't think their approach to the game seemed that solid still. At Dreamleague and the quals before that I think they tried running Ohaiyo on more playmaking heroes. Now they insisted on putting him on a hero that just sits in lane and farms up, whereas EE often had a hard lane and ended up running around trying to do things. The style is fine on occasion but it's not great if you end up being predictable. Hopefully they manage to become a bit more well rounded style wise in the coming months. Ofc they got to the finals but there is still a way to go if they want to regularly compete for top spots against the very best teams.

HighCaliburrr

10 Posts

January 04 2018 15:43 GMT

#403

Any idea what Excaliburs in game settings and mouse/dpi are?

goody153

44118 Posts

January 04 2018 18:47 GMT

#404

Abed interview

https://www.monsterenergy.com/news/coming-back-to-sea

apparently he didn't adapt to anything and the team was doing all the adapting . Fnatic is literally playing 4p1

maze.

Germany1392 Posts

January 12 2018 17:54 GMT

#405

Rumour going around that Ohaiyo is getting replaced by Universe. Strange timing as fnatic managed to qualify to a major recently.

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

January 12 2018 17:55 GMT

#406

There's good evidence that Universe is replacing Ohaiyo. Either that or pros are trolling.

I guess the team isn't happy with fighting to be the second best SEA team, so I get it. Whether it'll be good or not, the sort of mentality that wants to win tournaments says a gamble is better than what's safe here.

spudde123

4814 Posts

January 12 2018 18:32 GMT

#407

If it is true I don't think the timing is that weird, they surely made the decision before these quals if Universe is in SEA already, and it's the last roster lock period before TI. Also them winning the qual is hardly something new and more promising, they showed they can compete with TNC (and Mineski) already in the first quals after Abed joined and they even took 2nd at the Summit.

Always hard to say what the team dynamic is exactly and what would change. In recent times Ohaiyo has played pretty farmy heroes that just sit in lane and push it out a lot of the time. Also another change is that they've started to swap PLD's and DJ's positions a bit depending on heroes, with PLD playing some Clockwerk and Slardar for example when DJ has his Shaman or Rubick.

Funnily enough Universe joining would mean the team has 3/5 of the infamous post-Shanghai Secret team. At least this time they have to play constant competitive games for practice as they aren't riding the invite train to events

MetalMercury

United States1161 Posts

January 12 2018 18:54 GMT

#408

Stupid decision if it turns out to be true.

This was Ohaiyo's team; they will have no fans in SEA anymore. The difference between Universe and Ohaiyo isn't large.

goody153

44118 Posts

January 12 2018 18:58 GMT

#409

If this turns out true it would be really disappointing. I don't even believe that universe fits that well(or is an upgrade at all after his performance for the past year has been) and they were on the way to becoming better and better.

I personally think it isn't an upgrade if universe joins and ohayou leaves. It's just another adjusting period

spudde123

4814 Posts

January 12 2018 19:13 GMT

#410

Yea I also doubt it would bring a significant improvement. But hard to say about the dynamic inside the team.

Also we'll have to see what even happens. A bit strange that all sorts of people are suddenly talking about it but none of the players in the team are saying anything. I believe they are scheduled to play Bucharest major quals the day after tomorrow

goody153

44118 Posts

January 12 2018 19:18 GMT

#411

It's much more suspicious since nobody from the team ever mentioned it about it but then again it's like 2-4 am right now in SEA so they might be asleep

I hope it's just nothing but trolling (unlikely). Shame i really like this team.

babysimba

10466 Posts

January 12 2018 21:51 GMT

#412

It's a joke EE thinks Universe will do better than Ohaiyo in terms of team synergy.

Ohaiyo is versatile enough but EE's shit drafting skills can't make use of it. EE always have a narrow vision of how his team should be playing. Once he thinks he figures out the optimal playing style of his teammates, his drafting style will never ever deviate from it. Right now he's in this phase of thinking that his offlaner usually has higher farm priority, might as well bring Universe over since he plays that playstyle better lol.

It is the same reason why all his past teams excelled when the patch was right for them, and fucking died the moment a new patch went against them.

goody153

44118 Posts

January 12 2018 23:44 GMT

#413

I just want this to be a big meme. This wasn't like the abed vs excalibur change since it was clearly an upgrade for the team, i bet this isn't gonna change shit and it's even gonna get worse for the team.

Papercappu

Canada2210 Posts

January 13 2018 05:16 GMT

#414

the team's overall strength probably wont change that much but ohaiyo is a shotcaller,they're losing their team's 2nd opinions here. that will probably affected their playstyle alot

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

January 13 2018 14:00 GMT

#415

Ohaiyo confirmed gone. Shame. But if Fnatic were ever to win a LAN they needed to gamble, so we shall see. Every player on the team is very high skilled but I don't know about the stability.

Ah well, excited to support Universe!

VvvV1251

Algeria142 Posts

January 13 2018 14:10 GMT

#416

As long as EE is a shot-caller, team drafter, i don't see Fnatic (or any other team) win anything major. I'm not bashing on EE, because -in my opinion- he lack the necessary qualities to be a leader. whereas when the game hit the late game. it's total chaos.

Anyone remember the "no Tp", the 30K gold advantage lost game ?

spudde123

4814 Posts

January 13 2018 14:43 GMT

#417

Quite a few of the super baffling late game throws happened in that one specific c9 lineup after Misery and n0tail had joined. Not sure what was going wrong with that team, but for the most part I think the late game meme is a bit oversold. It's sort of telling that it's games from 3 years ago that are referenced as examples. Of course there's been late game losses after that with all the games played but I don't think it has jumped out in the same way at all and is not the primary reason for his teams not winning events or something.

I think the bigger obstacle is something like what babysimba said above. EE is not consistently on the same level as a drafter as the very best. Sometimes he finds a specific style that works really well, leading to good tournament runs, but it's rarely well rounded enough to beat the best teams consistently. But idk about "lacks the necessary qualities to be a leader". EE has captained his teams to a lot of good placings over the years, and his team has always been good enough to qualify to a lot of events and to make an occasional deep run. He just hasn't been on the same level as the very best. Hard to see that changing at this point but we'll see I suppose.

In general the problem with criticizing captains is that it often isn't realistic to find a replacement that is better. Pretty sure the Fnatic players would boot EE if Kuro said that he wants to join the team, but these sorts of captains are already leading their own teams. Hence if you want to look for a change, it's almost always some other player.

Kelefei2016

Papua New Guinea504 Posts

January 13 2018 18:30 GMT

#418

On January 13 2018 03:54 MetalMercury wrote:
Stupid decision if it turns out to be true.

This was Ohaiyo's team; they will have no fans in SEA anymore. The difference between Universe and Ohaiyo isn't large.

True, SEA Fnatic is Ohaiyo's team. SEA Fnatic will loss more of the ground fans. And most of us think replacing Ohaiyo with Universe "upgraded" Fnatic from 3rd SEA to possible 1st SEA (in my opinion, Fnatic already is second after Mineski, Fnatic already beat TNC), but instead of 3-tight-team, kicking out Ohaiyo will render Ohaiyo forming another strong team, it means beside Mineski and TNC, Fnatic will need to face another "Ohaiyo based" team.

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

January 14 2018 11:32 GMT

#419

These things change, but last I heard Envy isn't the primary drafter. With the changes allowing coaches to draft, Adam was brought in to shoulder a lot of the burden. You can see it in how they draft - Envy used to get very focused on particular heroes, and to shun quite a few meta picks such that his teams often had drafts that could only come from that team. Now, they have drafts you could expect from any team. I suspect having the driving force of the draft be more conventional, yet with input from outside the box, is ideal. So I don't think Fnatic has an issue with Envy as drafter, because (AFAIK) he's not the primary drafter. At any rate, their drafts seem fine to me.

Fundamentally, Fnatic are a good team made up of good players. I really don't see any glaring flaws that need to be fixed. Not every team can be the best in the world.