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shad2810
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Caesarion
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Please get better at the late game. Thank you. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On May 12 2014 08:33 Caesarion wrote: Dear Titan, Please get better at the late game. Thank you. Can't do that playing against SEA teams.  | ||
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Bibbit
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Caesarion
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They'll be in China for the WPC playoffs, that should help them out. I'm not even asking for epic comebacks, just close out the games where they have a significant advantage. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On May 13 2014 09:10 Caesarion wrote: They'll be in China for the WPC playoffs, that should help them out. I'm not even asking for epic comebacks, just close out the games where they have a significant advantage. We ought to see another spike in performance if they have a decent run. Yamateh claimed he learned a lot from the Chinese during the group stage and it definitely showed when Titan returned. They went from trading series with Scythe/Arrow/Mineski to flat-out crushing them. | ||
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rebdomine
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On May 13 2014 11:12 CosmicSpiral wrote: I hope kyxy gets more recognition at TI4. I feel he's perhaps the most underrated mid/carry in the world. Him and Yamateh allow Titan to run any strategy they want with their immense hero pool. People remember him more for the goofy moments (aegis deny, dropping manta for gem) rather than his brilliant moments which is doing him a disservice. I actually think he's a really good player although he does have a tendency to do weird things under pressure. | ||
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Bibbit
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On May 13 2014 11:15 rebdomine wrote: People remember him more for the goofy moments (aegis deny, dropping manta for gem) rather than his brilliant moments which is doing him a disservice. I actually think he's a really good player although he does have a tendency to do weird things under pressure. Even the game with the aegis deny he played a pretty bonkers magnus. But he'll forever be known as the aegis deny guy ! | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On May 13 2014 11:15 rebdomine wrote: People remember him more for the goofy moments (aegis deny, dropping manta for gem) rather than his brilliant moments which is doing him a disservice. I actually think he's a really good player although he does have a tendency to do weird things under pressure. The only questionable thing I find about him are his item builds. Things like straight Vanguard on Doom...errr, I dunno man. Otherwise he ought to master some of the harder carries. Titan seems to lack experience playing around the likes of Spectre, Void, etc. Yamateh has Tiny on lock though. On May 13 2014 11:28 Bibbit wrote: Even the game with the aegis deny he played a pretty bonkers magnus. But he'll forever be known as the aegis deny guy ! He was on Windrunner. You're thinking of game 3 versus DK. | ||
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rebdomine
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On May 13 2014 11:28 Bibbit wrote: Even the game with the aegis deny he played a pretty bonkers magnus. But he'll forever be known as the aegis deny guy ! He was on Windrunner that game no? On May 13 2014 11:29 CosmicSpiral wrote: The only questionable thing I find about him are his item builds. Things like straight Vanguard on Doom...errr, I dunno man. Otherwise he ought to master some of the harder carries. Titan seems to lack experience playing around the likes of Spectre, Void, etc. Yamateh has Tiny on lock though. He does seem to get weird items all the time. I remember him going Vanguard on Ember Spirit as well. | ||
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Caesarion
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Fwizzz
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Thezzphai
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On May 13 2014 11:12 CosmicSpiral wrote: I hope kyxy gets more recognition at TI4. I feel he's perhaps the most underrated mid/carry in the world. Him and Yamateh allow Titan to run any strategy they want with their immense hero pool while being competent - great on all of them. kyxy is incredible in 1v1 lanes as well, I feel he's really close to the best in terms of mechanics. Yamateh can be great as well but sometimes he performs inexplicably badly in lane. On May 13 2014 19:45 Fwizzz wrote: I wish they bring back ohaiyo tinker. it was unbelievable how good he is on tinker. Yes please! Or at least kyxy Tinker since it might be too much role swapping otherwise, kyxy's Tinker was pretty good as well | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On May 14 2014 01:55 Thezzphai wrote: kyxy is incredible in 1v1 lanes as well, I feel he's really close to the best in terms of mechanics. Yamateh can be great as well but sometimes he performs inexplicably badly in lane. Yes please! Or at least kyxy Tinker since it might be too much role swapping otherwise, kyxy's Tinker was pretty good as well kyxy's Lone Druid is legit too. I got some of my LD habits from watching over his shoulder when I saw Orange play at a LAN. | ||
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
On May 14 2014 01:55 Thezzphai wrote: kyxy is incredible in 1v1 lanes as well, I feel he's really close to the best in terms of mechanics. Yamateh can be great as well but sometimes he performs inexplicably badly in lane. Yes please! Or at least kyxy Tinker since it might be too much role swapping otherwise, kyxy's Tinker was pretty good as well JDL , Vs MITh TItan did draft out tinker now ! | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
EDIT; His Tinker needs work lol. Call up RTZ son! | ||
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Caesarion
Australia8332 Posts
Hope they do well in the games today, just for seeding but Titan does well with momentum. | ||
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Belisarius
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He's pretty average at using that momentum, though. | ||
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rebdomine
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
played 3 BO1 , with 1 oni 1 won , n 2 bo3 which most probably will seem their defeat (0-1 down to LGD now in ESL and 2mo vs DK ) so it is really d gap of china tie1 n titan far .... titan cant really make impact ? sigh .... | ||
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Monv18hao
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A bit on the pricey side tho.... | ||
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bzxj
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 03 2014 23:11 bzxj wrote: what wrong ... no convince play /performance at all from titan 0-2 to invasion , u r d 1 suppose outclass all d SEA team, u r d only 1 direct invited team in SEA; dun said hide strat, testing strat n so on, i know it is NET drafting , but d play is juz too much, a lot o avoidable silly mistake did ... please post in better english | ||
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Tulanwarrior
Malaysia219 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
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tauon
Australia1278 Posts
On June 04 2014 01:50 CosmicSpiral wrote: So how did they lose to Invasion again? @_@ I remember they were losing the odd game to MUFC in the lead up to TI3. Have faith. | ||
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opterown
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
solid decision making. mushi struggled with this last year and eventually succeeded in becoming the guy, but yamateh isnt the same player mentally SEA level drafting. SEA has some good ideas for strats but ultimately the region often has some of the most mindless drafts now that they're inexperienced internationally | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On June 07 2014 09:55 rabidch wrote: titan has 2 big problems solid decision making. mushi struggled with this last year and eventually succeeded in becoming the guy, but yamateh isnt the same player mentally SEA level drafting. SEA has some good ideas for strats but ultimately the region often has some of the most mindless drafts now that they're inexperienced internationally Unfortunately these are problems emblematic of the SEA scene in general. Titan can only take the next step by scrimming hard with the Chinese teams. They will punish those errors hard enough to force Titan to adjust. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 08 2014 14:03 CosmicSpiral wrote: Unfortunately these are problems emblematic of the SEA scene in general. Titan can only take the next step by scrimming hard with the Chinese teams. They will punish those errors hard enough to force Titan to adjust. they cant scrim hard, unless they bootcamp in china. many chinese teams do not bother scrimming SEA anymore, and the perfect world server is very hard to play on from SEA | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On June 08 2014 16:14 rabidch wrote: they cant scrim hard, unless they bootcamp in china. many chinese teams do not bother scrimming SEA anymore, and the perfect world server is very hard to play on from SEA *shrug* That's a shame. | ||
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
n also look like Titan had forfeit the RGN MSI Beat it Malaysia Qualifier~~ kinda sad , but well MSI beat it is on October anyway , hu will know what gonna Happened after TI4 gl ~~ (2-0 lead now , seem another title will be grabbed ) | ||
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
all r saying titan will be eliminated in TI 1st round,will it ,hu know .... haiz less Yamathrow plz , less kyxy deny the victory plz , haiz haiz haiz , the dying SEA scene hurt ... | ||
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riptide
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opterown
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bzxj
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![[image loading]](https://scontent-b-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10410572_599429096842089_5762840550029205229_n.jpg) good luck ;all the best | ||
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riptide
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bzxj
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The Post interview after the [A] match well , 2-2 in first day consider ok ,acceptable but yet still a lot to go , aiming top 8 finish is the realistic target , hope they can make it | ||
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bzxj
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CosmicSpiral
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
On July 11 2014 03:16 CosmicSpiral wrote: Praying for a good draft against Na'Vi. They did, well execution as well An other surprise ! | ||
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Caesarion
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CosmicSpiral
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On July 11 2014 06:12 Caesarion wrote: YMT has been on form excepting that silly Lion game. Titan's execution also amazing. Guess they really know how to prepare for TI. I think they should've beaten Vici if their draft could reasonably deal with Sylar's Morphling. | ||
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Caesarion
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DK mouz Na'Vi.US LGD Liquid 3-2 will be a solid result, and 4-1 is definitely within reach. | ||
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
On July 12 2014 00:21 Caesarion wrote: 5 games for Titan today: DK mouz Na'Vi.US LGD Liquid 3-2 will be a solid result, and 4-1 is definitely within reach. Why not 5-0 :D just Kidding, will satisfy enough with 4-1, 3-2 acceptable , but seeing defeated the biggest threat DK already , i think can dream high once a while for 5-0 maybe ,lolx Again , they make me feel proud | ||
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bzxj
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Haiz ... games go on | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On July 12 2014 22:28 DucK- wrote: Good thing is that yamateh is stepping up. He was the weak link before this tournament. I've been impressed with how instrumental he's been in some of their wins. But maybe he should leave the drafting to Xtinct lol. No more Io/Treant into no damage lineup please. | ||
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Belisarius
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We beat: DK, Na'Vi, EG, NB, C9 We lost to: Nar'Vi, LGD, mouz, Liquid I am so confused. At least we made it through, I guess. | ||
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bzxj
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On July 13 2014 02:15 CosmicSpiral wrote: I've been impressed with how instrumental he's been in some of their wins. But maybe he should leave the drafting to Xtinct lol. No more Io/Treant into no damage lineup please. if u follow the formation of Titan , Ymt is definitely d better drafter ; X did draft for Titan 1.0 (Orange quad + Ice ), they fail so badly ,struggle so much , even cant conquer the SEA scene consider with this SEA all star line up they get Meacle later for stand-in in next 2 China tournament (G-league & ECL), they straight let Meracle draft, Winter also saying Xtinct feel cant adapt to later meta , that y he let Meracle draft n let Meracle play him game Getting Ymt in ACG standin , also is let Ymt draft , this show how respect they r Made it simple , Orange quad no juz nid 1 versatile mid laner /carry to replace Mushi , they also nid some1 who had the leading potential to guide them , from what SEA scene offered , Ymt no doubt is the best choice Some draft may seem no work in paper, maybe looked weird,cocky , but this is their choice; again, this TI had shown that is not leading/best Meta in current 6.81 version , for me , trust ownself ,play they own game is the most important 1 so juz Trust them, pray for them and watch the game; later on expect a good new perhaps Pray for them ; GL | ||
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
if and only if they can take 1 more games in day3, they will 9-6 n confirmed to secure 1 spot in Key Arena (top 8 ady ) Sad ..... GL | ||
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bzxj
Malaysia21 Posts
On July 13 2014 08:39 Belisarius wrote: Let me get this straight. We beat: DK, Na'Vi, EG, NB, C9 We lost to: Nar'Vi, LGD, mouz, Liquid I am so confused. At least we made it through, I guess. We dint defeated EG C9 8win 7 lose 1st day Vs Emp, WON Vs [A],WON Vs C9,Lose Vs VG.Lose 2nd day Vs NB,WON Vs NV,Won, Vs AG,Won Vs IG,lose Vs EG,loes 3rd & 4th day Vs DK,Won Vs Mouz,lose Vs NAR,WON Vs LGD,lose Vs TL,lose Vs Fn, WOn | ||
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Belisarius
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Bracket will be... interesting. I think we can beat NB, but we'll have to bring it. NB won't want to go out this early. | ||
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bzxj
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sad ...... a bit unfortunately but in fact it is outplayed by Newbee game3 as well , and indeed overall china team in theory is ahead from Titan SAD... Now my remaining hope for this TI will be rooting for DK Mushi ,hope he & his team can make it | ||
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fixed_point
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On July 30 2014 18:52 DucK- wrote: Replace ymt with ddz? Or they could stick with the same 5 but they need to compete in tougher tournaments. If they are really serious about getting better, they should go to China to train, at least in the months leading up to the next TI. This is of course assuming they can get their visas sorted out and if Titan is willing to provide the financial investment. | ||
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On September 13 2014 01:11 fixed_point wrote: Now I think Net might be gone too I hope not. That would be terrible. :/ | ||
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evanthebouncy!
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like i feel mushi is best when the team works with him, the passive way of dota from DK doesn't suit him. Mushi wants aggression of a true SEA team | ||
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fixed_point
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6rInUro.jpg) Taken from Titan's manager facebook. Guess he just went for holiday for a week or so (there was the mid autumn festival...) | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
Let's go, boys. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
In Titan (or ex-Orange), they can pretty much pick any core hero they want. That's because kyxy can comfortably play the mid role as well as any of these micro intensive heroes, while Mushi can play carry heroes well. Their hero pool complements one another, and it offers Titan huge flexibility in the drafts. So I guess the only problem with Titan is that they need to actually start drafting right. As much as I like net, their supports are not as good compared to the top teams. Their decision making is also not the greatest. I do look forward to seeing them perform again. | ||
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riptide
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On September 14 2014 20:51 fixed_point wrote: A wild net appears! Taken from Titan's manager facebook. Guess he just went for holiday for a week or so (there was the mid autumn festival...) I can't even begin to describe how happy this picture makes me. | ||
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Kirsed
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On October 05 2014 11:48 Sassback wrote: So, Is this thread going to be renamed Team Malayasia Discussion. Please tell me we don't have to start a new thread! We Team Malaysia now. Also Mushi did an interview check it out here. | ||
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Mushi: Titan has offered good pay for the team, but I don’t think we are good enough to take it. So I’d rather achieve something first before we get a good sponsorship. Mushi is a legend. | ||
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Kirsed
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Pretty sick to see Mushi's parents supporting him. | ||
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Sassback
United States718 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:04 Mensol wrote: Q: Why didn’t you just join Titan? Why take your four friends and make a new team? Mushi: Titan has offered good pay for the team, but I don’t think we are good enough to take it. So I’d rather achieve something first before we get a good sponsorship. Mushi is a legend. Not to call Mushi a liar, but this answer seems dubious at best. And two questions later they ask him about Orange E-Sports, and he responds by saying they are a great organization and he hopes to work with them again. So, I'm willing to bet that they are holding out to get sponsored by Orange again. | ||
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Churrass
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On November 05 2014 20:16 RandyL wrote: they could have won too, if KYXY did not DENY AEGIS it would be an easy 3-0 for alliance in the finals | ||
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caiovigg
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wat | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
The dream is dead. ;_; | ||
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Monv18hao
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so sad now D= | ||
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rabidch
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I feel bad for Rave because it looks like they're going to have to go through the qualifiers against MVP to get to TI5. | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
Team Malaysia on the other hand is going to Starladder, Redbull Battlegrounds, ESL Frankfurt and I League. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
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On April 21 2015 21:57 rabidch wrote: Well this team is perhaps the most dominant, yet invisible, team I've seen in a long time. Mushi is way more impactful as a support than mid and KecikImba is living up to his reputation, having long waited for a team that didn't need to be carried every single game. I feel bad for Rave because it looks like they're going to have to go through the qualifiers against MVP to get to TI5. It's such a weird situation. Between the way the SEA region is often like an isolated island in Dota, and the fact that the team has changed in its official status so much, it's easy to let them slip by. I mean, at places like GosuGamers they are listed as MY (ex-EHOME.my). The name really rolls of the tongue, doesn't it? However, they've so completely dominated the SEA region thus far that they are now set up to face a lot of non-SEA teams in main events, and that will be the truly interesting moment, to see if they are more than a big fish in a small pond. But agree that putting Mushi on support was a really good idea. I've often said that SEA is overly dependent on hotshot mid type players, leaving the support game anemic. It might be just what is needed to put the region's most famous player on support instead. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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On April 21 2015 23:34 lphwo wrote: Yeah Rave did well in DAC but fell off after that. Team Malaysia on the other hand is going to Starladder, Redbull Battlegrounds, ESL Frankfurt and I League. Yeah, but how many of those qualifiers did Rave actually play in? Just ESL and i-League, I think. And Rave was going to MLG Columbus until they had Visa ssues, and is going to The Summit. | ||
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goody153
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On April 22 2015 17:01 Nagamundo wrote: Only watched a few games of MY and it seems ES is the go-to hero for Mushi support. How does he perform with other heroes? And how is his warding/rotations etc? his disruptor is pretty good .. outside that yeah he seems to be a fine support more of a playmaking support | ||
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On April 22 2015 16:18 We Are Here wrote: Was Malaysia in the MLG or summit qualifiers? I don't remember seeing them They were not, they were only formed after those tournaments actually started team is really good at least results-wise | ||
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On April 23 2015 02:42 Elyvilon wrote: Kecik Imba looks like he's like 14 Well, he's aptly named. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
On April 22 2015 17:55 goody153 wrote: his disruptor is pretty good .. outside that yeah he seems to be a fine support more of a playmaking support Not to forget his lion. | ||
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We Are Here
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On April 22 2015 22:17 Elyvilon wrote: They were not, they were only formed after those tournaments actually started team is really good at least results-wise Fair enough. Was just wondering if Rave had beat them there, would've made things more interesting. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
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On April 25 2015 01:27 Evander Berry Wall wrote:They'd have to flame out and just screw up everything from this point on, I think, to justify a snub by Valve. Well, they might be on their way to doing that, after all. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 26 2015 03:16 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Well, they might be on their way to doing that, after all. honestly they've made so many LANs they would have to lose a lot. in the end they lost SL to bad and stale drafting. exactly the same problem that mushi's drafts for DK had | ||
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Sassback
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Poll: Malaysia Vs Tinker games worth watching? Yes (4) No (3) 7 total votes Your vote: Malaysia Vs Tinker games worth watching? | ||
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hunter_x
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On May 07 2015 18:10 We Are Here wrote: Congrats, they are clearly the best team in SEA. Sad for RAVE though. Clearly the best Team? Where are the results to back that up? They only have bigger names... | ||
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On May 07 2015 18:19 hunter_x wrote: Clearly the best Team? Where are the results to back that up? They only have bigger names... Well they won just about every single online qualifier since they formed and recently 2-0ed Rave. There's not a lot going on in the SEA scene but if you had to pick a best performing team in the past 2 to 3 months it's TM. | ||
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goody153
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but they are the best SEA has to offer so i guess valve was right on inviting them. | ||
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ActStyle
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in contrary, Rave is a Great team also. but they lack something that MY has. probably experience or something. and that something is the thing that makes MY better than RAVE. | ||
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Omigawa
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goody153
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On May 20 2015 11:14 Omigawa wrote: Hey guys, haven't had much time to follow the scene recently and was just wondering what happened to Mushi mid? He plays 5 now? When/why did that happen? I'd say Kecik_Imba is as good or a better mid than Mushi. Also it's probably the most flexible setup for them since Mushi probably in a better position to look over the team as a support It's a waste of talent to put Kecik on a position he is not known to excel at while mushi can definitely adapt. | ||
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Siantlark
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On May 20 2015 11:14 Omigawa wrote: Hey guys, haven't had much time to follow the scene recently and was just wondering what happened to Mushi mid? He plays 5 now? When/why did that happen? Mushi is back on mid now actually. | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
he is ? woah who's playing support now ? | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
apparently kecik imba | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
I don't think this was a good move. Even in spite of their struggles, I thought the two players were doing quite well in their previous roles, and that changing this will not address anything that actually caused them problems. | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:43 Evander Berry Wall wrote: I don't think this was a good move. Even in spite of their struggles, I thought the two players were doing quite well in their previous roles, and that changing this will not address anything that actually caused them problems. I would normally agree, but TS3 showed us Chen and Enchantress are pretty important in the current meta, and Johnny or Mushi can't play it well (according to Mushi he doesn't play micro intensive hero) So they decided to swap Mushi with Kecik. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 22 2015 15:56 lphwo wrote: I would normally agree, but TS3 showed us Chen and Enchantress are pretty important in the current meta, and Johnny or Mushi can't play it well (according to Mushi he doesn't play micro intensive hero) So they decided to swap Mushi with Kecik. does kecik even play those heroes well? though johnny is a limited factor for this team. | ||
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shouldbeworking
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lphwo
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On May 22 2015 16:42 rabidch wrote: does kecik even play those heroes well? though johnny is a limited factor for this team. During the interview with the iLeague host Mushi basically said that they tried switching and found out Kecik's support play was "acceptable" and "in terms of micro is better than me" so that's why they decided to swap roles. | ||
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rabidch
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On May 23 2015 13:13 DucK- wrote: Johnny plays Chen/enchant since arrow days... not well enough, really. i dont think he studies other players enough | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
On May 23 2015 13:13 DucK- wrote: Johnny plays Chen/enchant since arrow days... He did play those heroes, but whether he plays them well enough at a TI level is an unknown... | ||
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dbssaber
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shad2810
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On June 05 2015 12:37 dbssaber wrote: Apparently we are all Fnatic fans now? I am now, that's for sure. Also edited the OP page | ||
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Sn0_Man
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tehh4ck3r
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On June 06 2015 02:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Fnatic flair has been re-enabled for those fans who want it ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> that posts gonna be real wierd when ur flair isnt fnatic anymore | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
I feel it's a time to change my allegiance. in Malaysia we believe!!! | ||
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bluzi
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On June 07 2015 01:54 evanthebouncy! wrote: omg... this is such an awesome team right now. so many, fucking the most manly team on the scene I think!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL43k2MFWuM I feel it's a time to change my allegiance. in Malaysia we believe!!! Actually amazing stuff there , so much going on | ||
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goody153
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dbssaber
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shouldbeworking
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shad2810
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(malay + english)also i'm back from the hospital, got an operation so i miss alot of stuff | ||
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rabidch
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DucK-
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On June 23 2015 23:34 Elurie wrote: Who is Jisira, and why is he so privileged? Give information please. | ||
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Jisira
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I'm in one way or another involved in their bootcamp. More info after press release though. What I can say is that they are in Sweden as is shown in the tweet below from Patrik 'cArn' Sättermon and that they are according to my deductive ability well! | ||
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Jisira
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What I edited away further up this page is the fact that I work at the place that they are bootcamping. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/hbcHk2M.jpg) | ||
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fixed_point
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shad2810
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On July 26 2015 04:03 goody153 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38-GgamAus seems like they been enjoying their time in the bootcamp also back from my injury so i can get to see some doto just intime for some doto goodluck to fnatic homeboys doing proud | ||
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dbssaber
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On August 24 2015 23:00 rabidch wrote: pretty obvious now that black is joining them. im not really sure why he chose that team, besides the easy region? I actually see a synergy of personalities between him and Mushi. Mushi is a task master but Black can shrug off overbearing personalities. Black can be dated sometimes with his play but he is very reliable in his laning. Mushi understands how Black thinks and can fine tune him. Both are very hardworking individuals regardless of the criticism levied at Black's stubbornness. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 25 2015 00:30 mutantmagnet wrote: I actually see a synergy of personalities between him and Mushi. Mushi is a task master but Black can shrug off overbearing personalities. Black can be dated sometimes with his play but he is very reliable in his laning. Mushi understands how Black thinks and can fine tune him. Both are very hardworking individuals regardless of the criticism levied at Black's stubbornness. makes sense, but i really hope mushi doesnt take a giant crap on his teammates again. | ||
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shad2810
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WakaDoDo
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Elyvilon
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Sn0_Man
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Assuming Chrissy only speaks pinoy/english they are basically stuck with english right? | ||
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LightTemplar
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wxyLkz
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icystorage
Jollibee19346 Posts
On August 27 2015 01:19 Sn0_Man wrote: wonder if he's learning any new languages this time around :O Assuming Chrissy only speaks pinoy/english they are basically stuck with english right? it's called tagalog | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
I really really really hope Mushi will be patient this time and not get fedup with the midlaner/carry and just stick to supporting with Net, permanently. | ||
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wxyLkz
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On August 27 2015 20:55 lphwo wrote: That photoshop job... I really really really hope Mushi will be patient this time and not get fedup with the midlaner/carry and just stick to supporting with Net, permanently. chrissy can support if needed, back in rave he played IO so they are flexible | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
On August 27 2015 21:15 wxyLkz wrote: chrissy can support if needed, back in rave he played IO so they are flexible Personally looking at how Fnatic played in TI5 one of the big take away is that dual supports need to be on point all the time. Swapping between the mid and carry is fine, but the best support players normally come in duos. | ||
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wxyLkz
210 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:11 lphwo wrote: Personally looking at how Fnatic played in TI5 one of the big take away is that dual supports need to be on point all the time. Swapping between the mid and carry is fine, but the best support players normally come in duos. I get you're point but its a team and you need to play with what is asked of you. about the synergy between them give them time but hoping chrissy would be a stable mid for them | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
Mushi is just too good at mid to let him play support, and if Chrissy can play offlane then putting Ohaiyo as a support with Net who he's played with before is the best option. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
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We Are Here
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Sassback
United States718 Posts
On September 03 2015 02:21 Mensol wrote: Ohaiyo on support breaking my heart. I never hoped/wanted to see the day | ||
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goody153
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Chrissy interview | ||
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wxyLkz
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On September 16 2015 00:54 goody153 wrote: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/features/4450-interview-with-fnatic-dj-we-want-to-be-the-champions Chrissy interview yeah Chrissy representin PH doto | ||
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shouldbeworking
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dbssaber
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On October 23 2015 11:56 shouldbeworking wrote: This team needs to go and bootcamp in China or something. Stomping these sea teams over and over isn't going to help get them next level enough to get a top finish. well they're not the best team in SEA and probably haven't been for at least a month | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
The entire team feels like they're not coordinating. They've shown almost no draft flexibility. They can't play competently past the early game. Fnatic is a mess. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 17 2015 05:10 CosmicSpiral wrote: I don't know. The entire team feels like they're not coordinating. They've shown almost no draft flexibility. They can't play competently past the early game. Fnatic is a mess. it has a lot to do with mushi. they have plenty of hero flexibility but mushi limits it, and the early shot calls are usually very poor. the lack of regional competition has something to do with it, but isn't any excuse for mushi to be leading this badly | ||
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shouldbeworking
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Mensol
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welp. | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
I hoped that Mushi would just stay as support since he is the shotcaller. Still I hope this works out. | ||
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MirageTaN
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lphwo
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On December 03 2015 00:46 MirageTaN wrote: Mushi could just play EE-sama in C9 , If you follow his rule of "Most farmed calls shots" that is If I'm not wrong it was PLD that was doing the early to mid game shot calling. EE only really took over during late game. | ||
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MetalMercury
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lphwo
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On March 06 2016 17:09 DucK- wrote: Dj and midone are the top performers for fnatic. No surprises. Net though was a disappointment. To be fair to net he constantly got things like Disruptor and had to play the hard 5 while DJ got to play Enigma/Chen. | ||
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goody153
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On March 06 2016 17:09 DucK- wrote: Dj and midone are the top performers for fnatic. No surprises. Net though was a disappointment. I wanted DJ to play mid but he's done well as a support it's a waste if a good support like goes to plays a core role when there's somebody else who can do it. And Midone is suprisingly reliable (although there are some weird situations where he jumped at 5 heroes but that's ok, he's new and it happens to anybody) I think Ohayou did well too. Mushi did what a 1 should do but i'm still not too satisfied with him though this team would probably fall apart without him. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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and yea, Everyone on this team surpasses even tier 1 players on most teams in terms of raw skills.They just need the direction they were getting at this event from analyst and coach.they will do just fine and has the potential to reach even top 3 if they managed to bring stability to their performance and it is achievable with a highly positive leader like mushi. he found such 2 gems in the form of midone and DJ and the fact that DJ is getting along with a team with 4 malaysian players is pretty good thing to watch. | ||
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spudde123
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Moreover, the next major is in Manila so that might take some reservations away from Valve. The crowd will surely love having a few teams from nearby, and with the performances of MVP and Fnatic there is a legitimate case to do that. | ||
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lolnoty
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goody153
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On April 03 2016 15:35 lolnoty wrote: Fnatic is on a rampage at the moment. 24 series won in a row, only dropping 1 game to MVP.P (2-1) and beat MVP.P 3-0 after that series. I know Mushi is taking a break, but is he also their coach? oh wow also DJ-god | ||
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the bear jew
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dbssaber
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Xurr
Germany313 Posts
On April 23 2016 03:12 dbssaber wrote: I didn't get to see Fnatic play last night, how did they look? They looked amazing. Sometimes maybe a bit too aggressive but that is hardly new. If the other teams, like Secret, don't step up considerably the finals should be Liquid vs Fnatic | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On April 23 2016 03:12 dbssaber wrote: I didn't get to see Fnatic play last night, how did they look? looks like it's time for me to CHANGE MY FLAIR | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
dem ohaiyo VACrider blinks :D | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
every batrider trying to cliff ppl lmao | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On April 30 2016 23:32 Geisterkarle wrote: I like to keep tabs on the Leaderboards. And it seems, fnatic.MidOne is the first player on the SEA-server to break 8k MMR! Congratulation he broke it almost a month ago.. :D he then lost some mmr | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
Mushi back on the team. 343 stays as a primary. Net left fnatic. Seems like the most logical solution, if you want to make a roster change. Net was struggling on some carries and was the weakest player on fnatic. We will see the new lineup at the upcoming  EPICENTER lan. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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pretty hyped to see new roster at epicentre | ||
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Dysisa
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On May 08 2016 00:09 Dysisa wrote: Is this allowed? I thought these kinda roster changes were only allowed by Valve if you had an actual really good reason for it, and not just "this guy plays better"? I want to believe that Fnatic would have gone over this with Valve before doing something, but then I remembered that whole Xcalibur and Era thing... Well, 343 and Mushi are registered in the official teamlist. So as I understand they can switch around and play as they want! But any invite will be to the 5 main players! | ||
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DucK-
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Feels like although Mushi is a sub, being allowed to sub in should only apply to legitimate difficulties, such as illnesses, schedules, or visas. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 08 2016 01:28 DucK- wrote: Way to go. Team played good when Mushi stopped playing, then gets rewarded with an invite, and Mushi goes to reap the rewards he did not earn. Heh. Feels like although Mushi is a sub, being allowed to sub in should only apply to legitimate difficulties, such as illnesses, schedules, or visas. They also played good when mushi was with the team. and they were winning without dropping a game in sea after Shanghai major for few days until mushi had major health problems and 343 had to step in. And mushi isn't a sub on this team .343 is a sub and he was subbing in for mushi . | ||
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dbssaber
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Fnatic are doing pretty well | ||
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evanthebouncy!
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fnatic unite! | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On August 04 2016 16:51 DucK- wrote: Mushit ruining everything once again by choosing to draft lol. My #justicefornet aside, I really don't understand the decision. 343 is clearly a better drafter. And his drafting was the reason why he is part of the main team anyway. Its 343 + mushi both drafting ..343 said this yesterday on Twitter .. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On August 05 2016 10:14 Xafnia wrote: It's too bad they didn't keep Net. Too bad net wasnt a drafter nor he was any captain to make his presence somewhat special in the team ..he was just an average support in the team. So I don't think his presence would have mattered anyway | ||
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the bear jew
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DucK-
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On August 05 2016 11:09 Kamisamanachi wrote: Its 343 + mushi both drafting ..343 said this yesterday on Twitter .. I see. Maybe he should let 343 draft on his own. And of course stop thinking he can play invoker rofl | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On August 05 2016 15:23 DucK- wrote: I see. Maybe he should let 343 draft on his own. And of course stop thinking he can play invoker rofl It's like they gave up on going to the upper bracket when they picked invoker and gave it to mushi | ||
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Batmankills
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What's gone is gone..escape is definately doable . | ||
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Elurie
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On August 11 2016 16:06 Kamisamanachi wrote: they just need to not lose early game heavily against liquid Jokes on you, hah! | ||
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fixed_point
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Kamisamanachi
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On August 12 2016 22:00 fixed_point wrote: Look at fnatic post match here. Mushi appears to be speaking chinese to 343. Does he actually understand? Yea,i think all of them except dj understands Chinese | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
DC match incoming | ||
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the bear jew
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
They achieved a lot, made it further than I could have ever thought possible. They just were the best team that wasn't one of the elites of the tournament, and that's ok. I hope they stick together and continue to improve, and I look forward to supporting this group of players into the future. You don't necessarily have to win the whole thing to be a success! | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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Extremely proud of the team ..whole team showed up during main event..mushi and ohaiyo especially stepped up big time .good luck to these guys for next | ||
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Dysisa
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edit; Oh, guess they deleted the tweet now. Take from that what you will. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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yamateh is in malaysia since quite a few days and him, nj and ohaiyo have been playing quite a few pubs together with yamateh and nj playing support.The most important thing is all of those 5 were/are core players on their respective teams but NJ has been playing a lot of 4 positions heroes in pubs (visage, enigma etc) with yamateh as a pair. also, mushi played battle cup today with yamateh and ohaiyo. inyordreaM is another upcoming indonesian SEA 8k mmr pubstar who played for some random team in open qualifiers for major and has been quite talked about player since some time. if the roster is true, this is another once in a while event where yamateh+ mushi reunion is happening after talks of their differences over the years. the last time both teamed up was in 2012. let's wait for official roster announcement. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 19 2016 14:08 Kelefei2016 wrote: Yamateh was a famous Dota star in Malaysia while we like to called him Y-god, but his performance is a bit down at Dota 2, and he used to be carry in those days. I've seen his stream, he seems to play greedy hc heroes, he does carry his team tho. He's good, but there's more than being mechanically skilled to be a pro. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On January 03 2017 00:03 Papercappu wrote: Still no official announcement. ESL in 3 days yea, idk if their team is incomplete or they are just waiting to make some announcement. febby was playing in 5 man party with ohaiyo, mushi, reinnn(fnatic manager) and kips(their analyst). this seems to be a hint that he is indeed a new member on the team.. | ||
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Pontual
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shad2810
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Mushi Inyourdream Ohaiyo Febby YamateH (Stand in) | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
There's like no good proven SEA supports still left, so you're either going to potentially find someone that is basically washed up (and is probably not Malaysian, otherwise why YMT), OR they might be importing a support from another region (Synderen from EU or something maybe)? There's always the possibility of like a player from somewhere like Entity.Esports or Fire Dragon Esports or something too I guess. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On January 05 2017 04:18 MetalMercury wrote: Who could be their long term support if YMT doesn't stick around? There's like no good proven SEA supports still left, so you're either going to potentially find someone that is basically washed up (and is probably not Malaysian, otherwise why YMT), OR they might be importing a support from another region (Synderen from EU or something maybe)? There's always the possibility of like a player from somewhere like Entity.Esports or Fire Dragon Esports or something too I guess. if they are going to get another support after esl, the most probable comditions are they already have found one and he coldnt come due to visa things or that player is in talks about contract and stuff with management . can't think of other reasons. and yeah, some ETE players are pretty talented, like swifty . that guy was pretty good last time i watched. or they might have picked up someone from EU and he couldn't come in time and they registred and decided to go with this roster. initially, they gave offers to another player from TP.NND, inyourdream's old team. but that guy decided to stay in indonesia.It could also be NJ, who was in fnatic teamhouse few days ago with ohaiyo(another 7.2k mmr support player) and theyre just deciding whether to go with ymt or nj. either way, this roster looks good on papaer, even with yamateh as a support. inyourdream is a raw talent with even more talent than midone, i think. he needs direction and coaching and he will surely evolve under mushi . | ||
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honeylover
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On January 05 2017 12:24 Kamisamanachi wrote: if they are going to get another support after esl, the most probable comditions are they already have found one and he coldnt come due to visa things or that player is in talks about contract and stuff with management . can't think of other reasons. and yeah, some ETE players are pretty talented, like swifty . that guy was pretty good last time i watched. or they might have picked up someone from EU and he couldn't come in time and they registred and decided to go with this roster. initially, they gave offers to another player from TP.NND, inyourdream's old team. but that guy decided to stay in indonesia.It could also be NJ, who was in fnatic teamhouse few days ago with ohaiyo(another 7.2k mmr support player) and theyre just deciding whether to go with ymt or nj. either way, this roster looks good on papaer, even with yamateh as a support. inyourdream is a raw talent with even more talent than midone, i think. he needs direction and coaching and he will surely evolve under mushi . The other player from ex-IYD's team that u mentioned is Franceour. He's not from TP.NND, but from EVOS (the one that beat MVP.Phoenix on ESL Qualifier). He's teamed with IYD back then in a team called CIAT (Corgi In A Team). He's 7.3k MMR Indonesian player who played as midlaner in EVOS but originally a support player. HisTeam (EVOS) just got 2 huge sponsorship from NVIDIA and GOJEK (Indonesia's biggest online service booking company), so maybe he wants to give something back to the sponsor first. | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
Pretty much the only player than didn't play terribly was Febby, Mushi did alright and so did IYD but Yamateh and especially Ohaiyo were fucking awful. What happened Ohaiyo? You were a top 3 offlaner in the world from TI3 to TI4, but now you suck. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 08 2017 03:51 MetalMercury wrote: They didn't look very good at ESL. Pretty much the only player than didn't play terribly was Febby, Mushi did alright and so did IYD but Yamateh and especially Ohaiyo were fucking awful. What happened Ohaiyo? You were a top 3 offlaner in the world from TI3 to TI4, but now you suck. With Mushi gradually becoming more and more passive in his play and no stable support duos, Ohaiyo has too many things to do. It's the whole "Universe on Secret" scenario all over again. | ||
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MetalMercury
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On January 08 2017 06:42 Papercappu wrote: I dont think ohaiyo played bad. it's just the team overall. they looked so unorganized. IYD was by far the worst player in that team.i dont see how anyone can see him did alright.bad game sense,no map awareness,he just looked clueless.that tinker game probably one of the worst tinker i've ever seen.Im just going to assumed its the combination of new team + nerves for now. Also yamateh made so many individual mistakes in that disruptor game.not surprised he's just a stand in I think part of it is that I'm typically an offlane / support player, so those mistakes stick out more to me. IYD dying three times right after getting bloodstone was a pretty bad move too. I don't know man; I love this team and I'll be a Mushi / Ohaiyo fangay until they die so I'll give them some time to get everything together. They certainly wouldn't beat XTCN, WG, or Faceless in their current form. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On January 08 2017 08:52 MetalMercury wrote: I think part of it is that I'm typically an offlane / support player, so those mistakes stick out more to me. IYD dying three times right after getting bloodstone was a pretty bad move too. I don't know man; I love this team and I'll be a Mushi / Ohaiyo fangay until they die so I'll give them some time to get everything together. They certainly wouldn't beat XTCN, WG, or Faceless in their current form. actually, IYD was either tilted hard or feared in front of such a huge crowd. the guy is basically playing his first match on tier 1 team and he directly lands into a LAN. he missed a permahex and was also lvl 17 at 50 mins because he tped everytime before lane creeps died due to fear of being dead. his laning phase against ursa+warlock was pretty good tho and he kept his farm and made some pretty decent early game descision. with more experience, the guy will definately shine. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
Any hint or clue as to who the fifth player is going to be? Either they really didn't get their shit together after the last qualifier fiasco or they are having a hard time recruiting someone, or maybe they had a fifth that abandoned them for something else and they have to scramble to find someone? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
This guy will most probably play as a mid/carry tryout/standin player for tommorow's matches for fnatic. judging from his posts . 7.5k mmr player from malaysia. he might also be trolling. no idea about another support. | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
They are playing OK today, but those games against TnC have been greatly disappointing. I can't say I'm too surprised, as TnC is probably the best team in SEA at the moment, but I was hoping they wouldn't make the stupid strategic mistakes they've made so far in game 1 and halfway through game 2. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On January 19 2017 23:23 MetalMercury wrote: ADTR playing in today's matches does not inspire confidence; they only use him when they have no other choice and he's terrible. They are playing OK today, but those games against TnC have been greatly disappointing. I can't say I'm too surprised, as TnC is probably the best team in SEA at the moment, but I was hoping they wouldn't make the stupid strategic mistakes they've made so far in game 1 and halfway through game 2. few things...ADTR drafted for all 4 games yesterday. they are also changing things internally. febby will do their shotcalling now and they are making mushi focus completely on his mechanical plays and skills in midlane without burdening him with any shotcalling or drafting things. he might need to draft in future, but the shotcalling things are being done by febby in most of early to mid game. | ||
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gotnowheels
Philippines51 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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gotnowheels
Philippines51 Posts
On January 25 2017 19:29 Pontual wrote: I mean, i see mushi being hated since manilla. They said MidOne was carrying Fnatic. And tbh i'm not seeing mushi impress me in a long time. Not saying he's bad tho. I think his former team-mates just mis-understood him. Or they have too much respect for Mushi, he is a great player. I just don't understand where all this hate coming from. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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gotnowheels
Philippines51 Posts
On January 25 2017 20:03 Pontual wrote: His former team mates only said good things about him, and took the blame because they weren't able to play with confidence with mushi, raven said after winning wesg that they thought they were not worthy playing with him. About the hate, you really can't expect much from dota 2 community, we are naturally salty. I kinda agree with you on this. I think Raven just have too much respect on Mushi that he is too conscious not to disappoint him which makes him a little uneasy during their matches. When I watched True Sight, Raven is really affected when they lost a game and he is putting too much blame on himself that he is not worthy to be a team mate of Mushi. I think that is why they kinda left the team. I mean look at DJ, he actually adapted to Mushi for a while. Also, there's really a communication issue. IMO | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
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Thetwinmasters
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shouldbeworking
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
HYPE BOYS !!!! Fnatic is coming back !!!! | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
[Edit] Just realised DJ is available, but he plays the same role as Febby. Unless we're gonna see febby carry again omg no pleases. Could see him play 5 + junglers though. Or maybe reisen. Qualify for TI and then sub him again XD Meracle is available, but he eats too much farm from QO. Looking forward to the announcement! | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
2. QO 3. Ohaiyo 4. DJ 5. Febby Good lord is here <3 | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
I really hope they make it to TI. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Jokes aside i'm excited to see what QO can do strat-wise, please no more davai dota. | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
On April 05 2017 19:49 shad2810 wrote: Anyone is available to teach me how to link the roster from liquidpedia for the team roster in the main page? just quote some of the team roster threads and copy the style of how it's done | ||
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Porcupinathy
235 Posts
On April 05 2017 19:49 shad2810 wrote: Anyone is available to teach me how to link the roster from liquidpedia for the team roster in the main page? I believe you have to be staff for CSS stuff to work. Every time you edit the post it'll break (Or at least that's what happens in the threads I created). Just wait for someone to fix it. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:51 Pontual wrote: mirael left likkid for this? Jokes aside i'm excited to see what QO can do strat-wise, please no more davai dota. Ay I want davai strats. Makes for good games to watch! The 5 melee vs og timber game was one of my favourite games. Jaw dropped for most of the time. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
That should be crazy to watch. | ||
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Caladbolg
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GOHF
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 07 2017 12:54 Caladbolg wrote: I hope they buy into the QO caveman doto philosophy like MVP.P did. They have a far more balanced lineup, and with a playmaker 4 like DJ, they can go even further than the old MVP.P. Plus, I am a believer in Meracle carry. In Mineski, the problem was that he had to take a backseat to Bimbo in farm priority. With QO in mid (who prefers fighting to farming), he might be able to excel at what he does best, which is to Naga Siren the beejesus out of the enemy. 4p1 but with a fighting 4 will make games super exciting :D What makes you think QO doesn't soak up the farm? I think he soaks up even more than bimbo. QO likes to fight fight fight, but to do so he wants to be protected first and get some basic items. And when he fights, he needs his 4 to help him do so. Meracle has to join the fights, like how MP used to. Maybe meracle even has to play poor man invoker or veno or something. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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Thetwinmasters
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shouldbeworking
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Caladbolg
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shouldbeworking
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shad2810
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goody153
44119 Posts
seriously that last game it felt like they are the personification of SEA pubs | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I honestly have no idea what to expect from this roster, though those expecting a total disaster are surely wrong. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On August 26 2017 15:48 Kelefei2016 wrote: I think this new roster is better than the ti7 team. Just about anything is better then the TI7 team | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Good to see EE didn't lose his trademark. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On August 26 2017 09:54 hunter_x wrote: poor Fanatic fans, cant catch a break after the TI disaster😢 Just quoting myself from two month ago. Fnatic should kick envy fast, this was never gonna work out. Excalibur isnt the best mid for sure, but not the main problem. And what did bulba coaching do for the team? They should really act now, when the season is still young. | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Concerning Bulba coaching, I doubt he had any time at all to even have an effect on the team if he only joined for this LAN. Fnatic just played at an event last weekend in Malaysia with Net standing in for DJ, and I don't think Bulba was with them there. If he can have an effect it'll probably show more at Dotapit. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
The plan seems to be to build around Xcalibur, but he's simply not good enough. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
how that translates to pro play, i don't know, but i really don't think EE should take a leadership role on this team. let someone else learn the ropes, and do the drafting. | ||
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Chillander
219 Posts
Just caught them playing vs TnC, Abed and Ohaiyo won both games | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
But we'll see how they do vs Mineski, it should be a pretty good test. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On November 12 2017 01:39 Chillander wrote: Not saying that Excalibur was a weak link, but they suddenly look way better since Abed joined Just caught them playing vs TnC, Abed and Ohaiyo won both games EE had stable performances throughout both games. He went 11/0 with LS 2nd game and was clutch in the early game with the TB in the 1st game | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
the team synergy is actually on point now and he is flexing his midtalent unlike excalibur before(which probably needs a specific team around him to be able to do that) they don't look awkward as hell now but fnatic is likely still gonna lose to mineski | ||
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goody153
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Lol Mineski are Top Tier recently Massive win for them They even put abed on Tinker in decider game to rub the kick into poor Xcalibur's face | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
yep i don't think they've accomplished anything notable since their formation | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
PS: If someone is kind enough to explain why EE went for "Heaven's halberd" in game 5, than went back to echo sabre followed by desolator. because i sure don't understand his reasoning. | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
The echo sabre+deso is fine it increases his damage output in short period of time(cause they're cheap) which is what they needed. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Not only that, there was multiple instance where Mineski had blown up everything and failed to score a kill, even killing a support WW was hard, especially in the early mid game, let alone killing a LS with armlet. In my opinion, going HH as a second item was a mistake, there was better items to pick, especially in the position they were in. Also They didn't push when SK and brewmaster ult's was on CD, while dusa and veng were virtually hitting like kittens. Overall, Fnatic looks better with Abed, however they still need a lot of work, as their "team call" is still lacking. Hope they can improve. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On November 13 2017 01:56 VvvV1251 wrote: Well by the time he got the it, Dusa virtually had no item, considering how they crushed the early game, there was absolutely no reason to pick as a second item. The rest of Mineski was crushed, Medusa was still tied for #1 on net worth and he has Venge aura on his side. But ofc killing people was hard for Mineski anyway if Omni and WW were around, but "absolutely no reason" is still a bit of a stretch. Halberd isn't all that bad damage wise for strength heroes anyway. One may disagree with the choice, but you are framing it as if there is no clear reasoning for it at all | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
On November 13 2017 02:54 spudde123 wrote: The rest of Mineski was crushed, Medusa was still tied for #1 on net worth and he has Venge aura on his side. But ofc killing people was hard for Mineski anyway if Omni and WW were around, but "absolutely no reason" is still a bit of a stretch. Halberd isn't all that bad damage wise for strength heroes anyway. One may disagree with the choice, but you are framing it as if there is no clear reasoning for it at all EE got the hallberd at 19m while dusa got her manta style at 21m, on top of that, they had tinker's laser, WW's cold embrace and Omni's ult, LS is a team-fight oriented hero same apply to the two others, while Tinker can join at any-time, the Odd of them being together is pretty high, not only that but Medusa generally doesn't want to join team fight without 2 big items. on top of that, they were way ahead in net-worth. This is the reason why i said there is no reason, although i agree that "absolutely" was unnecessary. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Could still be the honeymoon stage, of course. | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Abed is definitely a huge upgrade over xcalibur. The 2 cheesy mid heroes (visage Meepo) that xcalibur is known for, abed is more renowned for it. Add in that unlike xcalibur, abed can comfortably play tempo heroes like invoker qop puck storm etc. What can xcalibur actually do that abed can't? | ||
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MasterBayShawn
Philippines12 Posts
On November 13 2017 20:49 DucK- wrote: Ohaiyo stepped up so much since abed joined. He had been playing really poorly prior. I think he is just not used to babysitting their mid | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On November 17 2017 18:46 FuzzyJAM wrote: Still early days, but the team is looking super good. Everyone on the team seems much more comfortable (Abed included) because they can trust everyone else to actually do something if given the opportunity. They only played qualifiers in sea, against the same teams all the time. And dont forget its still a EE team, everything can happen. Yeah they look much better now, but the fnatic with xcalibur was a total disaster, so thats not too surprising. The first lan tournament will be the real test for this team. | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Abed saved the game by stealing aegis, cheese and refresher shard at the same time. Let's see how G3 will turn out. | ||
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Jisira
470 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On November 19 2017 02:26 Jisira wrote: Fnatic making it to a major over Mineski feels like the result of Abed coming in and making sense of the meta. Suddenly, the star player is in a position where you can easily play around him and he in turn can help the rest of the team overcome the hurdles of handling mid/lategame. My only wish is that they can continue to play like this on the big stage... We'll see at Dreamhack. sound analysis but I'm not sure if Abed was the one that made sense of the meta draftwise in this lineup | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
well hopefully the team just gets better after this or at least maintains their strength | ||
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spudde123
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HighCaliburrr
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goody153
44119 Posts
https://www.monsterenergy.com/news/coming-back-to-sea apparently he didn't adapt to anything and the team was doing all the adapting . Fnatic is literally playing 4p1 | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I guess the team isn't happy with fighting to be the second best SEA team, so I get it. Whether it'll be good or not, the sort of mentality that wants to win tournaments says a gamble is better than what's safe here. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Always hard to say what the team dynamic is exactly and what would change. In recent times Ohaiyo has played pretty farmy heroes that just sit in lane and push it out a lot of the time. Also another change is that they've started to swap PLD's and DJ's positions a bit depending on heroes, with PLD playing some Clockwerk and Slardar for example when DJ has his Shaman or Rubick. Funnily enough Universe joining would mean the team has 3/5 of the infamous post-Shanghai Secret team. At least this time they have to play constant competitive games for practice as they aren't riding the invite train to events | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
This was Ohaiyo's team; they will have no fans in SEA anymore. The difference between Universe and Ohaiyo isn't large. | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
I personally think it isn't an upgrade if universe joins and ohayou leaves. It's just another adjusting period | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Also we'll have to see what even happens. A bit strange that all sorts of people are suddenly talking about it but none of the players in the team are saying anything. I believe they are scheduled to play Bucharest major quals the day after tomorrow | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
I hope it's just nothing but trolling (unlikely). Shame i really like this team. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Ohaiyo is versatile enough but EE's shit drafting skills can't make use of it. EE always have a narrow vision of how his team should be playing. Once he thinks he figures out the optimal playing style of his teammates, his drafting style will never ever deviate from it. Right now he's in this phase of thinking that his offlaner usually has higher farm priority, might as well bring Universe over since he plays that playstyle better lol. It is the same reason why all his past teams excelled when the patch was right for them, and fucking died the moment a new patch went against them. | ||
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goody153
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Ah well, excited to support Universe! | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Anyone remember the "no Tp", the 30K gold advantage lost game ? | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
I think the bigger obstacle is something like what babysimba said above. EE is not consistently on the same level as a drafter as the very best. Sometimes he finds a specific style that works really well, leading to good tournament runs, but it's rarely well rounded enough to beat the best teams consistently. But idk about "lacks the necessary qualities to be a leader". EE has captained his teams to a lot of good placings over the years, and his team has always been good enough to qualify to a lot of events and to make an occasional deep run. He just hasn't been on the same level as the very best. Hard to see that changing at this point but we'll see I suppose. In general the problem with criticizing captains is that it often isn't realistic to find a replacement that is better. Pretty sure the Fnatic players would boot EE if Kuro said that he wants to join the team, but these sorts of captains are already leading their own teams. Hence if you want to look for a change, it's almost always some other player. | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
On January 13 2018 03:54 MetalMercury wrote: Stupid decision if it turns out to be true. This was Ohaiyo's team; they will have no fans in SEA anymore. The difference between Universe and Ohaiyo isn't large. True, SEA Fnatic is Ohaiyo's team. SEA Fnatic will loss more of the ground fans. And most of us think replacing Ohaiyo with Universe "upgraded" Fnatic from 3rd SEA to possible 1st SEA (in my opinion, Fnatic already is second after Mineski, Fnatic already beat TNC), but instead of 3-tight-team, kicking out Ohaiyo will render Ohaiyo forming another strong team, it means beside Mineski and TNC, Fnatic will need to face another "Ohaiyo based" team. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Fundamentally, Fnatic are a good team made up of good players. I really don't see any glaring flaws that need to be fixed. Not every team can be the best in the world. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
We'll see how the team changes after some time to practice. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Usually player changes in teams don't end up happening right in the middle of a qual with some other guy flying in from a different region so this situation doesn't arise much. Ideally Universe could have arrived 1-2 weeks ago so he could play the quals from start to finish. Not sure when exactly they asked Universe or when he agreed to join. Presumably they at least asked quite some time ago already after he got booted from EG. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I kind of don't know how Ohaiyo didn't know himself given that the rumour was circulating strongly well in advance. You'd think he would have asked what was happening. I think it's very poor, but I see why the team did it. Had they been open, the alternatives were to play with someone who had no reason to try or to play with a jet lagged new player. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
@DucK- totally agree, is there no roster change rule for majors? | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
It's still an absolutely shitty thing to do, though. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Fun fact is that Fnatic moves up to 9 place in ranking from 13 because Uni has more points. | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
Greed trumps power of friendship | ||
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Chillander
219 Posts
On January 18 2018 04:41 Aznupdown wrote: At the end of the day, Dota 2 is a business and all teams need to strive for success in order to thrive. Yeah its a shitty things to do no doubt about that but it was necessary. Greed trumps power of friendship The reason why our world is such a dark and dangerous place Just need to clarify that I didn't mean you, personally. Just the general point of view, as many of us have, and is partly true, sadly | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
statement from fnatic seems like this problems from the transfer could've been all avoided if valve released the information about the roster change earlier before all the qualifiers happened .. as i understand valve released the information about the roster change the same day as the qualifier for katowice started of course anybody with the right mind wouldn't tell a player they are about to remove who is about to play for them before the transaction for the other player transfer is officially confirmed. On January 18 2018 06:38 Chillander wrote: The reason why our world is such a dark and dangerous place Just need to clarify that I didn't mean you, personally. Just the general point of view, as many of us have, and is partly true, sadly Though i'm not fond of the move being a fan of the previous team composition(the excalibur replacement i'd understand he was clearly out of place from the team and the results prove that abed was an clear improvement but not ohayou) i think the replacement was for the TI points. Esports is however not some charity environment where nobility and all that shit is valued but rather results. Even if lets say it's miracle if he isn't as good as he is right now then he still likely to be replaced even if he was "trying his best" and would've been for a team in a long time. It's a competition after all and results actually matter | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
From the recent games(after the two losses) Universe seems to be playing well with the team. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
Being in a disadvantage against Geek-fam the way Fnatic were but still winning the way they did to me is a glimpse of top-team attitude and style of play. Go boys! | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
It sucks that they couldn't make it to DAC, I was really hoping they would, but hopefully they keep improving It's also a shame I can no longer cheer for them on Reddit without being downvoted to hell, hopefully they'll forget about all the drama soon like they did with Puppey | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
For now it seems like Fnatic is in a pretty similar situation as they were with Ohaiyo. They'll probably beat TNC or Mineski in some quals and maybe even place well in some minors, but as of now it doesn't seem like they are on their way to become the clear #1 team in the region. I don't think it's just about drafting and calling. For example it feels to me that Fnatic has lost the warding battle in quite a few of their games, but I haven't watched all their games that closely so it may not be the correct impression. Also individually even Abed has had some pretty bad games at times. In today's last game against TNC the game ended with those few terrible fights (one of which started from Fnatic themselves smoking under TNC's ward and TNC knowing pretty much where they were going to be), but the game started far worse than it needed to with Abed giving away his good lane by moving past the tower and feeding both the courier and first blood. Not sure what exactly happened so that the creep wave ended up so deep to begin with. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On February 10 2018 02:50 spudde123 wrote: Who would you have recruited during the roster lock? The issue with "someone else should captain" statements is that generally no realistic alternative is offered. Established captains almost always have their own teams and you can't typically easily recruit one. They do have 343 as coach and he has at least some drafting experience, but EE seems to like playing with PLD so it seems like an unlikely change. I'd be curious to see if the situation would change at all if EE played 5. For now it seems like Fnatic is in a pretty similar situation as they were with Ohaiyo. They'll probably beat TNC or Mineski in some quals and maybe even place well in some minors, but as of now it doesn't seem like they are on their way to become the clear #1 team in the region. I don't think it's just about drafting and calling. For example it feels to me that Fnatic has lost the warding battle in quite a few of their games, but I haven't watched all their games that closely so it may not be the correct impression. Also individually even Abed has had some pretty bad games at times. In today's last game against TNC the game ended with those few terrible fights (one of which started from Fnatic themselves smoking under TNC's ward and TNC knowing pretty much where they were going to be), but the game started far worse than it needed to with Abed giving away his good lane by moving past the tower and feeding both the courier and first blood. Not sure what exactly happened so that the creep wave ended up so deep to begin with. There really aren't any good captains that needed a team, unfortunately., so nothing could have been done in that regards. I think EE could move to a 5 position like he played with No Tidehunter, but he probably wouldn't since he's so stubborn, and besides, that wouldn't happen until after TI due to the roster lock. And I agree on those games being lost not solely by EE, there are issues every member of the team (except maybe Universe) have had, due to like you said the warding and Abed making bad plays and feeding at critical moments Actually I just remembered that 1437 was kicked off TnC so he could have been picked up but EE would almost definitely not kick Pie for him | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I think the team is still fine. They're not going to win TI but they should at least make it there. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On February 10 2018 06:10 FuzzyJAM wrote: If EE had played like Abed recently people would be calling for a new mid. But Envy teams just have Envy hatred. I think the team is still fine. They're not going to win TI but they should at least make it there. I hope so, tomorrow is the start of the EPICENTER SEA qualifiers, with only one slot for all of SEA, so it's gonna be a hard time going up against Mineski and TnC, provided they get out of groups, which they should Also, reading Aui_2000's blog where he mentioned the Reddit bandwagoning of hate is pretty accurate, it's a shame it's like that, though | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Ever since Universe joined the team, they are losing pretty much every single early-game. PS: it seems that Abed got inflected by EE's random bad play at the late-game | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On February 13 2018 02:50 plasmidghost wrote: EE is Dota 2's IdrA in that his approach to the game is so stubborn and rigid, which I think is why he's been on a constant downward trend since his peak at Shanghai. At this point, it's looking like Mineski will direct qualify to TI and TnC will take the other SEA spot, so unless Fnatic gets lucky with there being two qualified spots for SEA, I don't see them making TI this year. And even if there are two spots, I wouldn't put it past them to lose to a team like Geek Fam or Execration There's for sure going to be at least two spots for qualification for SEA (even if Mineski gets invited), so I don't think they'll have to worry about availability of spots. That said, they could full well lose to Geek Fam or Execration in the TI qualifiers and sit it out from home if they don't manage to figure it out. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Fnatic should have considered that when getting rid of Ohaiyo and replacing him with Universe that they were getting rid of a player that has played at the top of SEA competition for years, right? Like, I totally understand wanting to get a better player but when that player doesn't know the teams in the region, it seems like an unintended consequence. Fnatic with Ohaiyo won like 60% of their games vs TnC but Fnatic with Universe only has won like 20% of their game vs TnC Also, I read someone mention that the SEA teams that Fnatic scrim against are probably all sharing information with each other to beat Fnatic, which I can't blame them if that is the case | ||
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
On February 13 2018 07:31 plasmidghost wrote: Well, since Mineski dropped out of the DreamLeague qualifiers, Fnatic actually has a decent shot at winning, I'd say, as long as they can overcome their TnC kryptonite from the past two qualifiers Fnatic should have considered that when getting rid of Ohaiyo and replacing him with Universe that they were getting rid of a player that has played at the top of SEA competition for years, right? Like, I totally understand wanting to get a better player but when that player doesn't know the teams in the region, it seems like an unintended consequence. Fnatic with Ohaiyo won like 60% of their games vs TnC but Fnatic with Universe only has won like 20% of their game vs TnC Also, I read someone mention that the SEA teams that Fnatic scrim against are probably all sharing information with each other to beat Fnatic, which I can't blame them if that is the case It is way too early to use that statistic to say that Universe is not a fit for Fnatic. He barely started playing with them. Universe is consider one of the best offlaner and he comes with a lot of points so it was a no-brainer to add Universe. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
I also see them getting fourth at DreamLeague, since there's almost no way them (or anyone else) can beat Secret, Liquid, or the Chinese qualifier team | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On February 17 2018 02:10 plasmidghost wrote: I think Fnatic will almost definitely get points at GESC Indonesia, the only good team there is VGJ.Thunder I also see them getting fourth at DreamLeague, since there's almost no way them (or anyone else) can beat Secret, Liquid, or the Chinese qualifier team ... and then Fanatic beat Secret at ESL One | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I think any team left in the bracket would be favoured against them with the possible exception of the unknown quantity of EG. But they've shown they can beat anyone, and they're only two series away from first place... | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On February 23 2018 07:05 sCuMBaG wrote: ... and then Fanatic beat Secret at ESL One I didn't expect them to beat anyone besides Na`Vi, I'm still in shock that they made top 4, now I can't wait for them to win the whole thing | ||
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Jisira
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plasmidghost
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
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Jisira
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FuzzyJAM
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plasmidghost
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
On February 25 2018 15:46 Kelefei2016 wrote: Congraz Fnatic that gaining some points from the Major. Hope luck will always with you. Tasty, salty tears. No worries, Fnatic did quite well, and improved a lot since their last tournaments. They might even start get invited before Mneski if this keeps up! | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On February 26 2018 06:15 plasmidghost wrote: Hopefully Fnatic can keep playing well, I think they'll get enough to qualify for TI at this rate They certainly look a lot better. Looked lost when Universe first came over, now things are looking much better. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On February 26 2018 11:49 the bear jew wrote: They certainly look a lot better. Looked lost when Universe first came over, now things are looking much better. Yeah, and hopefully they can make some more majors, it's a shame they didn't qualify for Bucharest or Epicenter or DAC but there are three more Majors they have a decent shout at qualifying for or being invited to, I think. Just gotta have good showings at DreamLeague and GESC Indonesia | ||
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Racket
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
On February 26 2018 17:15 Racket wrote: I cannot stop thinking that if EE played the pos5 his teams would be much more successful. Probably not unless they get an actually like Ace or somebody not just a "carry" then he switch to 5 position and abuse their carry to the limits. I doubt having just another carry would work out. | ||
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MasterBayShawn
Philippines12 Posts
On February 28 2018 08:02 goody153 wrote: Probably not unless they get an actually like Ace or somebody not just a "carry" then he switch to 5 position and abuse their carry to the limits. I doubt having just another carry would work out. There are quite a handful of good carries in SEA. Dreamocel, Gabbi, Skemberlu just to name a few. Though I still prefer for this team to stick around until TI. It's not like EE can magically become a better pos5 than PLD. | ||
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Racket
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goody153
44119 Posts
i don't think i've ever actually seen a universe interview and a long one even (don't worry about the filipino introduction .. the questions and answers are all english) | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Solo black hole kuro, get destroyed afterward. by SK's epicenter+ LS bomb. Solo back hole kuro again, get destroyed afterward by sk's epicenter+ LS bomb. it was pretty much the same fight, MC destroyed Universe during black hole while SK+LS destroyed Ursa+Gyro as soon as BKB end. Doing it one time it is fine, but losing a team-fight twice in the same way........ They need to level-up their decision making ASAP. | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:09 Aznupdown wrote: You forgot the mention the BM pick of an SS core. Seriously? In the past Shadow shaman was picked as 2, a surprise pick during the 4 protect 1 era, due to his pushing power, the team start grouping up as 4 and push tower as soon as he hit level 6, while the hard carries will use the space created and the gold from tower (same for the rest) to have a superior net-worth over his counter part for the high-ground push,sometimes it worked, other times it failed like today. Also pocket strat, out of the meta pick are common thing in DOTA. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:09 Aznupdown wrote: You forgot the mention the BM pick of an SS core. Seriously? No way was that more BM than what Liquid pulled vs Fnatic at ESL | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Concerning the last game, I don't think they really had any other choices in many fights than to solo black hole someone and blow them up. In a bunch of the fights Liquid had an aegis advantage, cheeses, refresher shard on SK, etc. Fights would have been much easier without those. Not sure if the early game needed to go as well as it did for Liquid. Also as far as I recall after the first base defence there seemed to be a time where Fnatic could just take control of the game but then they had some fights where Ursa and Enigma didn't yet have their BKBs and Liquid managed to narrowly win, kill Abed to slow him down and get the 2nd aegis. If Fnatic managed to delay at that point just a bit to get the BKBs and contest the rosh, game could have been far easier. Also in the later fights there were some really close moments like Universe barely missing a 2 man BH and only getting one, which then led to Fnatic clumping up to kill the Naix (who would have died earlier had the BH hit him) and GH getting a massive combo off. | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:35 plasmidghost wrote: No way was that more BM than what Liquid pulled vs Fnatic at ESL I agree it was not as BM as what liquid did at ESL, but liquid got punished for it. SS core is far from being meta unless you are playing 2k mmr games. | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Time to see if they can beat Liquid-1. | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
Even with the improvements i'd say they still have alot of room to grow. They have great cohesion now but sometimes they do this spit decision thing Now the question is that are we gonna get another EE 2nd place meme or beat secret. | ||
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bigbadchen
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
Are they surely gonna end up in the qualifiers now ? How many tournaments are still they in ? | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Fnatic did beat TNC to qualify for SL minor which is in a bit over a week. It's a good chance to get some points. I think the quals to remaining DPC events are pretty much straight after that | ||
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goody153
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plasmidghost
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goody153
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Assuming Fnatic manages to get good points from SL minor next week and hopefully beat at least one of VGJT/LGD, they are right on EG's heels and VGJT isn't out of reach by any means. It just comes down to who performs in those last majors. But obviously Fnatic isn't at Epicenter so Mineski or LGD might get some points from there. But EG and VGJT aren't there either. EG also didn't qualify for MDL. The last majors are not ideal for SEA teams in general. MDL only has 1 slot for SEA and has loads of Chinese teams. ESL might also have only 1 SEA slot unless they invite one of the SEA teams. It's quite a challenge to even win the SEA qualifier. EG got a pretty convenient direct invite to ESL Birmingham right as they started to face some competition in the NA quals though. On April 06 2018 00:36 Mosoball wrote: Any opinions on GESC Thailand inviting Team Admiral to qualifiers over Fnatic? They changed the qualifier schedule after Fnatic and some other teams complained about it so it might be that they are adding more teams to the qualifier and Liquipedia just hasn't been updated with the correct info. Not sure though. Originally I guess there was some weird misunderstanding where GESC people though Fnatic couldn't play in the qual due to some other commitment | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
edit: ok apparently it's changed and it was miscommunication but i only read the initial drama then just forgot about it | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
Regardless, this really does not affect Fnatics TI chances. Winning this tournament was not going to get them into the top 8, they need to do well in a major anyway. And if they can't do well in a major/win the qualis, they really won't do well in TI anyway. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Thats quite a lot... And not sure, why you bring Adam, if you have to first pick him Naga every single game. Its not like his Naga is comparable to a Bulldog NP/LD. | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
On April 16 2018 00:23 mahrgell wrote: But if they would have stopped VGJ from winning the tournament, this could indeed make a difference in the end... Now they got 66 Points and VGJgets 450 if they beat Optic. If Fnatic would have won the tourney with Pie (BIG IF) Fnatic would have gotten 450 points and VGJ only 270. And as VGJ might very well be the #8 cutoff, this are effectively 564 points difference. Thats quite a lot... And not sure, why you bring Adam, if you have to first pick him Naga every single game. Its not like his Naga is comparable to a Bulldog NP/LD. They need to win a major anyway or place second to get top 8. These minors are a good place to gain something and grow as a team. Regardless, winning would have been great, I'm not denying that | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Seems like it was just a temporary thing for whatever reason and PLD is going to be back soon. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
The quals for all the remaining events happen in the next 6 days or whatever. It will most likely come down to multiple Fnatic vs TNC matchups | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
pld drafting ? Interesting him and envy has been playing so many times and the only time he was drafting over him was during the beginning of Kaipi. | ||
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babysimba
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spudde123
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This game is pretty great lol | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Laughing my ass off when CG planted a sentry in their fountain and caught shadowbladed EE walking past, reading EE's clownishness perfectly. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
fucking c9 spirit lives on | ||
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spudde123
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goody153
44119 Posts
On April 20 2018 19:38 spudde123 wrote: First qualifier was a win for Fnatic after a pretty solid 3-1 win over TNC in the finals. It was the least important of the 4 quals that are happening this week, but still pretty promising now that PLD is back and is drafting No more support tinker now plx Although that was a thing in the past but it might be better to give less responsibilities considering he's already Fnatic's major shotcaller already. Afaik that was what he enjoyed about secret | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
On April 23 2018 23:45 plasmidghost wrote: Really doesn't look like Fnatic will get a direct invite to TI at this rate Wasn't counting on it if i'm being honest. Maybe last year Fnatic this year might actually look good but this year we have so many strong teams that weirdly we only have 1 really strong team we can point out that would be consistently be great each tournament.(VP) | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On April 24 2018 05:32 mahrgell wrote: And what makes you so confident, that TnC either qualifies for TI directly or loses to Fnatic at the SEA quals? Because I somehow doubt, that SEA gets 2 qualifier spots... Last year TI had 18 teams and 3 SEA teams, and they have been much better this year. With 8 invites SEA should definitely get 2 qual spots. TNC doesn't have that many points yet but MDL is a very good opportunity for them. Teams like VP and TL are skipping it so the field is maybe a bit easier. It wouldn't be that surprising for them to get solid points. Fnatic probably needs a finals spot from ESL Birmingham to have a chance at top8. But it probably isn't so important. They should make it through the quals pretty comfortably with their current level, and for their sake hopefully they manage to take some steps forward still to contest for top placings in majors. My impression is that their drafting hasn't been all that bad with PLD doing it in the last week. That's somewhat promising. But not sure if their play has really improved from previous events. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
Closest probably would be TNC then followed by Fnatic(not too confident with fnatic seems to be lost as of the moment) | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
If Mineski get an invite and there are two spots for SEA then Fnatic should be fine. If only three SEA teams get to go to TI then there's a big problem. Of course, it all depends on how they organise it. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On April 28 2018 05:46 FuzzyJAM wrote: 7.5% sounds generous. If Mineski get an invite and there are two spots for SEA then Fnatic should be fine. If only three SEA teams get to go to TI then there's a big problem. Of course, it all depends on how they organise it. How would three teams be a problem? Odds are Fnatic Mineski and TNC would be the three. I don't see any other SEA team coming close | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On April 28 2018 06:20 IyMoon wrote: How would three teams be a problem? Odds are Fnatic Mineski and TNC would be the three. I don't see any other SEA team coming close Yeah, meant to say if only two teams go, sorry. Which would mean two SEA qualifiers but no direct invite, or a direct invite and only one SEA qualifier spot. I think it's pretty likely that SEA get two qualifier spots whatever, but not three. Which means fans of Fnatic, TNC, and Mineski should be supporting each other. If any of them get a direct invite then I think all three are likely to get to TI. If none of them do, one will probably miss out, or have to go to some sort of wildcard. | ||
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
Fnatic or TNC can also secure invite if they can get top 2 (for Fnatic) or win (for TNC, or 2 top 2) in majors given that the top 5-6 DPC teams are not dropping out before top 4 in every tournament suddenly. Problem is Fnatic has only 1 more major to play and I guess TNC 2 more. Still, TNC and Fnatic should qualify easy given that SEA has 2 slots which should be there, considering only SEA and NA will actually have more than 1 team in qualifiers who can be dark horses to make it to the top 3 in TI on paper. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 12 2018 20:41 FuzzyJAM wrote: Lost to freaking VGJ.S? Haven't seen the games yet, but c'mon Fnatic... VGJ.Storm is playing well, but Fnatic didn't seem that well prepared and then didn't play well. They got outdrafted in game 1 and outplayed in game 2. | ||
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
Last chance for Fnatic to earn a TI invite, and they need atleast 2nd place to stay in contention. This basically means that Fnatic would need 3 or 4 BO3 wins at ESL. Won't be easy, but not impossible by any means. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
As much as i'd want them to succeed i bet Optic/OG is gonna beat them when they shouldn't. This kind of bracket happened many times already and they still disappoint It'll be a happy surprise if they managed to reach the finals though. That's potentially the best they could do this tournament | ||
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
That game 3 vs Optic was over in ~ 10 mins. Fnatic just ignored top where EE spec was up against lycan and bane. Lycan had almost double the cs of the next hero at the end of laning stage, & spec had the lowest cs among core. They played pathetic & they deserved this loss. Even in TI I don't think they will do anything substantial coz its not patch or meta that hinders this team. This team just lacks the sheer will & focus to win big games. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
I think they'll make it to TI but will mostly likely be part of the bottom half of the placings. You know the annual c9 collapse and all that. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
That was with a favorable bracket that's why I'm so disappointed and they could've gotten top 2. I always follow EE teams and hope but I also have a backup team to follow since every TI they seem to detonate no matter how good they are pre-TI | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On May 28 2018 09:06 goody153 wrote: Its expected they likely won't win but they've recently had easier brackets like the recent esl but they couldnt just seal the deal That was with a favorable bracket that's why I'm so disappointed and they could've gotten top 2. I always follow EE teams and hope but I also have a backup team to follow since every TI they seem to detonate no matter how good they are pre-TI I second this, nothing's going to stop me form cheering for EE but I'm also being pragmatic just from their recent results | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Aezo-
Canada378 Posts
but as long as they get abed & DJ some of their stronger heroes they should be able to go on a run | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
I thought as the group stages progresses this would be EE breaks the record but they still managed to get eclipsed by some team. And they're in the same position as last year again Kinda disappointing but I really hoped it would be different this time ( can still be different but probably not) Ah well there's always next year | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On August 21 2018 13:28 Mosoball wrote: Well fellas, Fnatic did their best. Here's hoping for a calm shuffle with little to no drama! The thing is I don't believe this was true at all, at least where that bo1 game was concerned. It comes back to this: On August 21 2018 02:05 Aezo- wrote: but as long as they get abed & DJ some of their stronger heroes they should be able to go on a run You know what didn't happen? That^. Seriously, Phoenix? Visage? The former is not a hero that DJ should be playing and the latter has dubious impact in the current meta. Coupled with a poor Ursa matchup and the whole draft was just out of character on top of being straight dogshit. | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
On August 21 2018 13:41 DucK- wrote: Can only blame the group stage chokes... Went from almost obliterating liquid and PPD even saying he got worried at start as they looked the team that would win TI Into whatever mess they were at the end. Welp it's kinda there was never a doubt in my mind when it came what they would end up in TI I'll still follow EEs team tho | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
First few minutes of that time were blown because PLD died when dewarding and after that Abed got caught being way too forward next to Serenity's ancients despite him just seeing multiple Serenity players killing PLD close to him (and got reapered for extra respawn time) and DJ died trying to save him. After that Fnatic tried to force a fight next to Serenity's T1 which they took really badly, got no spells off properly and got wiped. I think at that time they easily could have won the fight if they just had taken it better. Then they would have got 2 free towers, Ursa would have soon had his BKB, etc. Not to mention that Gyro only got his BKB and Necro got his Lotus Orb around that time because of those 3 kills Fnatic gave away earlier. Had Fnatic not given those up, they would have been able to take a fight with aegis without Serenity having those items. Instead Serenity got pretty far ahead and the game got really hard to play for Fnatic. Well it'll be interesting to see what happens with the players. You never really know with players that switch regions whether they want to do it longer term or no. I like PLD but not sure if him and EE on the same team is for the best anymore. If EE is going to stay as captain I'd probably prefer him to move to 5 and for them to recruit a carry. From the perspective of Fnatic they probably want to keep Abed and DJ around considering they've been a SEA team for a long time and those 2 are some of the best in the region. I assume they will also consider their options and whether they can recruit some other captain for example, but that's always easier said than done. Universe probably would prefer to play in NA but it's unclear whether there will be any good openings for him | ||
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Sapaio
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On August 21 2018 19:19 Sapaio wrote: I was shocked when they interviewed the coach (aui) before the match and he said they drafted the strongest team in the meta(in Fnatics view after scrims before TI), and when asked about Serenity's draft he couldn't remember it, because only his teams draft did. With that kind of attitude and approach to Dota you deserve to loss, there isn't one strongest team in Dota as it depends on what you face up against. There is a reason there are over 100 heroes. I agree. It was shocking to me that their approach to a bo1 was: let's get the heroes that we used in scrims. I unterstand that picking comfort heroes is nice, but to completely neglect the meta or your opponent 's draft is borderline suicidal to me. Aui couldn't even recall Serenity's draft at all. | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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SeethingErmine
United States25 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Phoenix and Mirana specifically are meta heroes that Fnatic wasn't picking in the start of the event, so to say they are ignoring the meta is also a bit of a stretch. In general I think people downplay the draft too much as if it was unplayable. Fnatic could easily have won that game imo despite the early game going worse than probably expected with Fnatic gifting their courier. They just didn't manage to use their aegis timing at all, and instead it went badly enough that Serenity got way ahead. And it wasn't because their Phoenix was countered or whatever, they just got caught badly out of position first and the first 2-3 minutes of the aegis went away. Then they tried to force a fight and took it really badly. Ursa's initiation didn't go according to plan, Bane, Mirana and Visage didn't get any disables off and instead clumped up to the calldown and Tiny combo. Like if you watch the fight, it ends up being a complete disaster but if for example PLD had walked a few steps to the left instead of up he could have just disabled the Lina who killed the egg alone, and it could have been almost a wipe in Fnatic's favor. And of course there's many other things they could have done better so not trying to point a finger at him but it's just an example of how they could have easily taken a significant advantage with even slightly better execution. There are certain moments in the game when you are strong and you have to be able to capitalize if you want to win, and they just screwed it up. The draft then ends up looking far worse because Fnatic missed their strong point completely. Even Phoenix looks very different as a hero if instead of getting caught out Fnatic stays composed, takes a proper fight with the aegis, gets a few towers, etc. At that point Ursa and Visage are getting items and the Phoenix can serve as a backline sustain hero to them instead of having to fly in and try an optimistic ult because of them being behind. | ||
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SeethingErmine
United States25 Posts
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goody153
44119 Posts
On August 21 2018 19:19 Sapaio wrote: I was shocked when they interviewed the coach (aui) before the match and he said they drafted the strongest team in the meta(in Fnatics view after scrims before TI), and when asked about Serenity's draft he couldn't remember it, because only his teams draft did. With that kind of attitude and approach to Dota you deserve to loss, there isn't one strongest team in Dota as it depends on what you face up against. There is a reason there are over 100 heroes. Yeah this kinda urked me as well. I do not think they had this mentality before that match as their drafts in the group stages especially the earlier ones looked like they picked natural counters to the enemy draft. And they even had some drafts that were literally meant to dismantle the enemy draft. And they did that against serenity like they already lost hope before the match. They just picked heroes they're confident with like some ranked match. On August 22 2018 11:07 SeethingErmine wrote: Necro was something the analysts mentioned, everyone was first phase banning it against them or first picking it themselves if not banned. Optic banned it first each game in their LB match, for example. Sure Fnatic still could have won with the draft, but they gave Serenity every chance to play their best, needlessly. They felt like they're playing to lose tbh. Bah incredibly disappointing. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On August 22 2018 11:07 SeethingErmine wrote: Necro was something the analysts mentioned, everyone was first phase banning it against them or first picking it themselves if not banned. Optic banned it first each game in their LB match, for example. Sure Fnatic still could have won with the draft, but they gave Serenity every chance to play their best, needlessly. Necro has been picked or banned in every single one of Optic's games at TI and I wouldn't say they are known for it either. Seems to me that it's just a hero that pretty much all teams prioritize relatively highly, and Optic themselves often don't want to play against it and have 1st banned it many times. Fnatic on the other hand haven't been 1st banning Necro that much and the two times they played against early Necro picks in the groups they won pretty easily. They don't seem as scared of the hero as some other teams are. Of course one can argue that Fnatic should have picked different things. But it's hard to know from the outside how they feel about things because we don't know how much they've won or lost with certain things in scrims for example. I just disagree with the narrative some people are pulling from Aui's interview that Fnatic was ignoring their opponent when clearly their bans were directly targeted to Serenity. And also I disagree with really blaming the draft when they had the tools to win and they screwed up so many things in the actual game. Play wise I think it was one of their worst games of the tournament. | ||
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nuketurnal2
62 Posts
On August 22 2018 02:23 spudde123 wrote: Not sure where this "Serenity is known for Necro" comes from given that they played Necro 1 time in groups. Most teams in the tournament have been picking Necro so it's not like it's a surprise to see it picked. Also I think people interpret the Aui interview a bit wrongly. Fnatic can make reasonable predictions about what Serenity might go for in the first phase and their plan is likely built based on that. It seems fine to me to scrim some of those heroes you might pick the day before. You can see this preparation for example in the PL 1st ban. Serenity showed in groups 4 times that they aren't afraid of 1st phasing that hero, and if Fnatic wants to open with Mirana+Bane (and is even considering Phoenix to give good teamfight) it seems like a fine approach. Fnatic also 1st banned Nyx, which is something Serenity has liked to play. Phoenix and Mirana specifically are meta heroes that Fnatic wasn't picking in the start of the event, so to say they are ignoring the meta is also a bit of a stretch. In general I think people downplay the draft too much as if it was unplayable. Fnatic could easily have won that game imo despite the early game going worse than probably expected with Fnatic gifting their courier. They just didn't manage to use their aegis timing at all, and instead it went badly enough that Serenity got way ahead. And it wasn't because their Phoenix was countered or whatever, they just got caught badly out of position first and the first 2-3 minutes of the aegis went away. Then they tried to force a fight and took it really badly. Ursa's initiation didn't go according to plan, Bane, Mirana and Visage didn't get any disables off and instead clumped up to the calldown and Tiny combo. Like if you watch the fight, it ends up being a complete disaster but if for example PLD had walked a few steps to the left instead of up he could have just disabled the Lina who killed the egg alone, and it could have been almost a wipe in Fnatic's favor. And of course there's many other things they could have done better so not trying to point a finger at him but it's just an example of how they could have easily taken a significant advantage with even slightly better execution. There are certain moments in the game when you are strong and you have to be able to capitalize if you want to win, and they just screwed it up. The draft then ends up looking far worse because Fnatic missed their strong point completely. Even Phoenix looks very different as a hero if instead of getting caught out Fnatic stays composed, takes a proper fight with the aegis, gets a few towers, etc. At that point Ursa and Visage are getting items and the Phoenix can serve as a backline sustain hero to them instead of having to fly in and try an optimistic ult because of them being behind. i second this | ||
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uthgard
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
ie. no halberd usage from phoenix on that major fight @mid, or abed not blocking the max-fiery soul lina pumping at the egg by using familiars. it just goes to show how chaotic that game was and how it did not work in their favour. often you see difficult execution in high pressure games, presumably because that's what they feel it will take to win. this loss was on each one of them individually and that is what skill is all about: managing ingame expectations and then capitalizing on mistakes to the maximum. i feel they drafted knowing their opponents were full of holes. in that game, so were they. DJ did not egg on his phoenix expecting to die and having completed his job in doing so. that much is obvious. he used his ultimate thinking it was good when it was not. he wasn't given a large margin of error, it was a quite small one in order for things to work out as the game progressed. if you were to give both sides the chance to play that game again, quite certain fnatic wins 9/10 times with tighter play than they showed that day, i think DJ, EE, and PLD are the most disappointed in their play, in that order. | ||
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nuketurnal2
62 Posts
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korendir
Singapore259 Posts
On October 01 2018 21:36 nuketurnal2 wrote: no Fnatic in ESL Hamburg qualifier? they might possibly be only targeting DPC tournaments? Not sure though | ||
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nuketurnal2
62 Posts
On October 04 2018 00:11 korendir wrote: they might possibly be only targeting DPC tournaments? Not sure though hmmm they are joining a non DPC tournament later though - PVP Championships | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
+ Moon, 23savage - Abed, DuBu Super excited to see what 23savage can do but not sure if the Moon pickup is an upgrade or not. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Archeon
3253 Posts
Moon should help stabilizing them a bit, which can only be a good thing for them. The team is stacked with playmakers anyways. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
On September 05 2019 02:38 Archeon wrote: I got the impression that Abed peaks high but averages low while Moon averages higher but peaks lower. Abed has a lot of mechanical skill and is probably the better laner, but in terms of midgame and lategame positioning Moon is much more stable. Moon should help stabilizing them a bit, which can only be a good thing for them. The team is stacked with playmakers anyways. I agree with this. For all the hype around Abed he’s never been as stable or reliable as Ahjit or Moon. Heck, there’s an argument to be made that MP has peaked higher than Abed after his DreamLeague Major performance. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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