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On September 08 2014 05:10 Murkinlol wrote:
PPD's drafting is so OP
EG's hero pool so OP.
What other team plays position 3, 4, and 5 jakiro, 1 and 5 naga, multiple roles on pugna, sven, enigma, shadow shaman... the list goes on and on, and it seems every single one of their heroes is played by more than one of their players. It makes their drafts so hard to pin down to anything, and lets PPD play these games where C9 is wondering whether it's universe tide offlane and rtz position 1 naga, or fear naga in a tide/jak trilane or who the fuck knows what.
The fact that that particular game ended up with a safelane farming tide, a support naga, an offlane dual lane with a farming enigma, and a pugna mid is just a testament to how many ways EG is prepared to play their drafts. Don't get me wrong; PPD's drafts are awesome, but that's in large part because of the players he's working with and the depth of their hero pools.
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On September 08 2014 05:24 Fleetfeet wrote:EG's hero pool so OP. What other team plays position 3, 4, and 5 jakiro, 1 and 5 naga, multiple roles on pugna, sven, enigma, shadow shaman... the list goes on and on, and it seems every single one of their heroes is played by more than one of their players. It makes their drafts so hard to pin down to anything, and lets PPD play these games where C9 is wondering whether it's universe tide offlane and rtz position 1 naga, or fear naga in a tide/jak trilane or who the fuck knows what. The fact that that particular game ended up with a safelane farming tide, a support naga, an offlane dual lane with a farming enigma, and a pugna mid is just a testament to how many ways EG is prepared to play their drafts. Don't get me wrong; PPD's drafts are awesome, but that's in large part because of the players he's working with and the depth of their hero pools.
Yeah you hit the nail on the head. I think it was PPD who was saying he wanted the team to be more flexible and the players to learn new heroes/roles. With the return of fear it gives them so many options and fear hasn't lost a step. EG are going to have a good year.
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On September 08 2014 05:24 Fleetfeet wrote:EG's hero pool so OP. What other team plays position 3, 4, and 5 jakiro, 1 and 5 naga, multiple roles on pugna, sven, enigma, shadow shaman... the list goes on and on, and it seems every single one of their heroes is played by more than one of their players. It makes their drafts so hard to pin down to anything, and lets PPD play these games where C9 is wondering whether it's universe tide offlane and rtz position 1 naga, or fear naga in a tide/jak trilane or who the fuck knows what. The fact that that particular game ended up with a safelane farming tide, a support naga, an offlane dual lane with a farming enigma, and a pugna mid is just a testament to how many ways EG is prepared to play their drafts. Don't get me wrong; PPD's drafts are awesome, but that's in large part because of the players he's working with and the depth of their hero pools.
thats the crazy thing, its not just that they can play so many different heroes, its that each of them can play so many of the same heroes. "Oh that Sven is totally for Fear. Oh wait thats Universe wrecking face on Sven instead..."
Just keeps other teams on their toes non stop
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so guys what do you think of our old man's comeback tournament?
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I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c
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EG is going to be best in a West for a while. And I think Arteezy is actually underrated these days as far as game impact goes.
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On September 09 2014 14:00 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:
EG is going to be best in a West for a while. And I think Arteezy is actually underrated these days as far as game impact goes.
AGREE
Any1 says RTZ is not good or overrated or blabla...is stupid or never watch eg ( sadboys) plays.
RTZ is a monster, i watched every game of EG and u know what, he win mid everytime, even in some game he got killed many times he is still winner coz other team uses 2 or 3 ( most of time are 3) heroes to shut him down, do u c that last game vs C9 when he play Pugna and they need 3 heroes to shut RTZ down at mid and fail 2 times give EG a big advantage to death ball to win at 13 mins.
I must say RTZ is the core of NEW EG team, with him and 4 good players any team can win any tournament ( MLG with C9 is a good example), and remind every1 RTZ, FEAR and UNIVERSE created SADBOYS team with ZAI/PPD try out and RTZ find the best partners for his play style that make this EG team so strong nowadays.
if RTZ stay with C9 after they win MLG instead of BONE7, C9 will be much stronger too, they were so impressive vs DK(that is strongest DK we are talking about).
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So much potential.
I'll make sure to watch every EG replay, holy shit
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On September 09 2014 19:17 dungsieu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 14:00 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:
EG is going to be best in a West for a while. And I think Arteezy is actually underrated these days as far as game impact goes. AGREE Any1 says RTZ is not good or overrated or blabla...is stupid or never watch eg ( sadboys) plays. RTZ is a monster, i watched every game of EG and u know what, he win mid everytime, even in some game he got killed many times he is still winner coz other team uses 2 or 3 ( most of time are 3) heroes to shut him down, do u c that last game vs C9 when he play Pugna and they need 3 heroes to shut RTZ down at mid and fail 2 times give EG a big advantage to death ball to win at 13 mins. I must say RTZ is the core of NEW EG team, with him and 4 good players any team can win any tournament ( MLG with C9 is a good example), and remind every1 RTZ, FEAR and UNIVERSE created SADBOYS team with ZAI/PPD try out and RTZ find the best partners for his play style that make this EG team so strong nowadays. if RTZ stay with C9 after they win MLG instead of BONE7, C9 will be much stronger too, they were so impressive vs DK(that is strongest DK we are talking about).
RTZ wins his lane a lot which is very important. But don't kid yourself saying that with him and 4 good players can win any tournament. He is a great player and if left unchecked he will snowball out of control. But, don't forget how teams learned to beat EG in the past, was to shut RTZ down and ward the jungle so zai couldn't get farm and ignore Mason. Now with Fear/Universe/Zai being so flexible, if you dedicate to shutting down RTZ, the others on the team will destroy you because of the farm they have.
As far as RTZ staying with C9, i think that there might have been issues arise if RTZ stayed. Remember Bone7 was their offlane player and RTZ pushed their mid to offlane to win MLG. I'm not sure the personalities would be ok with that for an extended period of time.
That is what makes EG so unique. PPD is going to get zero farm priority every single game. Outside of that, who knows how they are going to lane or who is going to play which hero.
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On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c
I think that's a bit premature. Alliance was definitely way strong comparatively as well as 2010 ehome.
EG is really strong now, but The true test is when 6.82 comes out. In Dota we've seen omnipotent juggernauts crumble with the advent of a new patch. That's the true test of a legacy of a dota team, is how well you adapt to patches.
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On September 09 2014 19:17 dungsieu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 14:00 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:
EG is going to be best in a West for a while. And I think Arteezy is actually underrated these days as far as game impact goes. AGREE Any1 says RTZ is not good or overrated or blabla...is stupid or never watch eg ( sadboys) plays. RTZ is a monster, i watched every game of EG and u know what, he win mid everytime, even in some game he got killed many times he is still winner coz other team uses 2 or 3 ( most of time are 3) heroes to shut him down, do u c that last game vs C9 when he play Pugna and they need 3 heroes to shut RTZ down at mid and fail 2 times give EG a big advantage to death ball to win at 13 mins. I must say RTZ is the core of NEW EG team, with him and 4 good players any team can win any tournament ( MLG with C9 is a good example), and remind every1 RTZ, FEAR and UNIVERSE created SADBOYS team with ZAI/PPD try out and RTZ find the best partners for his play style that make this EG team so strong nowadays. if RTZ stay with C9 after they win MLG instead of BONE7, C9 will be much stronger too, they were so impressive vs DK(that is strongest DK we are talking about).
He was playing Pugna though, and it's not like Pugna is a crap solo mid. It's not like he did anything special in the failed ganks on him. In a sense, sometimes the stuff he do get overhyped for no good reason like what you just did.
Still he is a good player no doubt. His team creates all the space for him, and they can trust him fully to perform his job, and he certainly delivers.
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On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c
Very few rational arguments that can back this up, so it just ends up reeking of "usa usa". EG isn't anywhere near dominating their peers in the way that Ehome, Na'Vi and Alliance did in their respective eras.
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EG is like a perfect team.
i remember in an interview that it was only Fear and RTZ who were the sure member of the new EG when they were creating it so i think in Fear's mind, he was creating a team around RTZ given his potential. Universe, Zai, PPD and fluff were try outs. getting Universe was no brainer given his consistency and experience. he also said that he wanted to play with Fear since they view the game the same way.. at this point they have RTZ as a potent player they revolve their team around with along with 2 of the most consistent and experienced player in the West.
for me Zai was as potent as RTZ when it comes to skill and talent and also was soo passionate playing the game. i remember Grandgrant saying the Zai love playing the game so much that he was willing to play/learn support coming from an offlane all his playing career. also the team trusting him right off the bat with that probably saw the potential in him.
now what they need is a ingame captain since that was what they really need since after Maelk left EG, like a willing captain/captain by nature. PPD was a risk i thought coz of his limited exp in dota but since he was close to Zai, they can be a perfect duo. but i think what really made him to Eg was willigness to take responsilibity and desire to just lead a team and just reach the top no matter what. i remember him in an interview saying they picked him coz of his leadership skills but his interview in LO3 confirmed it's more than that. slasher and DJWheat was impressed with him.
so yeah, you have 2 prodigies in the team, 2 of the most experienced and consistent (and level headed) veterans from the West, a captain the can lead them harness their full potential as a team, 5 of the most hungry players. i say hungry because for the time Fear and Universe stayed in the scene, given how good they are, they were really unfortunate not to accomplish anything great. PPD said that he really wants to prove something coming to the Dota scene. and then we have these 2 young guns.. i just wish this team doesnt get serious internal issues. they have a good manager so the chance of that happening is slim.
they look very good now. the versatility is unbelievable. only time will tell but the future looks very bright for this team. after all those heartbreaks, we finally have an EG roster that can always compete and not worry of throws every time. (although somehow i also miss it lol). 100% LAN winrate with Fear boys
S A D B O Y S
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Yea PPD is very important since Fear was a terrible captain. His selfless style also compliments the greedy nature of his #2 and #4.
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On September 10 2014 00:15 Demand2k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c Very few rational arguments that can back this up, so it just ends up reeking of "usa usa". EG isn't anywhere near dominating their peers in the way that Ehome, Na'Vi and Alliance did in their respective eras.
"Very few rational arguments that can back this up..."
You should learn how to say 'I disagree' without implying that the other party is strictly wrong and/or irrational.
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On September 10 2014 02:25 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2014 00:15 Demand2k wrote:On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c Very few rational arguments that can back this up, so it just ends up reeking of "usa usa". EG isn't anywhere near dominating their peers in the way that Ehome, Na'Vi and Alliance did in their respective eras. "Very few rational arguments that can back this up..." You should learn how to say 'I disagree' without implying that the other party is strictly wrong and/or irrational.
I disagree.
+ Show Spoiler +As strong a statement as "X is best at Y ever" without anything backing it up cetainly deserves a challenge as strongly worded as the statement itself. Implying someone is saying something irrational is a perfectly fine response to an irrational statement
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On September 10 2014 03:33 msl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2014 02:25 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:On September 10 2014 00:15 Demand2k wrote:On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c Very few rational arguments that can back this up, so it just ends up reeking of "usa usa". EG isn't anywhere near dominating their peers in the way that Ehome, Na'Vi and Alliance did in their respective eras. "Very few rational arguments that can back this up..." You should learn how to say 'I disagree' without implying that the other party is strictly wrong and/or irrational. I disagree. + Show Spoiler +As strong a statement as "X is best at Y ever" without anything backing it up cetainly deserves a challenge as strongly worded as the statement itself. Implying someone is saying something irrational is a perfectly fine response to an irrational statement
Such a delightfully precocious response!
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On September 10 2014 00:15 Demand2k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c Very few rational arguments that can back this up, so it just ends up reeking of "usa usa". EG isn't anywhere near dominating their peers in the way that Ehome, Na'Vi and Alliance did in their respective eras.
To be fair he didn't say EG was the most dominant team that ever existed, just the best.
For example, Messi could be called the best player to ever play football, that doesn't mean he was more dominant than Pele or Maradona.
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On September 10 2014 05:22 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2014 00:15 Demand2k wrote:On September 09 2014 04:40 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I think this EG team is the strongest team that has ever existed in dota 2.
2c Very few rational arguments that can back this up, so it just ends up reeking of "usa usa". EG isn't anywhere near dominating their peers in the way that Ehome, Na'Vi and Alliance did in their respective eras. To be fair he didn't say EG was the most dominant team that ever existed, just the best. For example, Messi could be called the best player to ever play football, that doesn't mean he was more dominant than Pele or Maradona.
The history of Dota 2 is quite short boys.
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The only thing the current EG roster has done is win a premiere LAN while looking moderately convincing
This is pretty far removed from what Alliance looked like post G1 or DK post starladder. Both those teams won arguably more stacked LAN without dropping a single game while showcasing an entirely new brand of dota
While they look like the strongest team in the world at the moment, best ever is something EG is not even close to be in contention for yet
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