Interesting stuff:

envy doesn't like drafting cause he doesn't like the responsibility of it .. he prefers that somebody else drafted and that's what always happens at the start is they have a designated drafter like notail or fata or pld but later on it doesn't work out and he is forced to draft for the team. (basically he's doing like the burning role in drafting back on DK days where if they need somebody to solidly draft he is forced to draft). He also says in the previous it was the carry patch so all he has to do was draft for lategame and everything is fine however in the new patch he says he's clueless how to draft on the carry perspective that's why they had to switch up. He also thinks he's not a great drafter it just ends up that way all the time where he has to draft for the team.

Envy's answer to the difference between the c9 with PLD+aui and notail+misery. Is that the new roster is less emo and higher individual skill however the new roster has problems is that back on the old roster he believes that Aui and him had similar thinking towards the lategame. And what happens is that whenever envy starts leading the team lategame (cause he's the carry) whenever somebody objects Aui would just go "stfu just listen to envy" basically Aui has faith on envy's lategame calls however on the new team nobody has ever done that for him so in the lategame except for bone7 but he would only say that after the game he would go like "you guys should just listen to envy".

Also envy blogs are getting to the point where even MDL tournament organizers ask him if the tournament is handled well and shit.

and "ARMREST MATTER SO MUCCHHHH!" rofl every mdl chair had armrest lol

shouldbeworking

946 Posts

June 13 2015 03:11 GMT

#944

Thank you for that summary. Also this hilarious quote came out from the interview. http://i.imgur.com/Dco1w8E.jpg

Sabu113

United States11047 Posts

June 13 2015 23:06 GMT

#945

You are a hero Goody.

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

June 16 2015 14:15 GMT

#946

Well boys, no Bonechan for seeding matches. Not too worried about the drafting since Envy can do it competently enough, but its going to be interesting to see who is the stand-in. Qojqva maybe? Or Rime perhaps, since he's a good friend of Fata-

lolnoty

United States7166 Posts

June 16 2015 16:29 GMT

#947

I wonder if they even need a standin. Like if they just forfeit every match for the seeding tournament does it matter? no one gets eliminated, and realistically, none of the top teams are going to choose c9 anyway.

It's kind of silly of ESL to say he can't play from online when the matches actually don't really matter that much.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

June 16 2015 16:31 GMT

#948

The best part is that the seeding tournament is double elim like a real tournament but is 100% irrelevant and as soon as ur playing games that matter its back to retarded single elim xd

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

June 16 2015 16:53 GMT

#949

On June 17 2015 01:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
The best part is that the seeding tournament is double elim like a real tournament but is 100% irrelevant and as soon as ur playing games that matter its back to retarded single elim xd

Yeah, they could have used the extra days to run a double elim, and played out the first round of the upper bracket off stage, play the rest of the matches on stage.

C9 probably doesnt mind this format though, since they don't have bone7 for the first few days.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

June 16 2015 16:53 GMT

#950

I think ur confusing ESL with people who might have an idea of how to run a dota tournament

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

June 16 2015 16:55 GMT

#951

On June 17 2015 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think ur confusing ESL with people who might have an idea of how to run a dota tournament

"The format was decided after talking to players"

I would like to know which ones though xD

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 16 2015 17:17 GMT

#952

bone7 probably wouldn't have booked the dentist appointments like this if the tournament was longer. If I understood the situation correctly the seeding tournament was relatively short notice and many players only found out about it whenever it was announced publicly. I think they originally assumed that the tournament starts on Saturday so he would have time to get it over with. Of course he probably could have rescheduled, but who knows when the next slot would have been for him and at the very least it would have been after ESL and then it interrupts c9's preparations for TI.

But missing the seeding matches doesn't even seem like that big of a deal. Of course it would be nice for c9 if they could face Alliance or something in the quarter finals, but who knows what order the teams will be in after a few bo1 games.

I can understand seeding being very important for a single elim tournament, but what I don't understand is how does anyone think that doing a bo1 double elim bracket is a better way to do seeding than using the results of every tournament of the past 6 months or whatever. Assuming the bracket is right in Liquipedia (the double elim bracket isn't played until the end, wb finalists are the top2 seeds), you only need to win 2xbo1 to guarantee a top2 seed.

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

June 16 2015 19:53 GMT

#953

I mean getting a good seeding might very well be the difference between facing Secret/EG in the first round and finishing bottom 4, vs beating Alliance/VP in the first round and finishing top 4.

Single elim is just a terrible format.

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 16 2015 20:29 GMT

#954

A good seed helps, but the difference whether c9 is 5th-8th or 3rd-4th isn't that big imo, have to beat top teams to reach the finals anyway. And my point was that even if you do decently in the seeding event there's no guarantee that you will actually get a favorable opponent first round. The bracket is all bo1 and who knows how much each team cares, so we may see some pretty random results.

Anyway it seems that Pas is standing in for c9 in the seeding event.

Kabras

Romania3508 Posts

June 16 2015 20:54 GMT

#955

On June 17 2015 01:55 Piledriver wrote:

Show nested quote +

"The format was decided after talking to players"

I would like to know which ones though xD

in any case i don't think they asked ppd :D

plasmidghost

Belgium16168 Posts

June 16 2015 21:56 GMT

#956

I will one day return to my boys in blue when the Secret bandwagon dies down, and I hope they win ESL Frankfurt!

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

June 16 2015 22:50 GMT

#957

On June 17 2015 06:56 plasmidghost wrote:
I will one day return to my boys in blue when the Secret bandwagon dies down, and I hope they win ESL Frankfurt!

Dirty bandwagon hopper

. Abandoning the followers of the Kami-sama.

Lancehead

Canada123 Posts

June 16 2015 23:22 GMT

#958

The top 3 seeds get to pick their opponents out of 5-8, right? Plus, there are 3 teams in this tournament that are clearly weaker than the rest (Alliance, Fnatic, and VP; although they are certainly capable of upsetting some of the stronger teams). Even if C9 doesn't make the top 3, it's highly unlikely that they would get picked, so they would end up playing the 4th seed anyways.

Basically, it's either 1-3 or bust. 4-8 doesn't really matter.

Alpino

Brazil4390 Posts

June 17 2015 05:28 GMT

#959

On June 17 2015 07:50 Piledriver wrote:

Show nested quote +

Dirty bandwagon hopper

. Abandoning the followers of the Kami-sama.

As for me, my selflessness is so admirable that I managed to stop bandwagoning Secret right before Red Bull Battleground. No regrets