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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
If I spoke russian I would reference things Artstyle lobbed against puppey as well, but I can't remember the details of that stuff. Then there's the time when Kuro was made the bad guy for finally trying to have a coup and kick puppey behind his back. It feels like a recurring issue with puppey. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Lt Kilgore
Sweden11 Posts
On October 10 2016 19:53 spudde123 wrote: Not sure what there could even be that Secret or Puppey could say at this point to make it all seem fine. The evidence of terrible mishandling of money is pretty overwhelming at this point and it isn't just something EE said. Of course you can dispute what was said about Puppey and his actions (which is partly why I feel even bringing that side up is a bit questionable, it doesn't really benefit anyone if people start publicly flaming each other) but I feel the players not getting their money is the far more serious issue anyway. I agree, but i can't even remember how many times in my life where i have read something dramatically similar to this and thought "holy shit this guy is so bad" only later to have to correct my opinion on many things once the other party revealed it's side of the story. I believe this is a very important part of judging anyone or any situation in life, even if things look bad you gotta listen to the other side as well. I bet there are a lot of things that will be cleared up once Puppey and/or Secret decides to share information, still though, there are some things that he probably cannot justify having done. | ||
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Lt Kilgore
Sweden11 Posts
On October 10 2016 20:05 k0pf wrote: I totally agree with you, in general. But seeing how the "first" drama about secret not paying it's players was "handled" with just not saying anything at all until everyone forgot, I tend to just take EEs (and miserys) word for the truth. Yeah, sadly i feel like this has been e-sport standard for many years in counter strike and starcraft and probably many other games. It's sad how greedy a lot of people are. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On October 10 2016 18:57 Lt Kilgore wrote: This looks very bad indeed, but always remember to not judge until you have let both parties have their say in the matter. With that said, Puppey should feel the pressure on giving a statement as soon as possible, time is not his friend right now. puppey's response is probably that its a necessary evil to take a cut from the players (and etc) and its better off if they (and everyone else) don't know about it. having an unusually self-confident/narcissistic/non-humble personality will lend to things like this. you only really see the result of things like that when such a personality is coupled with strong natural charisma and of course also with success. i know someone who is freakin self-confident as shit, highly charismatic, and he doesn't really care about morality/transparency/equality/etc because he can just get by with lies and being liked by people and just get what he wants doing it that way and loves the power of it. then you got the people who have traits surrounding control and being questioned by others. i know someone who will literally push you out the way when he walks past just to assert physical dominance to people he wants to know that they are weaker than him. and when you try to joke with him, if he regards you as lesser than him than he won't take it as a joke but just talk you down instead. these neurotic , primal traits of being the dominant person , at the expense of other things such as a will towards mutual respect or a will to enable your fellow people rather than control them probably this shit is learned behaviour from parents who come from a narrow-minded, macho background. on the other side of the spectrum you got envy who grew up with anime and anime themes are usually the opposite of that macho shit (anime themes are like, "we must do our best to help one another!!<3<3"). (you can throw in alcohol to make things worse because it hinders any sort of improvements/growth over time.) i'm not saying these traits are what make or break a person, i'm just saying that they do exist and its important to be aware of how peoples basic human behaviour can differ so greatly | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
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Barkley
Brazil103 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 10 2016 22:22 Barkley wrote: lmao is this serious? How can you be a respected leader when you threaten others with violence if they slightly disagree with you? This is a new all time low. Hey it works in the military and politics. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On October 10 2016 21:37 FFGenerations wrote: puppey's response is probably that its a necessary evil to take a cut from the players (and etc) and its better off if they (and everyone else) don't know about it. I doubt anyone in their right mind would actually say that. "I'm taking your money and its better off for you if you don't know about it" would be lol-worthy. I expect something more along the lines of "why are you surprised? Even if it was never stated out loud, it should have been obvious Secret would get a cut". | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
Probably it it better for him to lay low, damage control. And tourneys should start to pay to players instead of organizations. It makes more sense for teams to chase after the tourney price cut instead of players chase their hard earned money. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
Secret and Kemal will probably get sponsors, if he is half-decent business man and not as things seems to suggest; incompetent. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
you look a greater man than you actually are. you look to care about people even when that's the last thing on your mind. but you get to say things and make waves when you want (and it benefits you). you get to apologize when you want. you get to have fans who think of you and intimate relationships with people you want, too. it takes a genius to make a persona they like and to become it for a greater part of life, and puppey, a genius, he is not. merely a human, and one of the smaller reasons or examples as to why i will never truly understand devout fandom. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10876 Posts
On October 10 2016 22:53 Sbrubbles wrote: I doubt anyone in their right mind would actually say that. "I'm taking your money and its better off for you if you don't know about it" would be lol-worthy. I expect something more along the lines of "why are you surprised? Even if it was never stated out loud, it should have been obvious Secret would get a cut". This so much screams "Russian/Easterneuropean corruption/Business practises". These people playing for such sums is just beyond stupid... Even if the contracts would be hard to enforce, at least make one, even a bad one is better than none at all. | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
This turkish guy is a business man, really? In EEs post it feels like he is on vacation 24/7 and not running a business. I am not shocked about ppy, I knew he is that kind of guy, just watch the interviews. I also knew secret is not paying people - but not being able to fullfil a contract to EARN money makes no sense. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
EE = whoever spilled Aizen's dirty secret to soul society PLD = literally Momo with 10X the stockholm syndrome | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
Sure some other secret members/staff took part in negotiations after the initial contact but EE got it rolling. EE = young dota player who initiates 1,25 million dollar streaming deal for his team Kemal and rest of the group can't even get GPU cards..... while he's supposed to be a business man.... | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
Hope is current ans past teammates will get over it and dont end without money. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 10 2016 20:42 Lt Kilgore wrote: I agree, but i can't even remember how many times in my life where i have read something dramatically similar to this and thought "holy shit this guy is so bad" only later to have to correct my opinion on many things once the other party revealed it's side of the story. I believe this is a very important part of judging anyone or any situation in life, even if things look bad you gotta listen to the other side as well. I bet there are a lot of things that will be cleared up once Puppey and/or Secret decides to share information, still though, there are some things that he probably cannot justify having done. Yeah, ok sure, but a few things. EE is honest to a fault, he doesn't sugar coat anything he doesn't hide anything. He's the type that might not be seen as tactful but he cuts through all the BS and he's not malicious or a dick doing it. Some people are that way just to be an asshole but that's him. His mom even talks about it in the TI (or was it a major?) video piece on him. Second of all we have Misery corroborating all the money stuff at least. Thirdly we have Screenshots of everything. So EE's side of things stands on its own. Puppey and Secret are going to have to put out some crazy statement to fix all this and they need to do it in the next 48 hours MAX. The case against them is solid and time is of the essence. On October 10 2016 18:46 TomatoBisque wrote: Him being a lazy asshole was probably something that spiraled over time. rtz had only good things to say about Puppey post-TI5, and s4 at least thought he was a great captain. rtz and 1437 even returned to the team (granted, 1437 was a coach in both cases), which goes against the idea that he was always this bad? Like, EE says in the blog that he started treating the coaches like shit during the TI6 bootcamp. Keyword there is started, meaning it's a new thing. The shady shit is just crazy though. S4 said he was a great captain but a terrible person on his ask.fm. There's screenshots of 1437 with his nose so far up puppey's ass its incredible during the Kuro split. 1437 was Puppey's lapdog so its no surprise he'd be there for round two. Who knows about Artour, maybe he hated being in PPD's team so much he didn't care that he was going back to abusive boyfriend Puppey? Its all speculation we might not ever know why he'd go back to that well. Its likely Puppey got worse over time, older, more jaded, more drunk with power. He started off no angel surely as these things don't just suddenly manifest themselves in an instant. This is him, this is his personality, how his mind has always been wired. But I'm sure things got more pronounced over time. I've always had a knack for seeing through people's shit. I can spot a wolf or a bullshit artist a mile away. Puppey has always rubbed me the wrong way. Comes off as a nice guy to most people I guess but it's an act. You watch his old interviews, appearances on Live On 3 and things like that and he's wearing a mask, he's doing an act for the camera. His words and actions were always hiding his true self. It's hard to explain I guess and if you see something no one else is seeing its difficult to point out all the tiny things he's doing that scream to me "This dude is hiding something!!!!!". He's too cool for school, but in really weird ways that don't make any sense. He's full of himself but again in odd ways. He's always sent my bullshit detector way off. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On October 11 2016 00:35 OuchyDathurts wrote: Its likely Puppey got worse over time, older, more jaded, more drunk with power. He started off no angel surely as these things don't just suddenly manifest themselves in an instant. This is him, this is his personality, how his mind has always been wired. But I'm sure things got more pronounced over time. I think those kinds of things surfaces up when you begin to lose or being unsuccessful over time. People tolerate you or stay silent if you lead them to victories(TI champ, another TI finals etc..). He had problems with every players he played with independent of who is wrong. Some people take lessons when they fall from grace, be more mature; some people become more aggressive and surface up those kind of bullshit imo. | ||
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Barkley
Brazil103 Posts
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