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When the new SEAcret came to life, everyone didn't see it coming at all. It looks so obvious now.
Everyone in the west who has had any contact with the team as a player or a coach has warned everyone else - do not trust Puppey. EE, rtz, Aui, Bulba, Universe, Misery, w33, Kuro, noTail, fly, 1437, Zai. That is incredible list of top players in the scene. After TI6 I bet there was hardly any tier1 talent that wanted to play with Secret, and so those that may have not heard all the rumors playing in a different region are reigned in. Welcome SEAcret.
On October 10 2016 11:18 icystorage wrote:
fly shouldve argued with puppey. I wonder what wouldve happened then :D
I wish!
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All this is the typical "evade and distract with personal attacks, when cornered.".
It is not impossible that PPY is under the influence of manipulation as well. His reactions are typical of one that wants to believe an illusion, and snap when the illusion can't be defended.
Just like the OG matter, I do not understand the patience from the players. They are ripe for the lawyer way of stalling and treading quicksand, while making empty lofty promises. I am not gonna put blame on players for being naive, and easily manipulated, because at the end of the day, it is the shady businessman that is at fault for lacking morals.
Again, all this is funny(actually not), that Secret was created to prevent this, but I reckon that stopped when it was put into the hands of someone just trying to skim the gold from the players themselves that were the brand.
Anything I said in relation to the OG case seems to be spot on.
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On October 10 2016 13:32 EyeKon wrote:When the new SEAcret came to life, everyone didn't see it coming at all. It looks so obvious now. Everyone in the west who has had any contact with the team as a player or a coach has warned everyone else - do not trust Puppey. EE, rtz, Aui, Bulba, Universe, Misery, w33, Kuro, noTail, fly, 1437, Zai. That is incredible list of top players in the scene. After TI6 I bet there was hardly any tier1 talent that wanted to play with Secret, and so those that may have not heard all the rumors playing in a different region are reigned in. Welcome SEAcret. Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 11:18 icystorage wrote:
fly shouldve argued with puppey. I wonder what wouldve happened then :D I wish!
Yeah thats what me and a lot of others were thinking at the time. He had to go to SEA because he burned every possible bridge in the west. I don't think that could be more confirmed now.
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On October 10 2016 11:18 icystorage wrote:
fly shouldve argued with puppey. I wonder what wouldve happened then :D
I wouldn't even be surprised a part of why he got kicked was because Puppey couldn't threaten him/anyone else when he's around. "Taking away from his authority."
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On October 10 2016 13:50 Dracolich70 wrote:
All this is the typical "evade and distract with personal attacks, when cornered.".
It is not impossible that PPY is under the influence of manipulation as well. His reactions are typical of one that wants to believe an illusion, and snap when the illusion can't be defended.
Just like the OG matter, I do not understand the patience from the players. They are ripe for the lawyer way of stalling and treading quicksand, while making empty lofty promises. I am not gonna put blame on players for being naive, and easily manipulated, because at the end of the day, it is the shady businessman that is at fault for lacking morals.
Again, all this is funny(actually not), that Secret was created to prevent this, but I reckon that stopped when it was put into the hands of someone just trying to skim the gold from the players themselves that were the brand.
Anything I said in relation to the OG case seems to be spot on.
I'd like to believe that ... and some of the things puppey says sound a bit like that.
But I just can't really believe puppey has gone for this long without getting fed up with the shit that kemal is feeding him (if he's partially a victim too).
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Kemal is Puppey's golden goose, he'd never turn his back on him. From everything in EE's blog Puppey is the prototypical abusive boyfriend, certainly not the victim.
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On October 10 2016 13:53 [Erasmus] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 13:50 Dracolich70 wrote:
All this is the typical "evade and distract with personal attacks, when cornered.".
It is not impossible that PPY is under the influence of manipulation as well. His reactions are typical of one that wants to believe an illusion, and snap when the illusion can't be defended.
Just like the OG matter, I do not understand the patience from the players. They are ripe for the lawyer way of stalling and treading quicksand, while making empty lofty promises. I am not gonna put blame on players for being naive, and easily manipulated, because at the end of the day, it is the shady businessman that is at fault for lacking morals.
Again, all this is funny(actually not), that Secret was created to prevent this, but I reckon that stopped when it was put into the hands of someone just trying to skim the gold from the players themselves that were the brand.
Anything I said in relation to the OG case seems to be spot on. I'd like to believe that ... and some of the things puppey says sound a bit like that. But I just can't really believe puppey has gone for this long without getting fed up with the shit that kemal is feeding him (if he's partially a victim too). If this is PPY dream to create a business, which is likely set for his future retirement, and income for years to come, it can't be ruled out that he is being fed buzz words(as it appears), on how businesses work while missing all the fine print(that they are being royally screwed).
If PPY is lazy, and puts up hours only when a big tournament is coming, he isn't really the guy that is on top of things, which could easily translate into him being a Puppet, easily puppeteered. He has a big ego and it is not very unlikely a businessman such as Kemal knows how to sweet talk him, and with all the money Kemal has, he can easily be swayed that this will be his reality, if he keeps the faith.
But it could be that PPY is all the same. He surely goes out of his way to cast blame on others, while he is not doing his part.
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If yesterday someone told me that Puppey was an egotistical jerk who threatened to engage in physical violence with his teammates--then I wouldve laughed and asked what that person was smoking.
Tbh Im still having a hard time processing all of this. I would jokingly say Puppey burned bridges with everyone in the western scene before, but I didnt think it was to this extent.
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On October 10 2016 14:04 Emnjay808 wrote:If yesterday someone told me that Puppey was an egotistical jerk who threatened to engage in physical violence with his teammates--then I wouldve laughed and asked what that person was smoking. Tbh Im still having a hard time processing all of this. I would jokingly say Puppey burned bridges with everyone in the western scene before, but I didnt think it was to this extent.
Really? He's always come off as a giant douche carried only by his past and his aura to me. I guess no one thinks someone is going to go to the "fucking fight me pussy!" defense. When Fuckingmad did it it was hilarious, people couldn't believe what a child he was for going there. So by the same token I can see the disbelief. But he's always come off as a wholly unlikable individual to me.
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On October 10 2016 14:08 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 14:04 Emnjay808 wrote:If yesterday someone told me that Puppey was an egotistical jerk who threatened to engage in physical violence with his teammates--then I wouldve laughed and asked what that person was smoking. Tbh Im still having a hard time processing all of this. I would jokingly say Puppey burned bridges with everyone in the western scene before, but I didnt think it was to this extent. Really? He's always come off as a giant douche carried only by his past and his aura to me. I guess no one thinks someone is going to go to the "fucking fight me pussy!" defense. When Fuckingmad did it it was hilarious, people couldn't believe what a child he was for going there. So by the same token I can see the disbelief. But he's always come off as a wholly unlikable individual to me. That is not the public image I got from PPY, even if my x-gf held him in much higher regards than I. I still remember him hugging MTW players when Na'vi lost at Dreamhack. He has always had this public image of a fair person.
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On October 10 2016 11:12 icystorage wrote:
sweet sweet drama. curious though, can secret/ppy/kemal sue EE for anything?
sue for what lol. Late payment or some chat screenshots? Or because they took the 10% share without communicating it properly with the players? I think if anything, it's the ex-players who have the rights to sue secret instead for any unpaid prize.
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On October 10 2016 13:55 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Kemal is Puppey's golden goose, he'd never turn his back on him. From everything in EE's blog Puppey is the prototypical abusive boyfriend, certainly not the victim.
Yeah the prototypical abusive boyfriend was the first thing I thought when I read this. Amazing how they can keep people under their control despite disgusting behavior.
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This isn't even about Dota. Plastered on alcohol and high on power. Trying to cover his ass. Just your typical abusive drunk.
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Dang, always liked puppey. Best of luck to the players who are missing money, almost 200k is no joke....
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Ever wonder how every ex-secret members are so good after they leave? Puppey trained them to play 4v5 dota in the most toxic environment ever. Even EE don't get fazed by the shit he gets in pubs now.
I wonder what would Azarkon say about 1 of the 2 greatest western captains ever.
Based on how ex-teammates actually like him as a captain at some point, I have reasons to believe he was always a charismatic yet egoistic person, but he probably wasn't that bad until recent times.
Yea his career is probably over. No sane people will team up with a guy with mental issues and also one that lost his dota passion.
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This might come as a shocker to some people, but you generally can't tell the characteristics of a person just by watching them play video games. Back in the day people were also shocked to find out that Luxury was a wife-beater. Hopefully both Secret and Puppey are finished after this sickening scandal.
What I find rather unbelievable, however, is why we're only hearing about this now. The Fly/evany drama happened over a year ago and back then the silence was deafening, both from Secret and from other pro players (particularly the then-current Secret lineup). Imagine playing for an organization that 1) hasn't paid you your tournament winnings, 2) has former players claiming they haven't been paid, and 3) is completely ignoring the former players. That should be sending off mountains of alarm bells, and if you didn't give support to the ex-players then, you can hardly be surprised that the organization is screwing you over today.
I do feel especially bad for envy though. That guy has been through hell and back, he's had to deal with haters, alliance kicking him, marc fernandez, and now kemal and puppey. this guy just can't catch a break 
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What a disgusting Secret story (again).
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If this is true, then I am glad Notail and Fly left secret, despite me being one of the few people that liked secret's very first line-up
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On October 10 2016 15:16 HungrySC2 wrote:
This isn't even about Dota. Plastered on alcohol and high on power. Trying to cover his ass. Just your typical abusive drunk.
That is what I thought after reading EE's blog. Hell, Kemal and Puppey in different occassions even blamed EE for losing the TI and disgracing Secret's name. Even though the entire problem is just $$$, not doto.
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I don't think you can spin puppey as an also-victim when his laziness is talked about. The guy has to stream 1 hour per day for a $mil+ contract for his team, and still couldn't be bothered? Aside from the many issues talked about, puppey's selfish laziness has no excuse. Not even showing up for scrims, choosing to not practice for anything except just when TI is coming.
If anything this makes me like xboct/dendi more after all the drama old Na'Vi had. I used to think XBOCT was the difficult toxic player, but, whelp...
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