EPT[Updated] EE and Misery blog about Team Secret - Page 8
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On October 10 2016 17:00 lolnoty wrote: I don't think you can spin puppey as an also-victim when his laziness is talked about. The guy has to stream 1 hour per day for a $mil+ contract for his team, and still couldn't be bothered? Aside from the many issues talked about, puppey's selfish laziness has no excuse. Not even showing up for scrims, choosing to not practice for anything except just when TI is coming. If anything this makes me like xboct/dendi more after all the drama old Na'Vi had. I used to think XBOCT was the difficult toxic player, but, whelp... Yea this part is pretty surprising. You can be not a very pleasant person, even try to get some money for yourself at the expense of your teammates or whatever, and you can be lazy when at home, but I would still expect you to try your best to win tournaments when you fly to the location and there's millions on the line. But according to this story he was busy getting drunk and not showing up at the agreed times even during million dollar tournaments. Still not sure if I'm the biggest fan of putting it out there for everyone to see though. The money thing is one thing, there I understand that going public with it may feel like the best way to go. But even if all true the Puppey stuff idk, not sure if making it public serves a great purpose. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On October 10 2016 17:20 spudde123 wrote: Yea this part is pretty surprising. You can be not a very pleasant person, even try to get some money for yourself at the expense of your teammates or whatever, and you can be lazy when at home, but I would still expect you to try your best to win tournaments when you fly to the location and there's millions on the line. But according to this story he was busy getting drunk and not showing up at the agreed times even during million dollar tournaments. Still not sure if I'm the biggest fan of putting it out there for everyone to see though. The money thing is one thing, there I understand that going public with it may feel like the best way to go. But even if all true the Puppey stuff idk, not sure if making it public serves a great purpose. Are you serious ? so you just let it continue ? doesn't Forev and Co should know what they are getting them selves into ?????? this is why we have media (in ideal world) to expose rotten orgs like this. Envy should be applaud for stepping up and getting in the way of those crooked bullies , i feel sorry for the new secret team. | ||
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vanTuni
389 Posts
That's worse than not buying TP scrolls. | ||
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korendir
Singapore259 Posts
On October 10 2016 17:47 bluzi wrote: Are you serious ? so you just let it continue ? doesn't Forev and Co should know what they are getting them selves into ?????? this is why we have media (in ideal world) to expose rotten orgs like this. Envy should be applaud for stepping up and getting in the way of those crooked bullies , i feel sorry for the new secret team. This. I'm not sure how true this is yet, and Puppey has yet to give his statements. But I doubt EE will lie outright about stuff like this, maybe some slight stretching of things. Still, you can't allow this to continue forever. Think about how those new secret team mates who might get fucked over. At least now they get some warning. I'm glad both he and misery released their statements. Now to see what else pops up next. Statements from Secret? Or from other past members? | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On October 10 2016 17:47 bluzi wrote: Are you serious ? so you just let it continue ? doesn't Forev and Co should know what they are getting them selves into ?????? this is why we have media (in ideal world) to expose rotten orgs like this. Envy should be applaud for stepping up and getting in the way of those crooked bullies , i feel sorry for the new secret team. I just said I understand talking about Secret and how the money tends to disappear somewhere. All the stuff about Puppey's behavior inside the team is a bit of a separate thing imo. Though of course it helps in painting the picture given that Puppey is also the one who primarily leads the org with Kemal. But players can learn about how different players are through private conversations too. Noone is advocating to let it continue. | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
I Hope players start so sort these deals before they join any team, not while they are in the team.... | ||
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Xafnia
Canada874 Posts
On October 10 2016 15:47 babysimba wrote: Based on how ex-teammates actually like him as a captain at some point, I have reasons to believe he was always a charismatic yet egoistic person, but he probably wasn't that bad until recent times. Narcissists tend to be initially very well-perceived and are generally charismatic. | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
On October 10 2016 18:08 Beyond Magic wrote: I remember all the speeches when secret was formed, "we are making our own team because organizations are taking so large cuts from the prizemoney" etc all that, looks like puppey became the "organization" himself :D I Hope players start so sort these deals before they join any team, not while they are in the team.... Such a shame. I think Puppey would have built the perfect team because he's been around for long and knows about the shady teams & orgs and all the awful business behind the scenes, and now its revealed that he is the problem....I cant believe how Team Secret has betrayed all those values it set out to pursue. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 10 2016 15:47 babysimba wrote: Ever wonder how every ex-secret members are so good after they leave? Puppey trained them to play 4v5 dota in the most toxic environment ever. Even EE don't get fazed by the shit he gets in pubs now. I wonder what would Azarkon say about 1 of the 2 greatest western captains ever. Based on how ex-teammates actually like him as a captain at some point, I have reasons to believe he was always a charismatic yet egoistic person, but he probably wasn't that bad until recent times. Yea his career is probably over. No sane people will team up with a guy with mental issues and also one that lost his dota passion. Him being a lazy asshole was probably something that spiraled over time. rtz had only good things to say about Puppey post-TI5, and s4 at least thought he was a great captain. rtz and 1437 even returned to the team (granted, 1437 was a coach in both cases), which goes against the idea that he was always this bad? Like, EE says in the blog that he started treating the coaches like shit during the TI6 bootcamp. Keyword there is started, meaning it's a new thing. The shady shit is just crazy though. | ||
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Lt Kilgore
Sweden11 Posts
With that said, Puppey should feel the pressure on giving a statement as soon as possible, time is not his friend right now. | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
On October 10 2016 18:34 lestye wrote: Such a shame. I think Puppey would have built the perfect team because he's been around for long and knows about the shady teams & orgs and all the awful business behind the scenes, and now its revealed that he is the problem....I cant believe how Team Secret has betrayed all those values it set out to pursue. Puppey might know a thing or 2 about shady teams etc but from EE's blog we can see that he isn't putting any of that knowledge into use,doesn't know how to or doesn't care. Then again, puppey is a player, not a team owner. He's just enjoying the position he's earned through his success and reputation and letting his teammates fend for themselves. For a player/captain i don't see nothing wrong with that, not sure what he is exactly in team secret, owner or a player. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Been a big fan of Puppey for a very long time. Things started to smell for me after secret 2.0 crashed in TI, with very cocky drafts. Then all this lets get rtz and then get rid of him then get him again, i lost the count was the time when i lost all my respect for puppey. I am trying to find an excuse for him about everything money related, hell getting 10% cut from player winnings then pay all their bills in the hotel so they can focus on dota is not a bad idea at all. But the fact that he didn't practice, was late for scrims and even tournaments, says it all. Its like "Im so big, rich, good in dota and famous that i can do whatever i want and still win" proves that he is way out of his league. Seems like Secret is over too.. well they probably deserved it. I hope that this never happens again... | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On October 10 2016 18:57 Lt Kilgore wrote: This looks very bad indeed, but always remember to not judge until you have let both parties have their say in the matter. With that said, Puppey should feel the pressure on giving a statement as soon as possible, time is not his friend right now. Not sure what there could even be that Secret or Puppey could say at this point to make it all seem fine. The evidence of terrible mishandling of money is pretty overwhelming at this point and it isn't just something EE said. Of course you can dispute what was said about Puppey and his actions (which is partly why I feel even bringing that side up is a bit questionable, it doesn't really benefit anyone if people start publicly flaming each other) but I feel the players not getting their money is the far more serious issue anyway. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On October 10 2016 15:57 writer22816 wrote: This has boggled my mind also, and it does seem very suspect.This might come as a shocker to some people, but you generally can't tell the characteristics of a person just by watching them play video games. Back in the day people were also shocked to find out that Luxury was a wife-beater. Hopefully both Secret and Puppey are finished after this sickening scandal. What I find rather unbelievable, however, is why we're only hearing about this now. The Fly/evany drama happened over a year ago and back then the silence was deafening, both from Secret and from other pro players (particularly the then-current Secret lineup). Imagine playing for an organization that 1) hasn't paid you your tournament winnings, 2) has former players claiming they haven't been paid, and 3) is completely ignoring the former players. That should be sending off mountains of alarm bells, and if you didn't give support to the ex-players then, you can hardly be surprised that the organization is screwing you over today. I do feel especially bad for envy though. That guy has been through hell and back, he's had to deal with haters, alliance kicking him, marc fernandez, and now kemal and puppey. this guy just can't catch a break  EE said he just shrugged it off, because he was focused on the upcoming Shanghai major, but considering they were in the same position it is quite "coincidental" they didn't ride on this, and N0tail and Fly had to fight alone. Even Kuroky was at large silent. RTZ was allegedly also owed money, but still rejoined. There must be some stones that are not turned from the other side. It almost feels like they are using this to propel their own brands(DC and EEs new team). | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On October 10 2016 19:53 spudde123 wrote: Not sure what there could even be that Secret or Puppey could say at this point to make it all seem fine. The evidence of terrible mishandling of money is pretty overwhelming at this point and it isn't just something EE said. Of course you can dispute what was said about Puppey and his actions (which is partly why I feel even bringing that side up is a bit questionable, it doesn't really benefit anyone if people start publicly flaming each other) but I feel the players not getting their money is the far more serious issue anyway. It seems to me the best they can do at this point is to clarify this wasn't a malicious plan from the beginning. However the way they dealt with their own incompetence is absolutely unethical and illegal regardless. The adjustment of prize money cut without communication is just blatant theft and Puppey pretty much admitted to that in the screenshots by saying it comes out of salary or something else regardless. His argument only holds up during a negotiation conversation, but not after having agreed on terms, then it becomes something else entirely. | ||
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k0pf
Germany180 Posts
On October 10 2016 18:57 Lt Kilgore wrote: This looks very bad indeed, but always remember to not judge until you have let both parties have their say in the matter. With that said, Puppey should feel the pressure on giving a statement as soon as possible, time is not his friend right now. I totally agree with you, in general. But seeing how the "first" drama about secret not paying it's players was "handled" with just not saying anything at all until everyone forgot, I tend to just take EEs (and miserys) word for the truth. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Don't care much about the Puppey rage/bully stuff. I was never a fan and it doesn't effect me. The fact that he's lazy was pretty well known though right? I've seen it mentioned before that he almost never pubs so no real surprise. | ||
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