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On October 11 2016 00:41 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2016 00:35 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Its likely Puppey got worse over time, older, more jaded, more drunk with power. He started off no angel surely as these things don't just suddenly manifest themselves in an instant. This is him, this is his personality, how his mind has always been wired. But I'm sure things got more pronounced over time.
I think those kinds of things surfaces up when you begin to lose or being unsuccessful over time. People tolerate you or stay silent if you lead them to victories(TI champ, another TI finals etc..). He had problems with every players he played with independent of who is wrong. Some people take lessons when they fall from grace, be more mature; some people become more aggressive and surface up those kind of bullshit imo.
Very true losing a bunch of tourney along with players can help drive the monster out. Also if he has enough self awareness to know that most of the team's problems are directly caused by him that can cause him to further lash out. You know the type of person where its never their fault and if someone says it is or they come to the realization it is on their own they get super defensive. Terrible business dealings, being drunk, being late, not practicing, etc. That's all on him so I can see that fact pissing him off for sure.
On October 11 2016 00:47 Barkley wrote:
Sad thing is, we still dont know if this is only in Secret's Dota division. Who knows if their other players from other games are getting paid.
A good point. I'd guess not what they're supposed to get paid. But my guess is they're robbing Peter to pay Paul. The other divisions actually lose boatloads of money so they're using the DotA team who does make money to prop up the other divisions.
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Puppey's public image: Destroyed.
Dude better come with some explanations.
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I doubt the management of the other divisions is in order but the money going through them also surely isn't anywhere close to the dota team.
Concerning Puppey I think his position in Secret now surely affects how other players talk about him. Back when he was "just a player" in NaVi or when Secret started out, even if people had issues with him most are reluctant to talk about them in public (a flame war doesn't really do any good) and it's impossible to deny his accomplishments as a player. You don't have to be a great person to be a player people want to be in a team with if you are good at the game. And if you are just a player your responsibilities are also limited to that. But now as Secret has gone on for quite a while it became his organization with Kemal, and he is in big part responsible for how the organization handles itself. He's not just a player but the other players rely on him to care and make sure things are handled as they should. But instead he seems to not care at all, make decisions behind their backs, and the money is magically disappearing somewhere.
I'm sure EE himself or many other players are not exactly saints as far as everything that happens inside a team goes, but there's no reason to bring it up or for people to really care if it's just some petty disputes. But when it's about people getting the money they have earned it's a far more serious issue.
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Where the hell is ESEX on this?
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ASoo asking the real questions.
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W33 is that guy in your pubs where his support (ppy) feeds couriers and places wards in fountain and spams the chat with toxic stuff and he is seriously considering throwing the game (shangai) but in the end he takes a deep breath and wins the game anyway.
Only to read "gg ez commend me you fucks and report my mid plz" in all chat as the throne explodes.
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I wonder if staff will shut down this thread as "nothing but allegations" like they did with the Evany blog thread.
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On October 11 2016 02:09 prplhz wrote:
I wonder if staff will shut down this thread as "nothing but allegations" like they did with the Evany blog thread.
No, because this thread is not "nothing but allegations"
EE posted a bunch of pics as proofs
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On October 11 2016 02:09 prplhz wrote:
I wonder if staff will shut down this thread as "nothing but allegations" like they did with the Evany blog thread.
with EE's and Misery's blogs there are now more than 1 witness to Secret's dark side which makes it pretty valid legal evidence
1 person might be BS or talking out of his/her ass, but now we have EE, Misery, and W33 all pointing to the same conclusion that Puppey and Secret are top-tier shitheads and Kemel is running a ponzi scheme
plus EE's blog has pictorial and video evidence, which adds more weight
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A lot of people have called EE toxic and i do beleave that he is.His toxicness however comes from his honesty and i dont think he would lie about that
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On October 11 2016 02:09 prplhz wrote:
I wonder if staff will shut down this thread as "nothing but allegations" like they did with the Evany blog thread. While I sympathize with your call for inconsistency, more fuel against the same employer does have accumulative effects, does it not?
In the mean time we can ponder why they were silent, when Evany spoke.
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On October 11 2016 02:09 prplhz wrote:
I wonder if staff will shut down this thread as "nothing but allegations" like they did with the Evany blog thread.
Did they actually do that? TL moderators can always dig a new low I guess.
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On October 11 2016 01:45 ASoo wrote:
Where the hell is ESEX on this?
This is one of those nuclear bombshells so big and devastating that even the parody-makers stop for a minute in disbelief and readjustment
with something this big it's hard to make it even more ridiculous
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It makes me sick to think that Evany and co. did not get their fair pay of compensation while Puppey and Kemal took the liberty to hire a pornstar and "CSGO girls".
Also to trash talk Evany--saying she doesn't deserve anything. ROFL, they can go fuck themselves. I may be biased towards OG--but her management skills definitely contributed to them having a great year.
How the fuck do these people sleep at night? Fuck me man..
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On October 11 2016 02:29 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2016 02:09 prplhz wrote:
I wonder if staff will shut down this thread as "nothing but allegations" like they did with the Evany blog thread. While I sympathize with your call for inconsistency, more fuel against the same employer does have accumulative effects, does it not? In the mean time we can ponder why they were silent, when Evany spoke.
At the time EE, Misery and w33 hadn't been in the team for more than 5 months or so. The delays didn't yet concern them that much and Kemal/Puppey could come up with different excuses for it originally. But then nothing seemingly changed, it became a problem for the new players too, and also this 10% cut thing seems to be pretty recent information for the players. This isn't even only about money being delayed but it disappearing without the players knowing it.
Also pretty sure at the time the players held Puppey in a pretty different light compared to now. Back then if Puppey told them something about Secret and assured them I would assume they take him at his word, but then they had more experiences with him as a teammate, found out that he was apparently making decisions behind their back concerning team finances, and even pretty much screwed up the massive PandaTV deal.
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I was always a little confused at Puppey praise from players but figured there must be good reason for it. His play got pretty terrible from the start of the year or so yet he was still "the best" so I guessed he must just be an amazing captain. Now he doesn't even seem to have that.
Just hope the four Secret players are OK. PPD taking them to EG.2 would be glorious, though of course it won't happen. 
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On October 11 2016 02:22 zolasell wrote:
A lot of people have called EE toxic and i do beleave that he is.His toxicness however comes from his honesty and i dont think he would lie about that
only his naivety trumps his honesty
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On October 11 2016 03:07 kju wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2016 02:22 zolasell wrote:
A lot of people have called EE toxic and i do beleave that he is.His toxicness however comes from his honesty and i dont think he would lie about that only his naivety trumps his honesty
I never said that EE is an angel and i dont even like the guy.All im saying is that whatever his flaws are he is not someone that would lie like this.
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I guess being called the best captain for years can have some bad side effects. I'm like puppey, trying to be always right and blaming others, and I can tell you, we suck.
Secret will never get their shit straight, hope the organisation implodes soon, and no-one has to suffer the same shit.
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Whole organization feels like a ponzi scheme to me now. Never liked Kemal but I had thought higher of Puppey, live and learn. Feel bad for the guys who just joined and hope they can find some sort of resolution. Pretty ballsy of EE to come out with this while he is trying to build his own team/brand. Really could hurt his sponsorship chances, but I'm glad he did. This level of detail is what was needed to substantiate the earlier claims. #TeamNotPussy
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