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On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him...  )
but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him. he has no tolerance for bullshit. and no he's not mature he's like 19 ffs. thank fuck we've got some cocky 19 yo's to keep the scene interesting. i can only read so many chinese "i'm gonna try my best to be a star" interviews. this "i'm a fucking star and fuck you buddy" interview is refreshing and great. reminds me of Hendrix. (lets hope EE's career will be longer) i think this is why EE has so many fans.
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On September 07 2014 02:26 beef42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... ) but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him
Yeah yeah we get it, Eminem has been around for a long time. Pretty sure neither I nor anyone else posting here (except you maybe?) give a fuck if he gives a fuck. I'm not criticizing him because I think he cares, and you can "haters gonna hate" that all the way to your imaginary bank where you cash your "supporting EE sama" check of $0.
Also I'm pretty sure he's 23. Too young to grow up if you shelter yourself in your "anime and video games" world I guess. If only xaio8 was like him and hadn't gotten a personal life while being one of the top players in the world. What a scrub.
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On September 07 2014 01:59 Mensol wrote:rofl singsing <3
u realize that was referencing fata right?
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On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... )
Pictures xiao8 as a school bully? It takes quite a bit of effort to interpret what he says in that manner.
To me a lot of the things people say about EE seem to stem from either willingly or unwillingly misinterpreting what he is actually saying. It's even worse in text interviews because you can't connect the words to his expressions. I would like to see an interview where he actually is disrespectful towards people. The language and tone he uses is just different to most people, and they either want to dislike him so they take everything literally to have some sort of a reason for their feelings, or just misinterpret it unwillingly. Like the most common thing you hear on his stream is "I fucking suck". It's no wonder that someone else sucks in his opinion as well. It doesn't mean that he says it disrespectfully or he thinks that team or player cannot improve in the future.
On September 07 2014 02:25 Count9 wrote:
Interesting that they knew they were kicking Sing well before the VG game though, wonder what went wrong.
Judging from the interview it seems that contributing in directing the game and communicating well and giving or shooting down ideas wasn't a strength of Sing's, and they felt they needed someone who had that.
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On September 07 2014 02:16 Procake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:15 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 02:02 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable. He was getting insulted there, what do you expect? Hum no he wasn't. Hum, LightOfHeaven was suggesting they were pausing on for no reason to make them late for StarLadder or something so they could get a free win. This a year ago anyway since they're using Kaipi tags. but I guess this happened in a vacuum where EE just decided to say "fuck yourself" out of nowhere and we should ignore everything else said in that screenshot and the context of it.
I'm not ignoring anything, LoH said he wanted to forfeit because KP could keep on pausing (implying that they did it on purpose) and they had to play Starladder.
That comment is at worst passive aggressive, it's not an insult and in a normal conversation wouldn't warrant a "go fuck yourself".
I've nothing against EE but to call him "one of the more respectful player we have' is really really stretching it.
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On September 07 2014 02:34 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:26 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... ) but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him Yeah yeah we get it, Eminem has been around for a long time. Pretty sure neither I nor anyone else posting here (except you maybe?) give a fuck if he gives a fuck. I'm not criticizing him because I think he cares, and you can "haters gonna hate" that all the way to your imaginary bank where you cash your "supporting EE sama" check of $0. Also I'm pretty sure he's 23. Too young to grow up if you shelter yourself in your "anime and video games" world I guess. If only xaio8 was like him and hadn't gotten a personal life while being one of the top players in the world. What a scrub.
literally what?
i seriously don't even know
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On September 07 2014 02:34 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:26 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... ) but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him Yeah yeah we get it, Eminem has been around for a long time. Pretty sure neither I nor anyone else posting here (except you maybe?) give a fuck if he gives a fuck. I'm not criticizing him because I think he cares, and you can "haters gonna hate" that all the way to your imaginary bank where you cash your "supporting EE sama" check of $0. Also I'm pretty sure he's 23. Too young to grow up if you shelter yourself in your "anime and video games" world I guess. If only xaio8 was like him and hadn't gotten a personal life while being one of the top players in the world. What a scrub.
Lol you only hate him because he's different than you are.
You want EE to be exactly like you are: boring, so that you can relate to him. "Grow up" and be an adult like who? Like you?
He doesn't need to relate to you.
He's the one of the best players in the world doing what he loves, and doing it his way.
Keep hating all the way to that imaginary bank and cashing your hate checks.
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On September 07 2014 03:02 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:16 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:15 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 02:02 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable. He was getting insulted there, what do you expect? Hum no he wasn't. Hum, LightOfHeaven was suggesting they were pausing on for no reason to make them late for StarLadder or something so they could get a free win. This a year ago anyway since they're using Kaipi tags. but I guess this happened in a vacuum where EE just decided to say "fuck yourself" out of nowhere and we should ignore everything else said in that screenshot and the context of it. I'm not ignoring anything, LoH said he wanted to forfeit because KP could keep on pausing (implying that they did it on purpose) and they had to play Starladder. That comment is at worst passive aggressive, it's not an insult and in a normal conversation wouldn't warrant a "go fuck yourself". I've nothing against EE but to call him "one of the more respectful player we have' is really really stretching it.
Light of Heaven is one of the most disliked players in the entire scene by everyone, LoH can go fuck himself.
There's like nobody in the pro-scene that dislikes EE.
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damn love the no-bs
personally I don't have a problem with it but might help if he phrased things better. don't think there was anything wrong with what he said in a broad context though.
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I mean I'm pretty amused because every time there is a person like this with any level of celebrity people say the exact same things to defend them like it's new and completely ignore literally all the things the detractors are saying. More power to you guys; there will be an endless stream of kids with big mouths for you to fawn over if you keep this opinion later into your lives.
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On September 07 2014 01:59 Mensol wrote:Two or three months and C9 not going to win single game against Secret Team. Secret team is just better at every aspect, better mid player, better captain, better carry and starpower ofc. rofl singsing <3
lmao this is literally impossible and you know it. Besides pre-TI3 Alliance there has never been a team in the Western scene that was "unbeatable".
The hate just doesn't stop for EE. Yes the Secret Team comments came off as rough, yes he was blunt about Tournament organizers, but I think EE should be commended about speaking is mind. As Plansix and Irish have mentioned, he's got good points, he's just lacking in polish and politeness.
Anyhow, I enjoyed hearing about Bulba and his thoughts on new Na'Vi
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On September 07 2014 03:55 FHDH wrote:
I mean I'm pretty amused because every time there is a person like this with any level of celebrity people say the exact same things to defend them like it's new and completely ignore literally all the things the detractors are saying. More power to you guys; there will be an endless stream of kids with big mouths for you to fawn over if you keep this opinion later into your lives.
You do realize you're a fan of Na'Vi, whose players get fawned over by a larger majority of fans than any other team in the dota scene?
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On September 07 2014 02:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:16 TheRubicon wrote:retiring showed what type of guy xiao8 is  He just made a million dollars, and he's married. What a terrible person, moving to a new career to spend more time with his family.
thats fine, but when he unretires then hes going to look stupid. ill be the stupid one for now until he/if he unretires. i have no problem doing that 
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Confidence goes a long way people. EE keeping it real.
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Tournaments not paying players is not cool.
Can't believe there are people here bashing someone for speaking their opinion.
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I have no idea why people are so fucking mad at EE here.
He isn't telling Xiao8 how to live his life, he's saying what he'd do in his position and why he's upset that Xiao8 has retired. He even calls him the best; hardly super disrespectful.
He isn't trashing on Team Secret, he's saying he hopes they do well, that other teams think they're really good but he's not seeing it yet and he thinks it's going to be hard for them to learn roles. I mean, he straight up said they're all incredible players at what they did before, he's not denying what everyone already knows or anything.
He compliments WEC while noting failings. I don't see what's wrong here.
He trashes organisations that deserve to be trashed. This is actually an important thing for players to do, why is he not getting respect for this? Are you guys who paid for your StarLadder ticket not pissed that they haven't paid out yet?
He's fairly negative about Sing, I guess, but that's it. Even there, he exclusively talks about FATA's positives when asked to compare the two players.
So what exactly is he saying that's so wrong? I think people are so used to people who are either total PC robots or total jerks that they can't see when someone is just speaking their mind as a competitor who's really passionate and who is going to give an honest assessment of how they see the game and its players.
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On September 07 2014 04:04 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:55 FHDH wrote:
I mean I'm pretty amused because every time there is a person like this with any level of celebrity people say the exact same things to defend them like it's new and completely ignore literally all the things the detractors are saying. More power to you guys; there will be an endless stream of kids with big mouths for you to fawn over if you keep this opinion later into your lives. You do realize you're a fan of Na'Vi, whose players get fawned over by a larger majority of fans than any other team in the dota scene?
What's your point?
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On September 07 2014 04:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So what exactly is he saying that's so wrong? I think people are so used to people who are either total PC robots or total jerks that they can't see when someone is just speaking their mind as a competitor who's really passionate and who is going to give an honest assessment of how they see the game and its players.
There's nothing he's really saying wrong, it's just his choice of vocabulary makes him come off as an abrasive idiot. Also he apparently does other stuff in pub games and on his stream that fit this persona so people see him talking here and it compounds (I generally don't watch player streams so I can't remark on the veracity of this).
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On September 07 2014 01:36 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I'm not saying there's stuff wrong with a lot of what EE says. But he needs a media training class. There's a way to say what you mean and sound like an immature prick, and there's a way to say what you mean and sound like a mature adult. Look at what he says about Secret Team; it's pretty reasonable, really, but it's phrased in a way that makes it seem petty and stupid. It's not about being blunt or frank; it's about choosing his words more carefully and communicating what he means. He's just... really not good at that.
And then of course because this is the internet, there's the EE speaks truth to power camp and there's the EE is retarded camp and neither one wants to be reasonable. In conclusion I'm going back to GD where things are normal.
This!
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