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Katowice25012 Posts
"I really don't like how xiao8 retired. Like when you're the best I think you play a little bit more, like go for a 2nd TI."C9.EternaLEnVy at WECHotBid once again sat down with EternaLEnVy to talk about his recent trip to Japan and what he thinks of all the traveling he has to do in the next few months. And how much he loves pubbing. I saw you have 7k mmr, what the hell? You have been laddering here? What's different between China and NA server? At home I have to, at the very beginning of the game, I have to make sure everyone is calm cause everyone calls their lanes and randoms and does stupid shit and picks stupid heroes and yells each other. That happens probably in 70% of the games. And then every game I have to pause, so that my teammates know how to cast their spells properly. Cause they don't like follow up or they go afk or something. In China, I don't need to say anything. I don't use voice, I say nothing and I win more. So you like pubbing in china? Yeah, way more. And you say something at the beginning of the game. What do you say? I always ask for mid and I tell my teammates not to pick techies. I tell them to pick Doom and sometimes I tell them I'm one game away from a certain mmr even though I'm lying. Like let's say I'm 6.9, I'll tell my teammates I'm 1 game away from 7k, please try your best. So I want to win. So you say: Don't believe in yourself, believe in me? Yeah, I only say that later on! Like when everyone can't decide what they have to do, I'll just say: "believe in me, don't believe in yourselves, whatever I say just fucking do it. If you wan't to do anything, don't do it because it's probably wrong." Hahahahahah Well you can only say that sometimes, like when your teammates respect cause you're owning and when none of them are pro players. Ok. You went to Japan recently. How was that? It was pretty good. It wasn't that good to the middle but it was pretty interesting. Especially Comiket, have you heard of that? Yeah, I wen—it's that festival... You went? No, I didn't go! I heard you and Lumi talk about... Yeah, I woke up at about 4 and I got there by 6 and I was already behind 10,000 people. Even though the first train leaves at 5. Like people are running for the trains. And you should run with them because they usually have it timed... Because Japanese trains always come exactly on time so if you see someone running you're going to miss the train and you go with them so you always just run with them. So what did you do there, other than go to a convention? I went to Akihabara a lot, like a lot. Too much actually. You went to what? Akihabara, it's like this anime city thing. It's like anime everywhere, many many blocks. Did you get recognized by anyone? Ugh, yes. I got recognized by a lot of foreigners that went to Japan. We had a fan meet and a lot of Japanese fans came. And one of them was extremely big fan, he gave me a lot of stuff. How long were you in Japan for? 2 weeks. And that was a good vacation, are you back to Dota now? Yep, it sucked that I was sick when I came back. That really ruined everything. Now you guys got a new teammate, what's different about FATA- and SingSing? He talks more, takes more responsibility for the flow of the game. He'll decide something for himself or for something he doesn't like he'll say no and say it's fucking stupid. I dunno, like he understands the flow of the game more, like how his hero impacts the game more, so makes more calls. But I think the official games he's been in he's under-performed. He has some really shitty settings actually, so after this tournament his potential as a player to grow is exponentially. He has shake screen on, like what is he doing? He has like minimap delay, so you can't click on the minimap for 0.2s. Valve hasn't implemented for everyone, so if you don't use config you can't change. Like in StarCraft you can click on the minimap instantly, but here you can't. Are there are hard feelings between you & SingSing, or is just like "okay we have different teams now."? I mean obviously there has to be some, otherwise you wouldn't like...But normally no. I mean we knew it was going to happen during TI4, before the end where we lost. What do you think about all the new western teams? We already beat Secret Team in scrims. I actually think they suck but apparently they own everyone else. They do decently well with everyone else. Obviously they're not as good as people say they are just based on the star power. You'd think they would dominate everyone but none of them are used to their roles. Everyone switched roles except Puppey, like even Kuroky is half support half carry. They don't really understand their roles and I don't know how much time they'll need to adjust to that. Hopefully for them they don't lose too much. If you lose too much, even though you need time to adjust, you can't because you're already too negative. What about Tinker? I think they're really good actually. I think Bulba tries really hard. Everyday he watches lots of replays and he actually literally watches replays. Like for me I just look at picks and that's it. You don't really have that much time to watch the actual replay but he does. He doesn't play that much pubs though. But yeah, he tries really hard and I really respect that. I think FNG is like that as well, and I respect him as well. Do you think new Na`Vi is better than old Na`Vi? It's hard to say. Na`Vi did get top 8 at TI but that's not good for Na`Vi, but that's still pretty good considering how they were doing before TI. What do you think about the new Chinese teams? VG is really strong. I think iceiceice is one of the best offlaners. But now that rOtk's gone, they really need to get their draft right. What about all the retirements? I really don't like how xiao8 retired. Like when you're the best I think you play a little bit more, like go for a 2nd TI. You want to beat him? Yeah, exactly. You want to look forward to playing against Newbee. Like if we beat Newbee in this tournament, people are going to blame Rabbit or something. It's not going to be as fun, you just win and leave. It's like as kids you play a game but you don't tell them how many rounds it is, and after you win you just leave. Yeah yeah yeah, I retire as champion. Exactly. What do you think about this tournament thus far? I can't say it's well ran, the people don't seem to know what they're doing. But they try so hard. So far it's been my favorite Chinese tournament. There's been no attitude when you ask for anything. You don't feel pressured or annoyed to ask them anything even though their translator doesn't speak very good English so it gets very frustrating because they're trying. So you guys are in the winners final against Vici. You going to win this one? This is going to come out after the results anyway. I was super confident but...there's two play rooms and you can walk around to both or switch around if you want. And I didn't see any Vici people in the room so I was doing some picks and writing stuff down, and iceiceice was standing right behind me and he looked at all my cheese strats for the entire thing, I dunno. Are you gonna cheese them? I dunno? I got really stressed out though. You can next level him. Oh my god. I actually got so fucking stressed out after he saw my picks. Like me and bone both came to practice, and my team didn't show up till 12:40 and my game was supposed to, and they were like pressuring "where's your team? where's your team? our game is starting soon." I got so stressed out that I sat on the floor listening to trance songs to calm me down, but now i'm pretty confident. You guys have a pretty crazy schedule coming up, you guys are gonna be back in China pretty soon and then ESL One and all that stuff. What do you think about all this travelling after TI? Don't you think you need a break? I think Dota tournaments are really poorly ran and really bad for players. I'm actually going to write something about that when I get back. Like a lot of complaints like how they steal money from players. Steal money from players? How? They just don't pay out, or they pay it out to the organisation who don't pay it out to their own players. Stuff like that. They pay so late, like months later. Like I haven't been paid out by any organisation yet other TI. I haven't been paid by Starladder or D2CL. That's on the organisations though not on tournaments. Yeah Cloud 9 is fine. All these things are secret, no one talks about these things. Because every organisation is shady, if you complain about that organisation, they might not pay you so you're worried about that. So they just keep their mouth shut. It's like some mafia stuff, you can't tell the police otherwise you get fucked. Alright you gotta prepare for this so we'll let you go. you got any shoutouts or callouts? Shoutout to Hyper X, Logitech, Airforce Reserve, Alienware, Need For Seats, Kevin Yee, I'm Dying, Tauren Chieftain and Thrush.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
I always ask for mid and I tell my teammates not to pick techies. I tell them to pick Doom and sometimes I tell them I'm one game away from a certain mmr even though I'm lying. Like let's say I'm 6.9, I'll tell my teammates I'm 1 game away from 7k, please try your best. So I want to win.
rofl. Envy with the soloqueue tricks. :D
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Katowice25012 Posts
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Sounds like he's startin some shit here.
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Here we go again. Not the sincerest of guys I'd say. Guess it's good with some people that can be frank, but sometimes too frank is not that good -_-
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I agree, honesty is just a bad idea.
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On September 06 2014 22:49 Trolle wrote:
Here we go again. Not the sincerest of guys I'd say. Guess it's good with some people that can be frank, but sometimes too frank is not that good -_-
being frank = insincere 
How entitled he must be to expect being paid what was promised.
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On September 06 2014 22:49 Trolle wrote:
Here we go again. Not the sincerest of guys I'd say. Guess it's good with some people that can be frank, but sometimes too frank is not that good -_-
lol. This is the same pussy non confrontational attitude that led to envy being back stabbed and booted off nth, by who could've guessed your fellow swedes.
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Shit, he does not mince words.
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God I just love people that can speak their minds, hats off to you, EE
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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France9034 Posts
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect...
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xiao8 has a wife.
I find it normal for him to retire after ti4
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On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect...
I mean... I wouldn't have respect for people who didn't pay when they should as well.
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Cool interview, but isn't it kind of dumb to say that his own organization is stealing from him in a publicized interview?
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On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect...
Respect for whom? He didn't talk down on anyone in this interview really (except shady tournament organizers) and instead talked pretty highly of Fata, Bulba, FNG, and Chinese organizers trying their best. There's some comments that are somewhat negative like the ability of the organizers or Fata vs Sing discussion, but he's just giving his opinion. I don't see what's so bad in what he said.
Concerning the tournaments and teams, we'll see what he or someone else ends up saying about it, but imo someone has to discuss it publicly for stuff to change. It isn't a healthy situation that the power is on teams or tournament organizers, but there's noone to hold them accountable. Luckily now there are so many events that players can somewhat pick and choose the events they want to play in at least so it's not like one organizer has all the power over the livelihood of the players.
On September 06 2014 23:41 Acritter wrote:
Cool interview, but isn't it kind of dumb to say that his own organization is stealing from him in a publicized interview?
He specifically said c9 is fine.
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On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect...
Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way.
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great interview, nothing surprising in it but good to see it said, especially the stuff about how everyone's scared to break the status quo
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i love EE's honesty. great interview. so messed up those organizations don't pay.
What did he say exactly that people think he should not have said? I'm confused.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9.
Cry more.
Good to see people speak their minds.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Wtf is up with organizations not paying??
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On September 06 2014 23:42 infiniteJest wrote:
i love EE's honesty. great interview. so messed up those organizations don't pay.
What did he say exactly that people think he should not have said? I'm confused.
Honestly trying to figure out what people are saying EE SHOULD NOT have said...
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On September 06 2014 23:51 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:42 infiniteJest wrote:
i love EE's honesty. great interview. so messed up those organizations don't pay.
What did he say exactly that people think he should not have said? I'm confused. Honestly trying to figure out what people are saying EE SHOULD NOT have said...
I think they're upset that he said he thought the Secret Team was kinda shit.
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On September 06 2014 23:55 Contrary wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:51 Entropic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 infiniteJest wrote:
i love EE's honesty. great interview. so messed up those organizations don't pay.
What did he say exactly that people think he should not have said? I'm confused. Honestly trying to figure out what people are saying EE SHOULD NOT have said... I think they're upset that he said he thought the Secret Team was kinda shit.
something about singsing?
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On September 07 2014 00:01 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:55 Contrary wrote:On September 06 2014 23:51 Entropic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 infiniteJest wrote:
i love EE's honesty. great interview. so messed up those organizations don't pay.
What did he say exactly that people think he should not have said? I'm confused. Honestly trying to figure out what people are saying EE SHOULD NOT have said... I think they're upset that he said he thought the Secret Team was kinda shit. something about singsing?
some things that are true
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Hot_Bid these interviews are amazing, each and every one of them :D Thanks so much
Shady Doto World stuff :< One of these days EE-sama gonna get shived by some people in black suits with the emblem of some organization on the blazer D:
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I love when people speak their minds because thats what they think, there's nothing malicious about it (except the organizers) and thats why it's okay for him to say it.
I don't get why this pisses people off, is it better to beat it around the bush and leave EVERYTHING up to interpretation? that's fucking silly.
Love the hot bid interviews as allways and nice to have shed some light on why sing was replaced, quite simple; they think fata is better for their team, and thats fine.
Hats off to envy for being honest
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On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds.
Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that.
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I don't mind the straightforward attitude, I'll take it over the PR machines any day.
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I love EE's bluntness. I really can't stand people who are super PC about everything.
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people are afraid of problems, think pro Dota is a world of roses and unicorns and don't like it when someone speaks the truth about what's going on. Either that or they are just incredibly biased against EE.
Nice interview, looking forward to more of them.
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Pretty sure 2hu remixes ain't trance, EE-sama.
Great interview otherwise.
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I learned some interesting shit lol.
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Never expected C9 to play like they are, can't wait for the finals!
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On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way.
[Queue a bunch of entitled internet kids with no filter telling you to fuck yourself]
I agree though the payout issue in esports is something people should be talking about. But he said a lot of things in this interview.
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One of the least impressive players of TI4 tells one of the most impressive players who he knows almost nothing about how he should live his life. Sounds about right for a guy raised by the internet.
Envy should stick to having the top 3 pub MMR and stop pretending he has any chance at winning TI or doing an interview without embarrassing himself again. It's the only reason we even have these discussions, Akke for example is a much more intelligent and skilled player with an interesting real life story and a real job but he rarely makes headlines because he doesn't randomly insult people or have a Twitter account mostly about hentai stuff or anti-social mentalities.
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it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
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On September 07 2014 01:06 Oakenshield wrote:
One of the least impressive players of TI4 tells one of the most impressive players who he knows almost nothing about how he should live his life. Sounds about right for a guy raised by the internet.
Envy should stick to having the top 3 pub MMR and stop pretending he has any chance at winning TI or doing an interview without embarrassing himself again. It's the only reason we even have these discussions, Akke for example is a much more intelligent and skilled player with an interesting real life story and a real job but he rarely makes headlines because he doesn't randomly insult people or have a Twitter account mostly about hentai stuff or anti-social mentalities.
Holy shit, you're annoying. Whenever anything about EE or C9 comes up you're the first to spout some bullshit. I remember you also saying Fata going to C9 was a downgrade for Fata LOL.
All he said was he thought xiao8 shouldn't retire, it's an opinion, he's not telling him how to live his life. And "Hentain" lol, really? I'm not a fan of anime but if you're just gonna misrepresent someone like that in an effort to make them look bad, it makes you look like an arsehole.
You're seriously so biased. Keep living in your dream-land.
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On September 07 2014 01:06 Oakenshield wrote:
One of the least impressive players of TI4 tells one of the most impressive players who he knows almost nothing about how he should live his life. Sounds about right for a guy raised by the internet.
Envy should stick to having the top 3 pub MMR and stop pretending he has any chance at winning TI or doing an interview without embarrassing himself again. It's the only reason we even have these discussions, Akke for example is a much more intelligent and skilled player with an interesting real life story and a real job but he rarely makes headlines because he doesn't randomly insult people or have a Twitter account mostly about hentai stuff or anti-social mentalities.
LoL. The bias is strong with this one. Strong.
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I'm not saying there's stuff wrong with a lot of what EE says. But he needs a media training class. There's a way to say what you mean and sound like an immature prick, and there's a way to say what you mean and sound like a mature adult. Look at what he says about Secret Team; it's pretty reasonable, really, but it's phrased in a way that makes it seem petty and stupid. It's not about being blunt or frank; it's about choosing his words more carefully and communicating what he means. He's just... really not good at that.
And then of course because this is the internet, there's the EE speaks truth to power camp and there's the EE is retarded camp and neither one wants to be reasonable. In conclusion I'm going back to GD where things are normal.
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On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it.
that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger.
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On September 07 2014 01:06 Oakenshield wrote:
One of the least impressive players of TI4 tells one of the most impressive players who he knows almost nothing about how he should live his life. Sounds about right for a guy raised by the internet.
Envy should stick to having the top 3 pub MMR and stop pretending he has any chance at winning TI or doing an interview without embarrassing himself again. It's the only reason we even have these discussions, Akke for example is a much more intelligent and skilled player with an interesting real life story and a real job but he rarely makes headlines because he doesn't randomly insult people or have a Twitter account mostly about hentai stuff or anti-social mentalities.
Dude, he finished 5/6 at TI.
Alliance didn't even get top8.
Great opinion.
Honestly I think its a good think we have an unfiltered voice in Esports - we need it really. Esports has a lot of fucked up things about it, and very little journalism ACTUALLY talks about (yeah, esports journalism sucks). Having an outspoken person like EE is important in this scene I think. Even if he flames other players (like, what sport doesn't have this?)
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I'm with you Irish. The kid speaks in declarative statements and comes off like would be Dota Jesus. I don't think EE is the devil, he could use some PR training and learn to think a little about what he is going to say.
Also, calling GD normal is a stretch.
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The Envy hate is so real in some people that they will discount any of his accomplishments and say he's awful anyway, like this retard Oakenshield, in an effort to validate their opinion of him.
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Respect a bunch for him. Leaving a dream come true and speaks all of his mind of.
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Two or three months and C9 not going to win single game against Secret Team.
Secret team is just better at every aspect, better mid player, better captain, better carry and starpower ofc.
for something he doesn't like he'll say no and say it's fucking stupid.
rofl singsing <3
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On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that.
There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them.
For example:
http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1
I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable.
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On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable.
He was getting insulted there, what do you expect?
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love this kid. fuckin jacky mao everybody.
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Going to assume everyone defending EE for "speaking his mind" is also an Eminem fan because he "speaks his mind" (in fact every other song is about how he speaks his mind and how hard it is). If someone is good at what they do and they speak with no filter they are a hero because no one else is saying thing which need to be said!
Of course, people ARE talking about payout issues, they are expressing opinions about how weak or strong other teams are, they just have better personalities and/or are capable of presenting themselves as having better personalities.
I mean I get it, I do. If you were in EE's position you would talk just like him. People who have grown up in the real world would not. Big old shrug.
[Edit] Of course his assertion of dominance over his pub team goes so far as the "I have decided we will lose so I will destroy all my items and then feed" business. Love that! Glad so many people admire and respect him.
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On September 07 2014 01:59 Mensol wrote:Two or three months and C9 not going to win single game against Secret Team. Secret team is just better at every aspect, better mid player, better captain, better carry and starpower ofc. rofl singsing <3
Ah, SingSing fanboys. Also, yeah, we'll see about that. Not sure how you can say who is a better captain when you don't know the inner-workings of each team either. "Star Power" isn't a measure of success either, C9 did better than Na'Vi and Alliance at TI.
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On September 07 2014 02:02 Procake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable. He was getting insulted there, what do you expect?
Hum no he wasn't.
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France9034 Posts
On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger.
It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid).
It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him...
Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him...  )
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inb4 xiao8 unretires and is total noob tier. all the greats in history have always fought/played until their last day, example: alexander, flash, michael jordan etc
retiring showed what type of guy xiao8 is 
this interview solidifies EE in my mind as being a cool and collected, i like it
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On September 07 2014 02:15 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:02 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable. He was getting insulted there, what do you expect? Hum no he wasn't.
Hum, LightOfHeaven was suggesting they were pausing on for no reason to make them late for StarLadder or something so they could get a free win. This a year ago anyway since they're using Kaipi tags. but I guess this happened in a vacuum where EE just decided to say "fuck yourself" out of nowhere and we should ignore everything else said in that screenshot and the context of it.
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On September 07 2014 02:16 TheRubicon wrote:retiring showed what type of guy xiao8 is
He just made a million dollars, and he's married. What a terrible person, moving to a new career to spend more time with his family.
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Seeing as every single TI champ so far has lost motivation to continue practicing and doing the 24/7 dota life, Xiao8 should really just chill and only come back when/if he's hungry again. It's kinda like when Alliance lost every finals to Na'vi after TI3 and bombed out of MLG. Most people don't remember that and/or don't care, they remember Alliance 3-2'd Na'vi at TI finals.
As for beating Xiao8, pretty sure it means beating every other TI winner too and winning 2 TIs. That'd be really cool to see but I don't think any team with EE in it will accomplish it. Even with the top 6 placing I don't think I can put EE in a top 25 players list for performance at TI. Interesting that they knew they were kicking Sing well before the VG game though, wonder what went wrong.
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On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... )
but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him. he has no tolerance for bullshit. and no he's not mature he's like 19 ffs. thank fuck we've got some cocky 19 yo's to keep the scene interesting. i can only read so many chinese "i'm gonna try my best to be a star" interviews. this "i'm a fucking star and fuck you buddy" interview is refreshing and great. reminds me of Hendrix. (lets hope EE's career will be longer) i think this is why EE has so many fans.
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On September 07 2014 02:26 beef42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... ) but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him
Yeah yeah we get it, Eminem has been around for a long time. Pretty sure neither I nor anyone else posting here (except you maybe?) give a fuck if he gives a fuck. I'm not criticizing him because I think he cares, and you can "haters gonna hate" that all the way to your imaginary bank where you cash your "supporting EE sama" check of $0.
Also I'm pretty sure he's 23. Too young to grow up if you shelter yourself in your "anime and video games" world I guess. If only xaio8 was like him and hadn't gotten a personal life while being one of the top players in the world. What a scrub.
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On September 07 2014 01:59 Mensol wrote:rofl singsing <3
u realize that was referencing fata right?
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On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... )
Pictures xiao8 as a school bully? It takes quite a bit of effort to interpret what he says in that manner.
To me a lot of the things people say about EE seem to stem from either willingly or unwillingly misinterpreting what he is actually saying. It's even worse in text interviews because you can't connect the words to his expressions. I would like to see an interview where he actually is disrespectful towards people. The language and tone he uses is just different to most people, and they either want to dislike him so they take everything literally to have some sort of a reason for their feelings, or just misinterpret it unwillingly. Like the most common thing you hear on his stream is "I fucking suck". It's no wonder that someone else sucks in his opinion as well. It doesn't mean that he says it disrespectfully or he thinks that team or player cannot improve in the future.
On September 07 2014 02:25 Count9 wrote:
Interesting that they knew they were kicking Sing well before the VG game though, wonder what went wrong.
Judging from the interview it seems that contributing in directing the game and communicating well and giving or shooting down ideas wasn't a strength of Sing's, and they felt they needed someone who had that.
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On September 07 2014 02:16 Procake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:15 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 02:02 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable. He was getting insulted there, what do you expect? Hum no he wasn't. Hum, LightOfHeaven was suggesting they were pausing on for no reason to make them late for StarLadder or something so they could get a free win. This a year ago anyway since they're using Kaipi tags. but I guess this happened in a vacuum where EE just decided to say "fuck yourself" out of nowhere and we should ignore everything else said in that screenshot and the context of it.
I'm not ignoring anything, LoH said he wanted to forfeit because KP could keep on pausing (implying that they did it on purpose) and they had to play Starladder.
That comment is at worst passive aggressive, it's not an insult and in a normal conversation wouldn't warrant a "go fuck yourself".
I've nothing against EE but to call him "one of the more respectful player we have' is really really stretching it.
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On September 07 2014 02:34 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:26 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... ) but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him Yeah yeah we get it, Eminem has been around for a long time. Pretty sure neither I nor anyone else posting here (except you maybe?) give a fuck if he gives a fuck. I'm not criticizing him because I think he cares, and you can "haters gonna hate" that all the way to your imaginary bank where you cash your "supporting EE sama" check of $0. Also I'm pretty sure he's 23. Too young to grow up if you shelter yourself in your "anime and video games" world I guess. If only xaio8 was like him and hadn't gotten a personal life while being one of the top players in the world. What a scrub.
literally what?
i seriously don't even know
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On September 07 2014 02:34 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:26 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:On September 07 2014 01:39 beef42 wrote:On September 07 2014 01:27 pajoondies wrote:
it's great he can speak his mind and all, but does he actually think he's the best or one of the best dota 2 players in the game? i mean that as a legitimate question too. what i've seen from him makes him a great player and prob one of the best carry role players but holy crap he has a negative demeanor. i don't know how anyone can play with him without wanting to kill him lol
dude he actually _is_ one of the best players in the world. now if some pubber in my trench 4k bracket acts the way he's describing, it's instant mute, but EE? or really any TI player calling me shit and telling me what to do in a game? dude he's right. he IS better than me, and you and 99.99% of the dota population. i'd just have to accept it. that's why it's fucking hilarious to see all these nobodies ITT being mad at EE's straightforward and completely truthful assertion of his own superiority as a player. not realizing how good he is, is just dunning-kruger. It has nothing to do with being straightforward. It has to do with being straightforward in a mature way. You can be frank yet respectful. EE sounds completely immature when he speaks. Nothing to do with the underlying content (though I think he could have skipped the part where he pictures Xiao8 as some school bully which annoys the other kids in the playground, while himself act more like a kid). It still a matter of opinion I'd say, but when I see reactions to post of people who dislike that way of talking from EE, I'm somewhat even less tempted to be a fan of him... Oh, and being good isn't an excuse at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Coming from SC2, he makes me regret IdrA (and god I didn't like him... ) but he doesn't give a fuck what you or anybody else thinks of him Yeah yeah we get it, Eminem has been around for a long time. Pretty sure neither I nor anyone else posting here (except you maybe?) give a fuck if he gives a fuck. I'm not criticizing him because I think he cares, and you can "haters gonna hate" that all the way to your imaginary bank where you cash your "supporting EE sama" check of $0. Also I'm pretty sure he's 23. Too young to grow up if you shelter yourself in your "anime and video games" world I guess. If only xaio8 was like him and hadn't gotten a personal life while being one of the top players in the world. What a scrub.
Lol you only hate him because he's different than you are.
You want EE to be exactly like you are: boring, so that you can relate to him. "Grow up" and be an adult like who? Like you?
He doesn't need to relate to you.
He's the one of the best players in the world doing what he loves, and doing it his way.
Keep hating all the way to that imaginary bank and cashing your hate checks.
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On September 07 2014 03:02 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:16 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:15 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 02:02 Procake wrote:On September 07 2014 02:00 Diavlo wrote:On September 07 2014 00:19 Testuser wrote:On September 06 2014 23:43 Tien wrote:On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way. Honestly EE shut up for once, then maybe I have an incentive to not hate C9. Cry more. Good to see people speak their minds. Gotta agree with this. I think EE is one of the honest and more respectful players that we have. He doesn't tolerate bulllshit, and I can accept that. There are a lot of things you can say about Envy's character, like straightforward or dedicated but respectful really isn't one of them. For example: http://i.imgur.com/U5qkSXW.png?1I still like his attitude toward the game tho, he wants to be/challenge the best so which makes his comments on Xiao8 understandable. He was getting insulted there, what do you expect? Hum no he wasn't. Hum, LightOfHeaven was suggesting they were pausing on for no reason to make them late for StarLadder or something so they could get a free win. This a year ago anyway since they're using Kaipi tags. but I guess this happened in a vacuum where EE just decided to say "fuck yourself" out of nowhere and we should ignore everything else said in that screenshot and the context of it. I'm not ignoring anything, LoH said he wanted to forfeit because KP could keep on pausing (implying that they did it on purpose) and they had to play Starladder. That comment is at worst passive aggressive, it's not an insult and in a normal conversation wouldn't warrant a "go fuck yourself". I've nothing against EE but to call him "one of the more respectful player we have' is really really stretching it.
Light of Heaven is one of the most disliked players in the entire scene by everyone, LoH can go fuck himself.
There's like nobody in the pro-scene that dislikes EE.
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damn love the no-bs
personally I don't have a problem with it but might help if he phrased things better. don't think there was anything wrong with what he said in a broad context though.
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I mean I'm pretty amused because every time there is a person like this with any level of celebrity people say the exact same things to defend them like it's new and completely ignore literally all the things the detractors are saying. More power to you guys; there will be an endless stream of kids with big mouths for you to fawn over if you keep this opinion later into your lives.
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On September 07 2014 01:59 Mensol wrote:Two or three months and C9 not going to win single game against Secret Team. Secret team is just better at every aspect, better mid player, better captain, better carry and starpower ofc. rofl singsing <3
lmao this is literally impossible and you know it. Besides pre-TI3 Alliance there has never been a team in the Western scene that was "unbeatable".
The hate just doesn't stop for EE. Yes the Secret Team comments came off as rough, yes he was blunt about Tournament organizers, but I think EE should be commended about speaking is mind. As Plansix and Irish have mentioned, he's got good points, he's just lacking in polish and politeness.
Anyhow, I enjoyed hearing about Bulba and his thoughts on new Na'Vi
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On September 07 2014 03:55 FHDH wrote:
I mean I'm pretty amused because every time there is a person like this with any level of celebrity people say the exact same things to defend them like it's new and completely ignore literally all the things the detractors are saying. More power to you guys; there will be an endless stream of kids with big mouths for you to fawn over if you keep this opinion later into your lives.
You do realize you're a fan of Na'Vi, whose players get fawned over by a larger majority of fans than any other team in the dota scene?
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On September 07 2014 02:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:16 TheRubicon wrote:retiring showed what type of guy xiao8 is He just made a million dollars, and he's married. What a terrible person, moving to a new career to spend more time with his family.
thats fine, but when he unretires then hes going to look stupid. ill be the stupid one for now until he/if he unretires. i have no problem doing that 
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Confidence goes a long way people. EE keeping it real.
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Tournaments not paying players is not cool.
Can't believe there are people here bashing someone for speaking their opinion.
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I have no idea why people are so fucking mad at EE here.
He isn't telling Xiao8 how to live his life, he's saying what he'd do in his position and why he's upset that Xiao8 has retired. He even calls him the best; hardly super disrespectful.
He isn't trashing on Team Secret, he's saying he hopes they do well, that other teams think they're really good but he's not seeing it yet and he thinks it's going to be hard for them to learn roles. I mean, he straight up said they're all incredible players at what they did before, he's not denying what everyone already knows or anything.
He compliments WEC while noting failings. I don't see what's wrong here.
He trashes organisations that deserve to be trashed. This is actually an important thing for players to do, why is he not getting respect for this? Are you guys who paid for your StarLadder ticket not pissed that they haven't paid out yet?
He's fairly negative about Sing, I guess, but that's it. Even there, he exclusively talks about FATA's positives when asked to compare the two players.
So what exactly is he saying that's so wrong? I think people are so used to people who are either total PC robots or total jerks that they can't see when someone is just speaking their mind as a competitor who's really passionate and who is going to give an honest assessment of how they see the game and its players.
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On September 07 2014 04:04 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:55 FHDH wrote:
I mean I'm pretty amused because every time there is a person like this with any level of celebrity people say the exact same things to defend them like it's new and completely ignore literally all the things the detractors are saying. More power to you guys; there will be an endless stream of kids with big mouths for you to fawn over if you keep this opinion later into your lives. You do realize you're a fan of Na'Vi, whose players get fawned over by a larger majority of fans than any other team in the dota scene?
What's your point?
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On September 07 2014 04:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So what exactly is he saying that's so wrong? I think people are so used to people who are either total PC robots or total jerks that they can't see when someone is just speaking their mind as a competitor who's really passionate and who is going to give an honest assessment of how they see the game and its players.
There's nothing he's really saying wrong, it's just his choice of vocabulary makes him come off as an abrasive idiot. Also he apparently does other stuff in pub games and on his stream that fit this persona so people see him talking here and it compounds (I generally don't watch player streams so I can't remark on the veracity of this).
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On September 07 2014 01:36 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I'm not saying there's stuff wrong with a lot of what EE says. But he needs a media training class. There's a way to say what you mean and sound like an immature prick, and there's a way to say what you mean and sound like a mature adult. Look at what he says about Secret Team; it's pretty reasonable, really, but it's phrased in a way that makes it seem petty and stupid. It's not about being blunt or frank; it's about choosing his words more carefully and communicating what he means. He's just... really not good at that.
And then of course because this is the internet, there's the EE speaks truth to power camp and there's the EE is retarded camp and neither one wants to be reasonable. In conclusion I'm going back to GD where things are normal.
This!
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On September 06 2014 23:42 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 23:34 Ragnarork wrote:
Another interview that makes me hate EE. I mean, that guy got no respect at all or what... ? You can speak your mind without lacking respect... Pretty much this. EE constantly gives me the idea that he is just another dude from the internet without a fucking filter. There is a time and place for everything and he doesn't seem to get the idea to keep his mouth shut about things he should not be speaking aloud in such a way.
Lol are you fucking serious? So ya let's just all keep our mouths shut about organizations basically extorting money from players tournament winnings, or tournaments just not paying at all? Ya man that will really get a lot fixed, really bring a lot of attention to the situation if everyone listened to this fuck and never said anything about it.
Maybe you should listen to your own advice next time
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Tauren chieftain is TC right?
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My god, you people like to start drama over the most insignificant things. But m-muh integrity of e-sports professionalism!!
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Real talk interview!!!! Love EE's bluntness. He is not disrespectful to other people, read the interview again. Just stop being so insecure!
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LMFAO EE-sama has lost faith in NA since his arrival in the CN servers.
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On September 07 2014 07:22 Advantageous wrote:
LMFAO EE-sama has lost faith in NA since his arrival in the CN servers.
Every player who went to TI4 complained about how bad dota is on our servers.
It makes me sad too.
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On September 06 2014 22:49 Trolle wrote:
Here we go again. Not the sincerest of guys I'd say. Guess it's good with some people that can be frank, but sometimes too frank is not that good -_-
You're actually disgusting.
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I'll take EE's awkward honesty over canned PR bullshit answers any day. So many players aren't even worth interviewing and you could just copy paste their responses.
The only thing I don't like is how the interview ends right before EE gets going about 'shady' dealings lol.
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Actually there is a Chinese idiom "見好就收", means stop doing something when you are on the prime.
The most difficult thing in the world is controlling your ambition.
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EE just sound stupid all the time, like no social IQ at all. Calling ppl out etc.
Definitely someone that I will struggle as a co-worker.
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it's called eq
and maybe you have a low coefficient as well if you can't deal with people like him.
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On September 07 2014 08:54 andyrau wrote:
it's called eq
and maybe you have a low coefficient as well if you can't deal with people like him.
Recognizing social ineptitude is in no way caused by being socially inept yourself. Cute though?
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I'll tell you why Xiao8 retired.
1. Hes getting old. He has a wife he just married too.
2. His individual skill and mechanical skill is medicore compared to top players.
3. His play in games is consistently filled with mistakes.
4. His greatest traits were leadership but not play calling.
5. He can capitalize on his fame for winning TI4 and the biggest prize pool ever, by signing commercial deals and live off of being rich that way. Pretty smart move while you're hot stuff.
Teams have to think about their chances to win the next TI5. Even though Newbee just won TI4, you saw how bad their start was. There is such a low chance they can repeat what they just did. Most of their wins came off of strategy rather than out right skill. They played the other side of the dota game many ignore. Looking back, a team like Newbee wants to be stacked in skill since that's harder to acquire when you have many people helping you develop analysis. Xiao8 helped, but he definitely isn't key for TI5.
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On September 07 2014 08:38 Retvets wrote:
EE just sound stupid all the time, like no social IQ at all. Calling ppl out etc.
Definitely someone that I will struggle as a co-worker.
is it cause u deserve to be called out all the time
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On September 07 2014 09:14 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 08:38 Retvets wrote:
EE just sound stupid all the time, like no social IQ at all. Calling ppl out etc.
Definitely someone that I will struggle as a co-worker. is it cause u deserve to be called out all the time
Oh wow you guys do I have to do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies
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Am I reading english or what language is he speaking in? Did he really say it the way you posted or are there a couple of words missing? Really unpleasant read, internesting nontheless. Thanks for the good work!
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On September 07 2014 09:30 Artisreal wrote:
Am I reading english or what language is he speaking in? Did he really say it the way you posted or are there a couple of words missing? Really unpleasant read, internesting nontheless. Thanks for the good work!
EE is Canadian, pretty sure that is verbatim.
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On September 07 2014 09:02 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 08:54 andyrau wrote:
it's called eq
and maybe you have a low coefficient as well if you can't deal with people like him. Recognizing social ineptitude is in no way caused by being socially inept yourself. Cute though?
uhhhh lmao
I didn't identify his 'social ineptitude' through his ability to recognize it.
I said he may have a low eq if he is unable to accept and understand people that are also outside social norms.
really funny how you link a logical fallacy wiki page a couple posts later when you're utterly incompetent at participating in logical discussions yourself
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On September 07 2014 09:39 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:02 FHDH wrote:On September 07 2014 08:54 andyrau wrote:
it's called eq
and maybe you have a low coefficient as well if you can't deal with people like him. Recognizing social ineptitude is in no way caused by being socially inept yourself. Cute though? uhhhh lmao I didn't identify his 'social ineptitude' through his ability to recognize it. I said he may have a low eq if he is unable to accept and understand people that are also outside social norms. really funny how you link a logical fallacy wiki page a couple posts later when you're utterly incompetent at participating in logical discussions yourself
No, let me guide you through this:
He says basically that EE is socially inept, and that he would find someone like him difficult to work with.
You start off with the projection that it must be him with the social ineptitude! Ha ha got you! When it is in fact totally normal for normally socialized individuals to have difficulties with people who are themselves not normally socialized. That is what makes the lack of social aptitude difficult. If normative behavior was meaningless, it would basically cease to exist as a concept. Further on, with this post, you project onto me an inability to engage in a critical argument. Both of these are cases of ad hominem, as was the case with the poster I quoted.
"Lol maybe it is YOU who are the one with the problems you describe, as I can deduce from some random and meaningless point. Good day sir!"
Ridiculous.
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On September 07 2014 09:24 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:14 Kraznaya wrote:On September 07 2014 08:38 Retvets wrote:
EE just sound stupid all the time, like no social IQ at all. Calling ppl out etc.
Definitely someone that I will struggle as a co-worker. is it cause u deserve to be called out all the time Oh wow you guys do I have to do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies
Look at you trying to act all high and mighty when you've committed logical fallacies yourself.
I mean I get it, I do. If you were in EE's position you would talk just like him. People who have grown up in the real world would not. Big old shrug.
Good job dismissing the validity of people's opinions because they have not "grown up in the real world" according to you.
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On September 07 2014 08:23 crms wrote:
I'll take EE's awkward honesty over canned PR bullshit answers any day. So many players aren't even worth interviewing and you could just copy paste their responses.
The only thing I don't like is how the interview ends right before EE gets going about 'shady' dealings lol.
He speaks truth to power man, he is for Free right Dota and tells like it is. HE IS REAL. I mean he calls all the pub players he plays with bad, which is true. But then again its sort of like a line backer saying "I can beat you up". Like no kidding, your 350 and can run wind sprints for like an hour.
Humility is a virtue, EE could use a little injection of it.
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On September 07 2014 09:46 DoctorDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:24 FHDH wrote:On September 07 2014 09:14 Kraznaya wrote:On September 07 2014 08:38 Retvets wrote:
EE just sound stupid all the time, like no social IQ at all. Calling ppl out etc.
Definitely someone that I will struggle as a co-worker. is it cause u deserve to be called out all the time Oh wow you guys do I have to do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies Look at you trying to act all high and mighty when you've committed logical fallacies yourself. Show nested quote +I mean I get it, I do. If you were in EE's position you would talk just like him. People who have grown up in the real world would not. Big old shrug. Good job dismissing the validity of people's opinions because they have not "grown up in the real world" according to you.
Lol, how did you want me to respond to someone saying I want EE to show some maturity so he can be boring like me? "Well you raise a good point sir, but let me counter you with this!"
Can't argue with that; you can either ignore it or toss it around.
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As a self-proclaimed EE-hater, there's nothing controversial at all with anything in that interview. It's a shame. He'd probably be one of my favorite players if it wasn't for his fan base being the most obnoxious in all of Dota.
People need to stop putting him on a pedestal, both fans and haters alike. Once you realize that, he's just a kid trying to be the best Dota player and anything he says just isn't that big of a deal.
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On September 07 2014 09:44 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:39 andyrau wrote:On September 07 2014 09:02 FHDH wrote:On September 07 2014 08:54 andyrau wrote:
it's called eq
and maybe you have a low coefficient as well if you can't deal with people like him. Recognizing social ineptitude is in no way caused by being socially inept yourself. Cute though? uhhhh lmao I didn't identify his 'social ineptitude' through his ability to recognize it. I said he may have a low eq if he is unable to accept and understand people that are also outside social norms. really funny how you link a logical fallacy wiki page a couple posts later when you're utterly incompetent at participating in logical discussions yourself No, let me guide you through this: He says basically that EE is socially inept, and that he would find someone like him difficult to work with. You start off with the projection that it must be him with the social ineptitude! Ha ha got you! When it is in fact totally normal for normally socialized individuals to have difficulties with people who are themselves not normally socialized. That is what makes the lack of social aptitude difficult. If normative behavior was meaningless, it would basically cease to exist as a concept. Further on, with this post, you project onto me an inability to engage in a critical argument. Both of these are cases of ad hominem, as was the case with the poster I quoted. "Lol maybe it is YOU who are the one with the problems you describe, as I can deduce from some random and meaningless point. Good day sir!" Ridiculous.
rofl what in the world
first, it's not a projection, it's a logical deduction. projection would imply that I'm also socially inept, and instead of accepting these problems I assume that he is guilty of it as well. don't think I was projecting anything and you may want to look up what 'projecting' means since you're so fond of using it.
and 'normally socialized individuals' should have no issue dealing with outliers. 'normal people' may recognize others as outliers and change their own perspective in order to better deal with them, but deeming outliers outright intolerable probably indicates that the person himself may be imbalanced - whether it be a lack of understanding, empathy, or self-control.
your responses don't even address the issue and instead you arbitrarily say my points are random and meaningless without a logical discussion or proof, idk how you think you're not guilty of fallacies yourself.
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EE bringing out the best in the internet community!
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The funny thing is FDHD is trying to lecture us on social ineptitude when he himself can't stop himself from e-raging every chance he gets on EE.
Team EE beats navi? Immediate whine fest about how bad EE is.
EE gives interview? Whines more.
You don't even realize yourself how obnoxious you are and you lecturing us on the topic?
In the real world, whiners like yourself get laughed at and ignored. Get a gripe.
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jesus, isn't EE meant to be a smart person? he really needs some PR/language training. without dismissing anything he said, he could have gone about it so much differently, especially the secret team part that came out to be "lol, they noob, we rekt them". he could have phrased that so much better without losing his point.
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i dont even like eternal envy, ( i am a bit of hater) but this thread is just ridiculous, this place is becoming worse than reddit every day and thats saying a lot
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On September 07 2014 11:11 Tien wrote:
The funny thing is FDHD is trying to lecture us on social ineptitude when he himself can't stop himself from e-raging every chance he gets on EE.
Team EE beats navi? Immediate whine fest about how bad EE is.
EE gives interview? Whines more.
You don't even realize yourself how obnoxious you are and you lecturing us on the topic?
In the real world, whiners like yourself get laughed at and ignored. Get a gripe.
1) Not trying to lecture you about anything.
2) Re-read the thread if you are really that clueless about what I was responding to. It was not the loss. Na'Vi's been losing a lot this year, I am used to it.
3) lol internet trolls "You are raging!" Don't you wish 
4) Andrau: nice try but amazingly clueless.
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Good interview, different personality so a different perspective.
Did he unintentionally call out his team sponsor with the pay out thing? Interviewer brings up the point that it's on the team organization if the tourney paid it to the team and it seems like he misunderstands...
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It's pretty safe to say that anyone that thinks EE's interview is controversial/offensive does not possess a properly functional brain.
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i feel the same way about chinese pubs in my games... they just know what to do
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The one person in this thread calling everyone else socially inept, by a) responding to every single post, b) ending every post with a petty insult, and c) posting wikipedia links to prove how smart he is, is too funny.
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On September 07 2014 10:00 wuhan_clan wrote:
As a self-proclaimed EE-hater, there's nothing controversial at all with anything in that interview. It's a shame. He'd probably be one of my favorite players if it wasn't for his fan base being the most obnoxious in all of Dota.
People need to stop putting him on a pedestal, both fans and haters alike. Once you realize that, he's just a kid trying to be the best Dota player and anything he says just isn't that big of a deal.
hahaha apparently you never met na'vi fans.
and mineski fans.
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What about all the retirements?
I really don't like how xiao8 retired. Like when you're the best I think you play a little bit more, like go for a 2nd TI.
You want to beat him?
Yeah, exactly. You want to look forward to playing against Newbee. Like if we beat Newbee in this tournament, people are going to blame Rabbit or something. It's not going to be as fun, you just win and leave. It's like as kids you play a game but you don't tell them how many rounds it is, and after you win you just leave.
I'm pretty sure Xiao8 doesn't care about staying in competitive scene for another year to give Envy a chance to beat him when he's got a wife and ambitions to build up China's amateur scene. Sorry EE, you had your chance last year first against LGD and second against Newbee and you missed both chances.
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you can always count on fhdh getting red in the face in another thread about ee/c9
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On September 07 2014 14:48 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 10:00 wuhan_clan wrote:
As a self-proclaimed EE-hater, there's nothing controversial at all with anything in that interview. It's a shame. He'd probably be one of my favorite players if it wasn't for his fan base being the most obnoxious in all of Dota.
People need to stop putting him on a pedestal, both fans and haters alike. Once you realize that, he's just a kid trying to be the best Dota player and anything he says just isn't that big of a deal. hahaha apparently you never met na'vi fans. and mineski fans.
Evaluating individuals is easier than evaluating teams.
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What is the minimap config setting he is talking about?
Are there any good config tutorials for players that don't know about config settings etc?
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On September 07 2014 15:58 parkin wrote:
What is the minimap config setting he is talking about?
Are there any good config tutorials for players that don't know about config settings etc?
I know there is one at Na'Vi's website that goes over that specific setting. Basically you can set it so there is a delay, preventing you from accidentally clicking the minimap and running the wrong way. I haven't used that setting but I can definitely see why one would.
There may be better guides out there but this should be enough to get you started.
http://twop.navi-gaming.com/en/dota_2/gameplay/Console_commands
dota_minimap_misclick_time "0.2" - Minimum time after the mouse enters the minimap before we accept a move command. Used to prevent misclicks.
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fantastic interview. The only thing that might have been better left unsaid was EE's explanation of why FATA was better than sing, out of courtesy to sing sing. I honestly have no idea how someone could get offended at any of the other answers.
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He hates Xiao8's decision, because EE is a engineering student from a prestigious Canadian university with decent marks. Guaranteed a well paying job.
Even though he is quite successful in dota2, the rewards are still not worth it considering the risks he took.
So why did he do it? Because he loves the game.
Xiao8 on the other hand was never sacrificing anything to play the game, his income is still far far higher than the average chinese of his age, even without winning TI4.
Why did he quit then? Because he lost his love for the game. With monetary needs satisfied, there is nothing left.
Nothing wrong from an outsider's perspective, but for EE, he has the right to dislike Xiao8.
Also, for the people complaining about EE being too honest, have you people been tortured by PR drivel for so long that you obtained stockholm syndrome? Dota hasn't been corrupted by PR yet, if you want PR responses everywhere please go back to wherever you came from.
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i doubt most of you dislike the person for any legitimate reason outside brain-washed standards of formality. yeah he isn't your typical formal, respectful guy, but why do you care? the fact you can hate the guy for being blunt goes to show how messed up our society is. he could be hitler for all i cared and i'd still value his honesty over lying in order to conform to some in-congruent fake identity, all in order to seek approval and maintain a manipulated image by the industry.
its so hilarious how hypocritical the majority of society is. you guys treat honest arrogance worst than the previous negative stigma's attributed to gays, and racists. we're all for free speech and acceptance right? anyone who can dislike a person for being honest seriously needs to get their head checked. you have more underlining issues and double-standards than the person you're criticizing. it's the sheep who want to keep everyone in line, to conform to a norm, those who are outspoken and different must be crucified. it's more of a reflection of your lopsided disgusting mentality than it is the person you're criticizing. i don't care if i'm muted, or banned, as long as i speak the truth.
On September 07 2014 16:43 writer22816 wrote:
fantastic interview. The only thing that might have been better left unsaid was EE's explanation of why FATA was better than sing, out of courtesy to sing sing. I honestly have no idea how someone could get offended at any of the other answers.
it's HIS OPINION, why would you get offended? we all have our own opinions on who is better than who. i'd rather hear his judgment than a guy willing to repress his voice due to losing approval from society. yeah walk on egg shells your whole life, in fear of disapproval from the opinion of the masses.
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Looking at people fighting hard for more "PR and communication" bullshit rather than a frank and transparent speach, what the hell ? Whatever I will never get it anyway.
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On September 07 2014 18:55 saocyn wrote:i doubt most of you dislike the person for any legitimate reason outside brain-washed standards of formality. yeah he isn't your typical formal, respectful guy, but why do you care? the fact you can hate the guy for being blunt goes to show how messed up our society is. he could be hitler for all i cared and i'd still value his honesty over lying in order to conform to some in-congruent fake identity, all in order to seek approval and maintain a manipulated image by the industry. its so hilarious how hypocritical the majority of society is. you guys treat honest arrogance worst than the previous negative stigma's attributed to gays, and racists. we're all for free speech and acceptance right? anyone who can dislike a person for being honest seriously needs to get their head checked. you have more underlining issues and double-standards than the person you're criticizing. it's the sheep who want to keep everyone in line, to conform to a norm, those who are outspoken and different must be crucified. it's more of a reflection of your lopsided disgusting mentality than it is the person you're criticizing. i don't care if i'm muted, or banned, as long as i speak the truth. Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 16:43 writer22816 wrote:
fantastic interview. The only thing that might have been better left unsaid was EE's explanation of why FATA was better than sing, out of courtesy to sing sing. I honestly have no idea how someone could get offended at any of the other answers. it's HIS OPINION, why would you get offended? we all have our own opinions on who is better than who. i'd rather hear his judgment than a guy willing to repress his voice due to losing approval from society. yeah walk on egg shells your whole life, in fear of disapproval from the opinion of the masses.
can you read? I never said I was offended. in fact I enjoyed reading the interview and all of his answers.
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Lol, you know people have lives Jackie Mao, people don't sit in front of computer and watch anime all day...
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suddenly a hitler appeared in an interview thread. good job guys
and uishax...how do you know that xiao8 did not sacrifice anything?
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I like how he says that often hes teammates do not know how to use spells, and then feeds relentlessly in g3 vs EG on bf
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What a great interview. They may not have won WEC, but had a really strong showing.
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Get a team soon Nazgul.
Sad to see liquid not competing at high level.
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Nice interview,probably EE will play until he ll be 80 years old and will consider retirement only if he cant press the mouse button anymore.
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Really great interview, I'm a huge fan of EE after I watched an interview of his for the first time. I love that he is blunt but, imo, doesn't speak out of line. Could do with more people with opinions like he does to keep everything lively ^_^
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On September 07 2014 17:00 uishax wrote:
Xiao8 on the other hand was never sacrificing anything to play the game, his income is still far far higher than the average chinese of his age, even without winning TI4.
Why did he quit then? Because he lost his love for the game. With monetary needs satisfied, there is nothing left.
He wants to raise a family with his wife and build up China's amateur scene. Where did you get your baseless judgment from?
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The popcorn and the amount of saltiness is way too stronk in this thread
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Refreshing interview, I admire people who tell it like it is. Although I disagree with him on xiao8, he's at a different stage in life anyways (marriage), he's blunt without being over the top. Keep them coming.
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I would rather have EE speak his mind than EG's CEO dodge every. single. question. for. 20. minutes.
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On September 08 2014 23:53 PetitCrabe wrote:
I would rather have EE speak his mind than EG's CEO dodge every. single. question. for. 20. minutes.
you can't expect a CEO and a player to answer the same way. Alex Garfield directly has to deal with the sponsors and is held to a different standard than any player. Not to mention the entire interview with him was HotBid trying to get him to say something. Which is also why he always refuses to do interviews.
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On September 09 2014 03:20 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 23:53 PetitCrabe wrote:
I would rather have EE speak his mind than EG's CEO dodge every. single. question. for. 20. minutes. you can't expect a CEO and a player to answer the same way. Alex Garfield directly has to deal with the sponsors and is held to a different standard than any player. Not to mention the entire interview with him was HotBid trying to get him to say something. Which is also why he always refuses to do interviews.
Which of course makes the interview extremely boring and is why Alex Garfield doesn't do interviews...
Maybe better analogy would be almost every Korean sc2 player except mc and his gang.
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Great interview by envy. Appreciate what he brought as feedback
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Wow what an arrogant little prick. I'm honestly surprised.
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