EPTAlso, 2009 thinks Halberd is a really good item. He's been obsessed about it in almost every game lol.
Also interesting that WE bought Veil on AA in both the series vs iG as well as vs Panda.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Also, 2009 thinks Halberd is a really good item. He's been obsessed about it in almost every game lol. Also interesting that WE bought Veil on AA in both the series vs iG as well as vs Panda. | ||
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eqez
Sweden837 Posts
On March 07 2012 07:17 NB wrote: i mean CLG is just doing what loda did for the past 4-5 years or so: picking unconventional carry and make it work... i remember i was begging my friend, repatch my war3 5 times just to be able to watch his sniper int style with hex eul etc.... Link to replay please! That must been the time Shrapnel caused instant damage and not DoT? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:20 TheYango wrote: That was a good game. WE has really impressed me in the last week vs. Panda and iG. Also, 2009 thinks Halberd is a really good item. He's been obsessed about it in almost every game lol. Also interesting that WE bought Veil on AA in both the series vs iG as well as vs Panda. Well, who doesn't think Halberd is a really good item anyway? It completely disables the carry for forever and has a really short cooldown, while giving all very useful stats for a tanky person to have. I believe it's an absolutely amazing anticarry item, and is able to completely shutdown a fed carry in teamfights. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:21 eqez wrote: Link to replay please! That must been the time Shrapnel caused instant damage and not DoT? ya... i dont think i have the rep any more or dont wana find it in my old hard drive either -_- look it up  you need a patch for war3 though, its a REALLY OLD PATCH... also the old dota map version too xD | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
Edit: opps nvm they are back up just as quick | ||
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eqez
Sweden837 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:59 NB wrote: ya... i dont think i have the rep any more or dont wana find it in my old hard drive either -_- look it up you need a patch for war3 though, its a REALLY OLD PATCH... also the old dota map version too xDYeah... I prolly dont have the map on this comp its on my old pc.... But war3 version changer is easy! Maybe dont have a patch that old tough. | ||
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Kirb
Germany900 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:59 NB wrote: ya... i dont think i have the rep any more or dont wana find it in my old hard drive either -_- look it up you need a patch for war3 though, its a REALLY OLD PATCH... also the old dota map version too xDWell int dwarf was only "viable" while the ult had 10 sec cd on lvl 3, wasn't it? Goes way back so it will be kinda hard to find the replays.... | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:31 Shikyo wrote: Well, who doesn't think Halberd is a really good item anyway? It completely disables the carry for forever and has a really short cooldown, while giving all very useful stats for a tanky person to have. I believe it's an absolutely amazing anticarry item, and is able to completely shutdown a fed carry in teamfights. I personally felt the active to be quite underwhelming at first. I'll admit I didn't think much of the item at first. But honestly, even without considering the active, the stats it gives are very generous. It's cost-effectiveness is still quite good, regardless of how strong you think the active is. There's also the fact that Syllabear, who is a staple carry in Chinese play, specifically has trouble against it, because while most other carries will have BKB or Manta to clear the disarm, buying BKB for the summoned bear is quite cost-ineffective until super lategame. | ||
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 07 2012 09:16 TheYango wrote: I personally felt the active to be quite underwhelming. I'll admit I didn't think much of the item at first. But honestly, even without considering the active, the stats it gives are very generous. It's cost-effectiveness is still quite good, regardless of how strong you think the active is. There's also the fact that Syllabear, who is a staple carry in Chinese play, specifically has trouble against it, because while most other carries will have BKB or Manta to clear the disarm, buying BKB for the summoned bear is quite cost-ineffective until lategame. my main problem with it is its cost, it's in the same ball park as orchid and bkb, the former used as a early shutdown item and the latter we all know... the active is far weaker than guinsoo which is only about 1700 more gold in cost, though halberd is awesome against syllabear. i agree that its main perk is of course, it's stats... very nice. i dont really see its use in dota2 except for a few heroes though because of the typical carries. anyway i like seeing that veil of discord... mindblowing amount of teamfight damage WE's lineup had, dragon knight just got disintegrated near the end  | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
and veil is a good item to see in play, that WE game was pretty hilarious, it doesn't really matter if your semicarries lack raw damage when the other team has negative armor and negative magic resist ~_~ | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On March 07 2012 09:20 gaymon wrote: It has 10 sec cd on lvl 3 and buying orchids on him is quite viable/fun. Definitely do this in pubs. Being able to spam ult and shrapnel all game is hilarious. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KQEQX.png) | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 07 2012 10:43 rabidch wrote: hmm yeah... i think theres going to be a return to teamfight magic damage centric lineups, but this time with different heroes. after seeing the buffs on qop, necro, lina, lesh, veil of discord, linkens, necronomicon, and all this on top of the strength carries who have great utilities and the return of treant. and chinese games are getting back to drawn out teamfight endgames. of course some heroes still break this mold but i'm glad to see weirder lineups in dota1 these days. Have you seen DK vs LGD yet? DK ran another teamfight magic damage comp as well. On March 07 2012 10:45 hideo wrote: I think he was pushing it more as an alternative to vanguard... which he thought was too defensive a pickup vs sange -> halberd. A lot of Chinese players have stopped buying Vanguard after the nerf, opting either to buy Janggo, Vitality Booster, or one of the Ogre Axe items instead. There are a few situations where someone happens to end up wanting all 3 Vanguard parts and so ends up building Vanguard anyway, but IMO at this point it's not an item you'll expressly make unless you already wanted all 3 of the parts individually (e.g. you started with Stout, were in a lane where you feel you need the RoH regen to stay in lane, and needed a direct HP source as well soon after that). | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 07 2012 12:22 TheYango wrote: Have you seen DK vs LGD yet? DK ran another teamfight magic damage comp as well. yep. i dont know if necro will be a mainstay though, DK won those games on account of superior play and not necessarily better lineups. i'm not really sure on how much treant changes laning either other than your teammates get a huge boost in those initial 6 minutes, it's hard to say a lot of these things without having played dota1 in a while. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On March 07 2012 11:25 NB wrote: had a good game, since people got annoyed with screenshot ima put it in spoiler tag :D + Show Spoiler + lol prophet is so fun to play yesterday there was this bane that kept raging about how our team had no tanks and no stunners i solod top against antimage and another hero, can't remember ended up going like 18-2 with agh treads mjollnir deso manta o_O killing heroes with wrath is so fun :3 | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
is it the same in dota2? ~_~ | ||
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