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On March 07 2012 12:46 NB wrote:
correct me if im wrong but i remember me right click to the ground really fast when i got called by axe in dota1 will make my attacks canceled on him therefore doesnt trigger his passive
is it the same in dota2? ~_~
Doing that in dota 1 would make you actually take more dmg... since it checks as soon as the attack starts, not when the attack lands.
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
On March 07 2012 12:46 NB wrote:
correct me if im wrong but i remember me right click to the ground really fast when i got called by axe in dota1 will make my attacks canceled on him therefore doesnt trigger his passive
is it the same in dota2? ~_~
should be, same goes with spamming S lol
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On March 07 2012 12:59 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 12:46 NB wrote:
correct me if im wrong but i remember me right click to the ground really fast when i got called by axe in dota1 will make my attacks canceled on him therefore doesnt trigger his passive
is it the same in dota2? ~_~ should be, same goes with spamming S lol
Nooooo don't do this.
Wait for call to end, doing anything else will make it worse. Axe doesn't like it when you struggle.
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If you spam ANY action during the influence of Beserkers call, you are essentially giving his passive an additional chance to proc for EVERY action you spam.
DONT DO IT.
If you're called, just hope you don't die.
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In dota 1, i think spamming S or cancelling has 1 benefit which is the fact that it makes you does not break invis Not sure if it was ever changed.
In dota 2 it seems that you can't do that anymore ( as in berserker call will call you out of invis no matter if you spam cancel or S)
Anyone can confirm/correct me if i'm wrong?
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
lol thought it always worked, oh well learning something new every day :p
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On March 07 2012 12:22 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 10:43 rabidch wrote:
hmm yeah... i think theres going to be a return to teamfight magic damage centric lineups, but this time with different heroes. after seeing the buffs on qop, necro, lina, lesh, veil of discord, linkens, necronomicon, and all this on top of the strength carries who have great utilities and the return of treant. and chinese games are getting back to drawn out teamfight endgames. of course some heroes still break this mold but i'm glad to see weirder lineups in dota1 these days. Have you seen DK vs LGD yet? DK ran another teamfight magic damage comp as well. Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 10:45 hideo wrote:
I think he was pushing it more as an alternative to vanguard... which he thought was too defensive a pickup vs sange -> halberd. A lot of Chinese players have stopped buying Vanguard after the nerf, opting either to buy Janggo, Vitality Booster, or one of the Ogre Axe items instead. There are a few situations where someone happens to end up wanting all 3 Vanguard parts and so ends up building Vanguard anyway, but IMO at this point it's not an item you'll expressly make unless you already wanted all 3 of the parts individually (e.g. you started with Stout, were in a lane where you feel you need the RoH regen to stay in lane, and needed a direct HP source as well soon after that).
Don't you think part of the fact people stop buying vanguards is that the meta is pushing, and vanguard is just an item to survive the end of the early game slash beginning of mid game where ganks are happening. Survive those get more farm for the real damage dealing items.
I never really liked Vanguard anyways, except on like, Viper Razor Axe Spectre, I hate it on carries like AM I think its almost silly to waste 1900 gold on the vit booster and RoH when you can just get the persev done or claymore.
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On March 07 2012 14:19 dtz wrote:
In dota 1, i think spamming S or cancelling has 1 benefit which is the fact that it makes you does not break invis Not sure if it was ever changed.
In dota 2 it seems that you can't do that anymore ( as in berserker call will call you out of invis no matter if you spam cancel or S)
Anyone can confirm/correct me if i'm wrong?
ya, this too... force out of invi is anoying T_T
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On March 07 2012 14:48 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 12:22 TheYango wrote:On March 07 2012 10:43 rabidch wrote:
hmm yeah... i think theres going to be a return to teamfight magic damage centric lineups, but this time with different heroes. after seeing the buffs on qop, necro, lina, lesh, veil of discord, linkens, necronomicon, and all this on top of the strength carries who have great utilities and the return of treant. and chinese games are getting back to drawn out teamfight endgames. of course some heroes still break this mold but i'm glad to see weirder lineups in dota1 these days. Have you seen DK vs LGD yet? DK ran another teamfight magic damage comp as well. On March 07 2012 10:45 hideo wrote:
I think he was pushing it more as an alternative to vanguard... which he thought was too defensive a pickup vs sange -> halberd. A lot of Chinese players have stopped buying Vanguard after the nerf, opting either to buy Janggo, Vitality Booster, or one of the Ogre Axe items instead. There are a few situations where someone happens to end up wanting all 3 Vanguard parts and so ends up building Vanguard anyway, but IMO at this point it's not an item you'll expressly make unless you already wanted all 3 of the parts individually (e.g. you started with Stout, were in a lane where you feel you need the RoH regen to stay in lane, and needed a direct HP source as well soon after that). Don't you think part of the fact people stop buying vanguards is that the meta is pushing, and vanguard is just an item to survive the end of the early game slash beginning of mid game where ganks are happening. Survive those get more farm for the real damage dealing items. I never really liked Vanguard anyways, except on like, Viper Razor Axe Spectre, I hate it on carries like AM I think its almost silly to waste 1900 gold on the vit booster and RoH when you can just get the persev done or claymore.
somebody didnt play dota during the vanguard era
ripped from playdota forums
http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366682
6.73 - HP Bonus decreased from 275 to 250
6.68 - HP bonus from 300 to 275
6.65 - Damage block reduced from 40 to 20 when equipped on ranged heroes (50% less block like stout and Poor Man's Shield)
6.60 - Improved block chances (65->70%)
6.60 - Improved health regeneration (5->6 hp)
6.55 - Increased Vanguard hitpoints by 50
6.50 - Improved Vanguard a little
can see now it just keeps getting less cost effective. it still fills a hole for the heroes that need the hp and sometimes the damage block but it aint the item it once was
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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On March 07 2012 15:09 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 14:19 dtz wrote:
In dota 1, i think spamming S or cancelling has 1 benefit which is the fact that it makes you does not break invis Not sure if it was ever changed.
In dota 2 it seems that you can't do that anymore ( as in berserker call will call you out of invis no matter if you spam cancel or S)
Anyone can confirm/correct me if i'm wrong? ya, this too... force out of invi is anoying T_T
Was playing a game today as Brood where I got 5 sec arrowed, and then went back invis, Axe runs up to me calls, and since i was stunned I couldn't attack him and reveal myself. First time arrow has saved my life.
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On March 07 2012 15:39 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 14:48 Zlasher wrote:On March 07 2012 12:22 TheYango wrote:On March 07 2012 10:43 rabidch wrote:
hmm yeah... i think theres going to be a return to teamfight magic damage centric lineups, but this time with different heroes. after seeing the buffs on qop, necro, lina, lesh, veil of discord, linkens, necronomicon, and all this on top of the strength carries who have great utilities and the return of treant. and chinese games are getting back to drawn out teamfight endgames. of course some heroes still break this mold but i'm glad to see weirder lineups in dota1 these days. Have you seen DK vs LGD yet? DK ran another teamfight magic damage comp as well. On March 07 2012 10:45 hideo wrote:
I think he was pushing it more as an alternative to vanguard... which he thought was too defensive a pickup vs sange -> halberd. A lot of Chinese players have stopped buying Vanguard after the nerf, opting either to buy Janggo, Vitality Booster, or one of the Ogre Axe items instead. There are a few situations where someone happens to end up wanting all 3 Vanguard parts and so ends up building Vanguard anyway, but IMO at this point it's not an item you'll expressly make unless you already wanted all 3 of the parts individually (e.g. you started with Stout, were in a lane where you feel you need the RoH regen to stay in lane, and needed a direct HP source as well soon after that). Don't you think part of the fact people stop buying vanguards is that the meta is pushing, and vanguard is just an item to survive the end of the early game slash beginning of mid game where ganks are happening. Survive those get more farm for the real damage dealing items. I never really liked Vanguard anyways, except on like, Viper Razor Axe Spectre, I hate it on carries like AM I think its almost silly to waste 1900 gold on the vit booster and RoH when you can just get the persev done or claymore. somebody didnt play dota during the vanguard era ripped from playdota forums http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3666826.73 - HP Bonus decreased from 275 to 250
6.68 - HP bonus from 300 to 275
6.65 - Damage block reduced from 40 to 20 when equipped on ranged heroes (50% less block like stout and Poor Man's Shield)
6.60 - Improved block chances (65->70%)
6.60 - Improved health regeneration (5->6 hp)
6.55 - Increased Vanguard hitpoints by 50
6.50 - Improved Vanguard a littlecan see now it just keeps getting less cost effective. it still fills a hole for the heroes that need the hp and sometimes the damage block but it aint the item it once was
I never played Dota competitively (only with friends when we LAN'd up and with my brother, dorm mates, etc. ever since the version 5.29 era) until Dota2 beta which I got into around September. No I didn't play during the vanguard era but I played when all those stats were on the purchasable aegis lol. Yeah its been buffed constantly and only was nerfed recently, which i didn't play on, but that doesn't change the fact that RIGHT NOW in THIS version, I do not like Vanguard on so many heroes. I said nothing of not liking it during the 'vanguard era' lol
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On March 07 2012 12:46 NB wrote:
correct me if im wrong but i remember me right click to the ground really fast when i got called by axe in dota1 will make my attacks canceled on him therefore doesnt trigger his passive
is it the same in dota2? ~_~
Nope, cancelling your animation would result in even more spins from axe.
Counter Helix progs when the attack gets started and not when axe gets damaged
e: okay was already said
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Vanguard is still easily the most cost-efficient item in the game, but you're right that it is bad when a hero gets it instead of a farming item if they're not in extreme danger and not going to teamfight too much.
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United States47024 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:43 not jack wrote:
Vanguard is still easily the most cost-efficient item in the game, but you're right that it is bad when a hero gets it instead of a farming item if they're not in extreme danger and not going to teamfight too much.
It's not and it never has been. That would be Ironwood Branches. Even if you're choosing similar-costed items to compare cost-effectiveness, Mekansm and Janggo are still more cost-effective than Vanguard.
Comparing pure cost-effectiveness has always been awkward with DotA items though because of how larger items are generally less cost-effective (to account for the fact that they take up less slots).
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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digging darkseer jungle so far... you should be reaching lv 6 at the same time as solo mid if do it correctly @_@... sadly its a bit hard to gank using jungle darkseer...
If anyone has any good method of ganking from jungle as darkseer please do tell... i think just run out with shell and chase them is a bit too risky and fragile (unless you have a good line up builld around DS which dont happen in pub) -_-... Also since ganking isnt guarantee money, sometime its better just to stay jungle ~_~...
also how do you build DS item wise? I have been going mana boot lately but i did say some people bought the tranquil to get the early healing and void stone for mana instead. Core is always scepter into refresher :-/...
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Ion shell yourself, come from behind, Vacuum him towards the direction of your tower, block him, surge, collect kill
if needed surge your team mates.
But its fairly situational, in some situations you can also ion shell your team mates(stuff like bounty hunter Ion shell is trololololol btw)like Rikimaru or heroes who have jump skills(and may or may not have bought boots) then surge them. There is no ''this is how you do it'' Dark Seer is very versatile in that.
As for building him, vanguard to arcane boots boots(can swap these around) you can go soul ring aswell if you like but its not always needed and can delay other items. Look if you need a pipe(you usually need one) then go Aghanims and collect win.
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I just dont know how to deal with Ursa. I got NO idea.
This game I just played was so stupid.
Me as Sand King and Sniper lane. Enemy lane was Ursa and Axe. In lane, Ursa got no kills at all. Got 1 assist from a gank. Sniper useless as ever just didnt lasthit at all and didnt harras too. Basicly he did a A-Click somewhere in the mid of the lane and nothing else. I could get near Ursa cause he would kill me in lane with Axe since sniper was no help at all (at least for our team). But I managed to get some farm. I got treats, blink dagger and a Urn pretty fast. Ursa meanwhile went roaming and just murdered everyone except bot lane.
When we put some efford in teamfight we win most of them narrowly mostly 4v5. It looked all good until Ursa got a Roshan and aegis and from there on he just murdered everyone with 4 hits at a tower, died, respawned and ran away. In the end he was 10/0/4 or something.
Also at my lowest Elo just about everyone is offended if you ask them for help or tell them what not to do and arent cooperative at all. The game itself is fun, but I cant just win because people dont know how to play it at all. And I'm not a pro, but stuff like lasthitting or not running solo into enemy teams is something most pubs at my level dont do.
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
idk ursa is just ridiculous, whole game went well, ursa got little to no kills, 30 minutes into game ursa destroys everyone
what the fuck lol
only one game we didn't lose was having like 5 spare disables to use on him -_- even then he was a tough bitch because he had frigging bkb lol
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