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On September 18 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl
they beat both last time they met in the defense Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan International Flights are really really really expensive. Would cost a lot.
I think TB reported he dropped 10-16K getting his 5 players to WCS Season 2 in NA. That is over a longer time frame and Korean flights always cost a lot, but its a ton of money no matter where you fly from.
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anyway i like how everyone ignored my post on the top of last page saying that ace scheds been released and it conflicts with this event
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EG.eu and EG.na in the same tournie???
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On September 18 2013 02:16 Kraznaya wrote:
anyway i like how everyone ignored my post on the top of last page saying that ace scheds been released and it conflicts with this event
implying it can't be worked around
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On September 18 2013 02:12 Kontys wrote:
I was hoping for an all American affair, given how recent NA tournaments have demonstrated their viability. Fullsail is the All American affair.
People remember that we're not exactly swimming in international tournaments right? I've already had arguments about why you don't need to have the NA community babysat but a completely separate point is that outside of DH there isn't many tournaments like this.
SL is EU, 4 teams, intimate event.
EMS is held in a hotel room.
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On September 18 2013 02:17 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:16 Kraznaya wrote:
anyway i like how everyone ignored my post on the top of last page saying that ace scheds been released and it conflicts with this event implying it can't be worked around
somehow i doubt chinese teams will want to fly out around when ACE playoffs are about to start
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On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl
they beat both last time they met in the defense Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk
You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30
At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play.
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On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl
they beat both last time they met in the defense Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play.
ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle
seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least
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On September 18 2013 02:20 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl
they beat both last time they met in the defense Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play. ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least
What the fuck that does even mean? Is that even an argument? Entry fees are nothing new and people who whine about them shouldn't play. If you can't find the way to pull together 20-50 bucks between you and 4 buddies, you clearly didn't care enough to compete. Best not to waste anyone's time.
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As wrote the first thread, this lineup looks awesome and I will watch for sure.
In addition: it would have been a more community supportive move to close this one and add missing Info to the first created thread. The OP of the former thread must feel betrayed right now.
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On September 18 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl
they beat both last time they met in the defense Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play. ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least What the fuck that does even mean? Is that even an argument? Entry fees are nothing new and people who whine about them shouldn't play. If you can't find the way to pull together 20-50 bucks between you and 4 buddies, you clearly didn't care enough to compete. Best not to waste anyone's time.
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since u need it explained to u in simple english, if u think that no entry fee is extremely taxing on the admin who has to administer a few walkovers for people who dont show up, apparently thats ez enough for EIZO cup and BPB admins to do it every 2 weeks
mlg has no need for an entry fee and they keep shitty rules in because theres a lot of inertia in the organization (see: retarded extended series rule)
obviously there are sycophants that will defend them to the last breath but that doesnt mean unnecessary roadblocks that serve no real purpose shouldnt be criticized and removed
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On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been What would be your better invite list ?
teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers
not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3
EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result
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On September 18 2013 02:31 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been What would be your better invite list ? teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3 EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result
b-tier tourneys who cant pay for travel/accom will always target teams with big sponsors/large fanbases unfortunately
thats how egs in
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On September 18 2013 02:33 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:31 Denzil wrote:On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been What would be your better invite list ? teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3 EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result b-tier tourneys who cant pay for travel/accom will always target teams with big sponsors/large fanbases unfortunately thats how egs in
it'd even be cheaper to get KP in because you'd only have to fly half their team in as opposed to Fnatic EU
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On September 18 2013 02:30 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:
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Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play. ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least What the fuck that does even mean? Is that even an argument? Entry fees are nothing new and people who whine about them shouldn't play. If you can't find the way to pull together 20-50 bucks between you and 4 buddies, you clearly didn't care enough to compete. Best not to waste anyone's time. ? since u need it explained to u in simple english, if u think that no entry fee is extremely taxing on the admin who has to administer a few walkovers for people who dont show up, apparently thats ez enough for EIZO cup and BPB admins to do every 2 weeks) mlg has no need for an entry fee and they keep shitty rules in because theres a lot of inertia in the organization (see: retarded extended series rule) obviously there are sycophants that will defend them to the last breath but that doesnt mean unnecessary roadblocks that serve no real purpose shouldnt be criticized and removed
Right, because walk overs make for really fair brackets, when one team could get 2-4 of them and the other would have to slog though a number of games to get to the same point. Clearly, they should just let in all comers, because having everyone and their grandmother sign up, a quarter not show up and the other quarter get rolled because they are just fucking around is a great use of peoples time. I find it amusing that you think MLG should pay for KPs flights but then also not charge for a qualifier. They charge for tickets to watch the event live, too. I guess you think those should be free as well.
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On September 18 2013 02:35 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:33 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:31 Denzil wrote:On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been What would be your better invite list ? teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3 EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result b-tier tourneys who cant pay for travel/accom will always target teams with big sponsors/large fanbases unfortunately thats how egs in it'd even be cheaper to get KP in because you'd only have to fly half their team in as opposed to Fnatic EU
Unless Fnatic is covering some of their costs. Also, there is hotel costs and the fact that Fnatic has management. Unlike KP, which doesn't seem to have a full time roster.
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On September 18 2013 02:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:30 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:
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if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see
see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play. ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least What the fuck that does even mean? Is that even an argument? Entry fees are nothing new and people who whine about them shouldn't play. If you can't find the way to pull together 20-50 bucks between you and 4 buddies, you clearly didn't care enough to compete. Best not to waste anyone's time. ? since u need it explained to u in simple english, if u think that no entry fee is extremely taxing on the admin who has to administer a few walkovers for people who dont show up, apparently thats ez enough for EIZO cup and BPB admins to do every 2 weeks) mlg has no need for an entry fee and they keep shitty rules in because theres a lot of inertia in the organization (see: retarded extended series rule) obviously there are sycophants that will defend them to the last breath but that doesnt mean unnecessary roadblocks that serve no real purpose shouldnt be criticized and removed Right, because walk overs make for really fair brackets, when one team could get 2-4 of them and the other would have to slog though a number of games to get to the same point. Clearly, they should just let in all comers, because having everyone and their grandmother sign up, a quarter not show up and the other quarter get rolled because they are just fucking around is a great use of peoples time. I find it amusing that you think MLG should pay for KPs flights but then also not charge for a qualifier. They charge for tickets to watch the event live, too. I guess you think those should be free as well.
like i said ur nightmare scenario seems to never happen in eizo/bigpoint
real tournaments make money off of sponsors/ad viewership
mlg doesnt necessarily have to charge for live viewership if they become big enough, for example BW proleague in korea didnt
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On September 18 2013 02:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:35 Denzil wrote:On September 18 2013 02:33 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:31 Denzil wrote:On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been What would be your better invite list ? teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3 EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result b-tier tourneys who cant pay for travel/accom will always target teams with big sponsors/large fanbases unfortunately thats how egs in it'd even be cheaper to get KP in because you'd only have to fly half their team in as opposed to Fnatic EU Unless Fnatic is covering some of their costs. Also, there is hotel costs and the fact that Fnatic has management. Unlike KP, which doesn't seem to have a full time roster.
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the whole reason rtz was left was so kp could have 5 full time plaeyrs
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On September 18 2013 02:30 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:
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Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles. if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see see: koreans in sc2 That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything. If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend. I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue. ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k. it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous thread which is now closed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403¤tpage=2#30At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play. ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least What the fuck that does even mean? Is that even an argument? Entry fees are nothing new and people who whine about them shouldn't play. If you can't find the way to pull together 20-50 bucks between you and 4 buddies, you clearly didn't care enough to compete. Best not to waste anyone's time. ? since u need it explained to u in simple english, if u think that no entry fee is extremely taxing on the admin who has to administer a few walkovers for people who dont show up, apparently thats ez enough for EIZO cup and BPB admins to do it every 2 weeks mlg has no need for an entry fee and they keep shitty rules in because theres a lot of inertia in the organization (see: retarded extended series rule) obviously there are sycophants that will defend them to the last breath but that doesnt mean unnecessary roadblocks that serve no real purpose shouldnt be criticized and removed I find it fascinating that you think you know if a company needs to charge for something or not.
Can you run tournaments without entrance fees? Of course, does that mean every tournament should not have an entrance fee? No.
I find it hard to give people credit for their opinion if they bring up something completely unrelated which has been resolved as if it negates any sort of logic behind everything else a company has done.
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On September 18 2013 02:39 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:38 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 02:35 Denzil wrote:On September 18 2013 02:33 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 02:31 Denzil wrote:On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been What would be your better invite list ? teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3 EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result b-tier tourneys who cant pay for travel/accom will always target teams with big sponsors/large fanbases unfortunately thats how egs in it'd even be cheaper to get KP in because you'd only have to fly half their team in as opposed to Fnatic EU Unless Fnatic is covering some of their costs. Also, there is hotel costs and the fact that Fnatic has management. Unlike KP, which doesn't seem to have a full time roster. ? the whole reason rtz was left was so kp could have 5 full time plaeyrs
Ah, I thought they did not have a full time roster. Once again, I don't follow them and only get my news when they have a melt down and go full diva.
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