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On September 18 2013 01:22 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:21 Kyhron wrote:On September 18 2013 01:10 Shaella wrote:On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. I agree, they aren't in the same league as TL/EG. But I don't see how them being a couple leagues above those two teams is a reason not to invite them. yeah TL only came in 7th/8th at TI3 winning games no one thought they would, clearly Kaipi is a league above them what with their whole not even getting invited to the quals contain your fanboyism Whoa dude contain yours as well. Lets look at the current facts. TL has yet to play with their new line up where as Kaipi has been performing extremely well in Cups and StarLadder lately. Lets also not forget the reason why Kaipi was not invited to TI3 was a roster change right before qualifiers were announced disqualifying them even though they were a favorite to make it through the qualifiers. Even without sponsors they have proven to SL that the could attend the offline finals and they've been winning a bunch of smaller cups and those winnings add up. They could probably be able to make it to MLG if invited Well we should ask Adam to call up Envy's mom and see if they will let them go to MLG.
Well played, sir, well played.
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On September 18 2013 01:22 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:21 Kyhron wrote:On September 18 2013 01:10 Shaella wrote:On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. I agree, they aren't in the same league as TL/EG. But I don't see how them being a couple leagues above those two teams is a reason not to invite them. yeah TL only came in 7th/8th at TI3 winning games no one thought they would, clearly Kaipi is a league above them what with their whole not even getting invited to the quals contain your fanboyism Whoa dude contain yours as well. Lets look at the current facts. TL has yet to play with their new line up where as Kaipi has been performing extremely well in Cups and StarLadder lately. Lets also not forget the reason why Kaipi was not invited to TI3 was a roster change right before qualifiers were announced disqualifying them even though they were a favorite to make it through the qualifiers. Even without sponsors they have proven to SL that the could attend the offline finals and they've been winning a bunch of smaller cups and those winnings add up. They could probably be able to make it to MLG if invited Well we should ask Adam to call up Envy's mom and see if they will let them go to MLG.
Do you really think Pieliedie and Sing would still be on Kaipi if there wasn't some sort of sponsorship and management deals being worked on in the background?
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On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 00:46 miwi wrote:On September 18 2013 00:37 zachmok wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. They could have cut their way through the open qualifiers if they wanted. Think they are at least equal with Fnatic though. Have a 6-4 record against them and Kaipi have been on a roll lately. And TL hasnt even officially announced their new lineup yet. AFAIK MLG isn't flying teams to the event, and all these other teams are backed by an organization that is sending them to Columbus. Will Kaipi be able to make it even if they are invited? I doubt it to be honest and that's a shame because it would have been nice to see Kaipi at an offline event. The only reason nth and EE were able to go to an offline event (DHW) was because they were already backed by Razer back then who paid for their flights (or EE's flight since the others were already in Sweden). I doubt a Chinese team would go to a MLG event if they don't get their flights etc. paid. But then again, Kaipi aren't Chinese so I can see that being the case.
Huh? If you mean my first post where I mentioned DK, it was because of this tweet. Kaipi is essentially in the same situation as a Chinese team here, if they don't get a paid trip they probably can't go (don't they lack one player anyway since Aui will probably be part of the invited Dignitas?)
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On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been Kaipi brings more viewers than any of these teams except for Na'Vi/Alliance.
It's singsing and reddit's Jesus.On September 18 2013 01:25 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:22 teapoted wrote:On September 18 2013 01:21 Kyhron wrote:On September 18 2013 01:10 Shaella wrote:On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. I agree, they aren't in the same league as TL/EG. But I don't see how them being a couple leagues above those two teams is a reason not to invite them. yeah TL only came in 7th/8th at TI3 winning games no one thought they would, clearly Kaipi is a league above them what with their whole not even getting invited to the quals contain your fanboyism Whoa dude contain yours as well. Lets look at the current facts. TL has yet to play with their new line up where as Kaipi has been performing extremely well in Cups and StarLadder lately. Lets also not forget the reason why Kaipi was not invited to TI3 was a roster change right before qualifiers were announced disqualifying them even though they were a favorite to make it through the qualifiers. Even without sponsors they have proven to SL that the could attend the offline finals and they've been winning a bunch of smaller cups and those winnings add up. They could probably be able to make it to MLG if invited Well we should ask Adam to call up Envy's mom and see if they will let them go to MLG. Do you really think Pieliedie and Sing would still be on Kaipi if there wasn't some sort of sponsorship and management deals being worked on in the background? Yes I do. They play well, they will get somewhere eventually, but none of them come across as particularly business minded.
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On September 18 2013 01:25 miwi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:On September 18 2013 00:46 miwi wrote:On September 18 2013 00:37 zachmok wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. They could have cut their way through the open qualifiers if they wanted. Think they are at least equal with Fnatic though. Have a 6-4 record against them and Kaipi have been on a roll lately. And TL hasnt even officially announced their new lineup yet. AFAIK MLG isn't flying teams to the event, and all these other teams are backed by an organization that is sending them to Columbus. Will Kaipi be able to make it even if they are invited? I doubt it to be honest and that's a shame because it would have been nice to see Kaipi at an offline event. The only reason nth and EE were able to go to an offline event (DHW) was because they were already backed by Razer back then who paid for their flights (or EE's flight since the others were already in Sweden). I doubt a Chinese team would go to a MLG event if they don't get their flights etc. paid. But then again, Kaipi aren't Chinese so I can see that being the case. Huh? If you mean my first post where I mentioned DK, it was because of this tweet. Kaipi is essentially in the same situation as a Chinese team here, if they don't get a paid trip they probably can't go (don't they lack one player anyway since Aui will probably be part of the invited Dignitas?)
he wont be part of the invited dignitas
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I think KP could pay for themselves with their winnings from random tourneys, but can they be trusted ? They're typically the team who'll forget to apply for visas or won't wake up in time for the flight =D There is always (from a small sample tho) a problem with them, but well perhaps it's in the past.
anyway
Open NA Qualifier for MLG columbus
-Teams can register now for the Dota 2 Open Online Qualifier taking place from September 28 – October 16. The top eight teams along with the teams finishing 2nd-8th in the NA Fall Dota 2 League will advance to compete in the invite-only qualifier from October 21 – November 6 for this spot at the Championship in Columbus.
-Register now: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/dota-2/tournament/mlg-columbus-dota-2-qualifier/rules
KP or any chinese team would be nice to have as a 8th team tho for sure.
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On September 18 2013 01:21 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:10 Shaella wrote:On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. I agree, they aren't in the same league as TL/EG. But I don't see how them being a couple leagues above those two teams is a reason not to invite them. yeah TL only came in 7th/8th at TI3 winning games no one thought they would, clearly Kaipi is a league above them what with their whole not even getting invited to the quals contain your fanboyism Whoa dude contain yours as well. Lets look at the current facts. TL has yet to play with their new line up where as Kaipi has been performing extremely well in Cups and StarLadder lately. Lets also not forget the reason why Kaipi was not invited to TI3 was a roster change right before qualifiers were announced disqualifying them even though they were a favorite to make it through the qualifiers. Even without sponsors they have proven to SL that the could attend the offline finals and they've been winning a bunch of smaller cups and those winnings add up. They could probably be able to make it to MLG if invited
yes yes, everyone's on the kaipi bandwagon
Woo, they can win games consistently against other tier 2 euro-cis teams. Thats great.
i'm willing to say that td4 win from KP was a fluke. Na'vi completely trashed them in the finals and Alliance bombed out of that tournament.
even if you can argue that EG and Liquid don't have their new rosters revealed, do you really think those teams are going to be anything less than Tier 1?
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On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been
What would be your better invite list ?
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if u think kaipi isnt a tier1 team then sorry, you dont have much clue about dota
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On September 18 2013 01:28 teddyoojo wrote:
if u think kaipi isnt a tier1 team then sorry, you dont have much clue about dota
In the past they've pretty consistently lost against Tier 1 teams
Don't get me wrong, they're obviously better than most t2 teams, but they're at this weird spot where they're just below the top t1 teams.
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On September 18 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:10 Ravensong170 wrote:On September 18 2013 00:47 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:42 EnanoMaldito wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. They could have cut their way through the open qualifiers if they wanted. uhm. KP has been stomping Fnatic for months now, same with EG. Hell EG doesn't even have a roster confirmed. They were the last team to take a serious set out of [A] (The Defense 4) and took games out of Na'Vi in The Defense as well. How is that team inferior to teams like EG or Liquid or Fnatic, some of which don't even have a complete roster? And they can't play qualifiers, they only have 2 NA players. Kaipi didn't qualify or take part in TI3, so I think Liquid is a step above them. Second, Kaipi maybe good, but they also are a PR nightmare and have a habit of mouthing off at any given time. If you are putting together a multi million dollar event, sometimes the team that isn't going to be a pain in the ass is the team you want. Edit: And as said above, they don't have anyone to pay for their flights and I think MLG is working with the teams to assist with travel. At the end of the day, they are very talented, but they need to get a sponsor so they can afford to travel. KP wasn't given the opportunity to play at TI3, I don't think you can use the TI berth as that, and TL has a new line-up so referencing their last line up is not exactly an argument. And would not put liquid above KP until we actually see their line-up a real tournament performance with their stable line-up. AND KP had to prove they could attend the SL7 finals if they qualify since they had to drop out because they had no funding, AND the team has received new mice and EE received a NeedForSeat, which means they have probably have a sponsor somewhere, just hasn't been announced. (they also need to wait for AUI's contract with dignitas to expire as well) I don't think KP are a PR nightmare either. EE and Sing have huge followings in the DOTA scene. Having them at a tourney would only raise the incentive to watch, also for potential Alliance vs KP. Its a win win for MLG, and MLG have dealt with plenty worse PR nightmares in the past than what KP could potentially do. And I don't know what mouthing off you mean, unless you are refering to EE/Sing on stream, who don't do anymore mouthing off than Idra/Naniwa(and in tourneys certainly less than they have). KP is the best performing team in the NA/EU scene right now behind Alliance/Na'Vi. So they certainly deserve to be there, and I would say moreso than Fnatic, who have been playing badly over the last month They have no sponsor, they have no management. Their team went through a couple very public melt downs when players left or they did not get invited to TI3. Why would MLG invite them when they could invite another team that they know will attend without problems?
well
both the departures of their players and no invite to TI fiascos were exasperated by CWM's inability to keep things under wraps and further magnified by the community's focus on the team.
EE did pretty well by releasing his own statements (pretty much on behalf of the team) that were clear, concise, and levelheaded. This is, of course, disregarding what the team says behind closed doors or who EE-sama tells to fuck off in a private game lobby.
I don't quite agree that the team itself is so toxic that it's impossible to invite them to an event - in fact I'd say they're managing pretty well as an unsponsored team. Besides, the team itself is pretty marketable and popular, whether you like them or not.
That said, they still don't have a public team/backing, nor do they have a permanent roster. I guess those are the only reasons why I don't see mlg extending them an invite.
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If EG and TL are tier 1 then KP is tier 1.
Personally, I don't think any of those teams are tier 1. 2 don't even exist.
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On September 18 2013 01:31 teapoted wrote:
If EG and TL are tier 1 then KP is tier 1.
Personally, I don't think any of those teams are tier 1.
define t1
(personally i think EG is t2 and has been for awhile, but they got that EG money and them EG fans in murrica, gotta invite)
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Now let's hope for a great format that gives us plenty of matches, like a round robin bo2 into double elim bracket <3
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On September 18 2013 01:31 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:28 teddyoojo wrote:
if u think kaipi isnt a tier1 team then sorry, you dont have much clue about dota In the past they've pretty consistently lost against Tier 1 teams Don't get me wrong, they're obviously better than most t2 teams, but they're at this weird spot where they're just below the top t1 teams.
I don't think you can really argue that Kaipi is objectively worse than Fnatic, TL, or EG - at least in their pre-TI3 forms. Kaipi defeated every top team outside of Na'vi in The Defense 4, and Kaipi wins virtually every online cup they join, they were top 4 (10-5) in last Starladder group stage and are currently 5-1 in this one, and even though they fakenicked to do it, they qualified for the EMS LAN finals over EG.
TL played way above expectations at TI3 and were an extremely good team, but nothing EG or Fnatic have done recently makes it possible to really claim they're "better" than Kaipi. KP has a winning record against both teams.
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On September 18 2013 01:26 Shaella wrote:
even if you can argue that EG and Liquid don't have their new rosters revealed, do you really think those teams are going to be anything less than Tier 1?
yes because i'm not delusional.
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Sick nasty. Heres hoping for kaipi or dk for the last spot.
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On September 18 2013 01:36 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:31 Shaella wrote:On September 18 2013 01:28 teddyoojo wrote:
if u think kaipi isnt a tier1 team then sorry, you dont have much clue about dota In the past they've pretty consistently lost against Tier 1 teams Don't get me wrong, they're obviously better than most t2 teams, but they're at this weird spot where they're just below the top t1 teams. I don't think you can really argue that Kaipi is objectively worse than Fnatic, TL, or EG - at least in their pre-TI3 forms. Kaipi defeated every top team outside of Na'vi in The Defense 4, and Kaipi wins virtually every online cup they join, they were top 4 (10-5) in last Starladder group stage and are currently 5-1 in this one, and even though they fakenicked to do it, they qualified for the EMS LAN finals over EG. TL played way above expectations at TI3 and were an extremely good team, but nothing EG or Fnatic have done recently makes it possible to really claim they're "better" than Kaipi. KP has a winning record against both teams.
This.
Currently if we go by Tiers for teams, there are only two tier one teams outside of China and that is Na'vi and Alliance. Cause the rest of the field is playing pretty badly. We have yet to see EG/TL, but the only team consistently performing and beating the other teams is KP who is currently performing 3rd best of these teams (we haven't seen much of NA'vi but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they are on form.) VP, Fnatic, Quantic/mouz/flipside and empire are all playing either really badly or very inconsistently. Besides Mouz, KP have beaten/roflstomped the other teams. and they have done very well against the lower level teams. KP aren't tier one, and I say that solely because they don't have a sponsor and haven't been able to show performance at a major offline event. But by the same token, no team is tier one except Navi/[A]
personally I think the tier system everyone is using is pointless right now with the tumult of the current DOTA2 rosters.
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On September 18 2013 01:31 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 01:10 Ravensong170 wrote:On September 18 2013 00:47 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:42 EnanoMaldito wrote:On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_: Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. They could have cut their way through the open qualifiers if they wanted. uhm. KP has been stomping Fnatic for months now, same with EG. Hell EG doesn't even have a roster confirmed. They were the last team to take a serious set out of [A] (The Defense 4) and took games out of Na'Vi in The Defense as well. How is that team inferior to teams like EG or Liquid or Fnatic, some of which don't even have a complete roster? And they can't play qualifiers, they only have 2 NA players. Kaipi didn't qualify or take part in TI3, so I think Liquid is a step above them. Second, Kaipi maybe good, but they also are a PR nightmare and have a habit of mouthing off at any given time. If you are putting together a multi million dollar event, sometimes the team that isn't going to be a pain in the ass is the team you want. Edit: And as said above, they don't have anyone to pay for their flights and I think MLG is working with the teams to assist with travel. At the end of the day, they are very talented, but they need to get a sponsor so they can afford to travel. KP wasn't given the opportunity to play at TI3, I don't think you can use the TI berth as that, and TL has a new line-up so referencing their last line up is not exactly an argument. And would not put liquid above KP until we actually see their line-up a real tournament performance with their stable line-up. AND KP had to prove they could attend the SL7 finals if they qualify since they had to drop out because they had no funding, AND the team has received new mice and EE received a NeedForSeat, which means they have probably have a sponsor somewhere, just hasn't been announced. (they also need to wait for AUI's contract with dignitas to expire as well) I don't think KP are a PR nightmare either. EE and Sing have huge followings in the DOTA scene. Having them at a tourney would only raise the incentive to watch, also for potential Alliance vs KP. Its a win win for MLG, and MLG have dealt with plenty worse PR nightmares in the past than what KP could potentially do. And I don't know what mouthing off you mean, unless you are refering to EE/Sing on stream, who don't do anymore mouthing off than Idra/Naniwa(and in tourneys certainly less than they have). KP is the best performing team in the NA/EU scene right now behind Alliance/Na'Vi. So they certainly deserve to be there, and I would say moreso than Fnatic, who have been playing badly over the last month They have no sponsor, they have no management. Their team went through a couple very public melt downs when players left or they did not get invited to TI3. Why would MLG invite them when they could invite another team that they know will attend without problems? well both the departures of their players and no invite to TI fiascos were exasperated by CWM's inability to keep things under wraps and further magnified by the community's focus on the team. EE did pretty well by releasing his own statements (pretty much on behalf of the team) that were clear, concise, and levelheaded. This is, of course, disregarding what the team says behind closed doors or who EE-sama tells to fuck off in a private game lobby. I don't quite agree that the team itself is so toxic that it's impossible to invite them to an event - in fact I'd say they're managing pretty well as an unsponsored team. Besides, the team itself is pretty marketable and popular, whether you like them or not. That said, they still don't have a public team/backing, nor do they have a permanent roster. I guess those are the only reasons why I don't see mlg extending them an invite.
I know, that pesky issue of having a permanent roster and some level or any management. These tiny, minor issues that keep teams from being invited to events.
I don't dislike KP, but at the end of the day there are better options in China for MLG to invite that will bring in as many fans. and bring fewer head aches.
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It has literally 0 to do with performance. Eg liquid dignitas and fnatic are all organizations mlg has worked with in the past. Yoh don't throw away invites on teams who might not even show up bc they can't afford the trip or bc the team disbanded between now and november.
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