MLG Columbus to have Fnatic, Alliance, TL, EG, and Na`Vi

On September 18 2013 00:31 treeqt wrote:
a chinese team would be great b-but kaipi ... ;_:

On September 18 2013 00:31 Grettin wrote:
So, why two threads?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403

On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:

Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. They could have cut their way through the open qualifiers if they wanted.

On September 18 2013 00:37 zachmok wrote:


Think they are at least equal with Fnatic though. Have a 6-4 record against them and Kaipi have been on a roll lately. And TL hasnt even officially announced their new lineup yet.

On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:

Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams. They could have cut their way through the open qualifiers if they wanted.

On September 18 2013 00:43 NB wrote:
didnt know EG has a dota squad. Good news nevertheless

On September 18 2013 00:37 zachmok wrote:


Think they are at least equal with Fnatic though. Have a 6-4 record against them and Kaipi have been on a roll lately. And TL hasnt even officially announced their new lineup yet.

On September 18 2013 00:42 EnanoMaldito wrote:


uhm. KP has been stomping Fnatic for months now, same with EG. Hell EG doesn't even have a roster confirmed. They were the last team to take a serious set out of [A] (The Defense 4) and took games out of Na'Vi in The Defense as well. How is that team inferior to teams like EG or Liquid or Fnatic, some of which don't even have a complete roster?

And they can't play qualifiers, they only have 2 NA players.

On September 18 2013 00:54 DDie wrote:
At the very least mods should've merged the threads, the other one had some posts from adam.

On September 18 2013 00:30 Comeh wrote:
American dota gonna show who's the real champs around here.

On September 18 2013 00:59 wuhan_clan wrote:
It's not surprising that the teams with the most money are making the trip to Columbus. That both the no1 and no2 finishers at TI3 are playing brings great legitimacy to the Dota 2 event at MLG. Based on team representation alone, MLG has already done a good job.

Would have been even cooler if there was some kind of open bracket qualifier too (instead of just an online qualifier) but I suppose its harder to have entire amateur teams show up as opposed to amateur individuals show up (like in SC2).

On September 18 2013 00:33 Plansix wrote:

Might not get an invite, since they are not really in the same league as these other teams.

On September 18 2013 00:46 miwi wrote:

AFAIK MLG isn't flying teams to the event, and all these other teams are backed by an organization that is sending them to Columbus. Will Kaipi be able to make it even if they are invited? I doubt it to be honest and that's a shame because it would have been nice to see Kaipi at an offline event. The only reason nth and EE were able to go to an offline event (DHW) was because they were already backed by Razer back then who paid for their flights (or EE's flight since the others were already in Sweden).

On September 18 2013 01:06 Heyoka wrote:
ugh blame Rich for telling me there wasn't a thread and me for being too dumb to notice

guess we'll just have two for now since I linked this on twitter and adam posted in the other one.

On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:


I agree, they aren't in the same league as TL/EG. But I don't see how them being a couple leagues above those two teams
is a reason not to invite them.

On September 18 2013 00:47 Plansix wrote:

Kaipi didn't qualify or take part in TI3, so I think Liquid is a step above them. Second, Kaipi maybe good, but they also are a PR nightmare and have a habit of mouthing off at any given time. If you are putting together a multi million dollar event, sometimes the team that isn't going to be a pain in the ass is the team you want.

Edit: And as said above, they don't have anyone to pay for their flights and I think MLG is working with the teams to assist with travel. At the end of the day, they are very talented, but they need to get a sponsor so they can afford to travel.

On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:


I agree, they aren't in the same league as TL/EG. But I don't see how them being a couple leagues above those two teams
is a reason not to invite them.

On September 18 2013 01:10 Ravensong170 wrote:


KP wasn't given the opportunity to play at TI3, I don't think you can use the TI berth as that, and TL has a new line-up so referencing their last line up is not exactly an argument. And would not put liquid above KP until we actually see their line-up a real tournament performance with their stable line-up.

AND KP had to prove they could attend the SL7 finals if they qualify since they had to drop out because they had no funding, AND the team has received new mice and EE received a NeedForSeat, which means they have probably have a sponsor somewhere, just hasn't been announced. (they also need to wait for AUI's contract with dignitas to expire as well) I don't think KP are a PR nightmare either. EE and Sing have huge followings in the DOTA scene. Having them at a tourney would only raise the incentive to watch, also for potential Alliance vs KP. Its a win win for MLG, and MLG have dealt with plenty worse PR nightmares in the past than what KP could potentially do.

And I don't know what mouthing off you mean, unless you are refering to EE/Sing on stream, who don't do anymore mouthing off than Idra/Naniwa(and in tourneys certainly less than they have). KP is the best performing team in the NA/EU scene right now behind Alliance/Na'Vi. So they certainly deserve to be there, and I would say moreso than Fnatic, who have been playing badly over the last month

On September 18 2013 01:10 Shaella wrote:


yeah TL only came in 7th/8th at TI3 winning games no one thought they would, clearly Kaipi is a league above them what with their whole not even getting invited to the quals

contain your fanboyism

On September 18 2013 01:21 Kyhron wrote:

Whoa dude contain yours as well. Lets look at the current facts. TL has yet to play with their new line up where as Kaipi has been performing extremely well in Cups and StarLadder lately. Lets also not forget the reason why Kaipi was not invited to TI3 was a roster change right before qualifiers were announced disqualifying them even though they were a favorite to make it through the qualifiers. Even without sponsors they have proven to SL that the could attend the offline finals and they've been winning a bunch of smaller cups and those winnings add up. They could probably be able to make it to MLG if invited

On September 18 2013 01:22 teapoted wrote:
Well we should ask Adam to call up Envy's mom and see if they will let them go to MLG.

On September 18 2013 01:22 teapoted wrote:
Well we should ask Adam to call up Envy's mom and see if they will let them go to MLG.

On September 18 2013 01:07 treeqt wrote:


I doubt a Chinese team would go to a MLG event if they don't get their flights etc. paid. But then again, Kaipi aren't Chinese so I can see that being the case.

On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been

On September 18 2013 01:25 Kyhron wrote:

Do you really think Pieliedie and Sing would still be on Kaipi if there wasn't some sort of sponsorship and management deals being worked on in the background?

On September 18 2013 01:25 miwi wrote:


Huh? If you mean my first post where I mentioned DK, it was because of this tweet. Kaipi is essentially in the same situation as a Chinese team here, if they don't get a paid trip they probably can't go (don't they lack one player anyway since Aui will probably be part of the invited Dignitas?)

On September 18 2013 01:21 Kyhron wrote:

Whoa dude contain yours as well. Lets look at the current facts. TL has yet to play with their new line up where as Kaipi has been performing extremely well in Cups and StarLadder lately. Lets also not forget the reason why Kaipi was not invited to TI3 was a roster change right before qualifiers were announced disqualifying them even though they were a favorite to make it through the qualifiers. Even without sponsors they have proven to SL that the could attend the offline finals and they've been winning a bunch of smaller cups and those winnings add up. They could probably be able to make it to MLG if invited

On September 18 2013 01:24 Denzil wrote:
Shame mlg have catered to safe invites with large fan bases regardless of how poor recent form has been

On September 18 2013 01:28 teddyoojo wrote:
if u think kaipi isnt a tier1 team then sorry, you dont have much clue about dota

On September 18 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:

They have no sponsor, they have no management. Their team went through a couple very public melt downs when players left or they did not get invited to TI3. Why would MLG invite them when they could invite another team that they know will attend without problems?

On September 18 2013 01:31 teapoted wrote:
If EG and TL are tier 1 then KP is tier 1.

Personally, I don't think any of those teams are tier 1.

On September 18 2013 01:31 Shaella wrote:

In the past they've pretty consistently lost against Tier 1 teams
Don't get me wrong, they're obviously better than most t2 teams, but they're at this weird spot where they're just below the top t1 teams.

On September 18 2013 01:26 Shaella wrote:
even if you can argue that EG and Liquid don't have their new rosters revealed, do you really think those teams are going to be anything less than Tier 1?

On September 18 2013 01:36 ShiroKaisen wrote:


I don't think you can really argue that Kaipi is objectively worse than Fnatic, TL, or EG - at least in their pre-TI3 forms. Kaipi defeated every top team outside of Na'vi in The Defense 4, and Kaipi wins virtually every online cup they join, they were top 4 (10-5) in last Starladder group stage and are currently 5-1 in this one, and even though they fakenicked to do it, they qualified for the EMS LAN finals over EG.

TL played way above expectations at TI3 and were an extremely good team, but nothing EG or Fnatic have done recently makes it possible to really claim they're "better" than Kaipi. KP has a winning record against both teams.

On September 18 2013 01:31 andyrau wrote:

well
both the departures of their players and no invite to TI fiascos were exasperated by CWM's inability to keep things under wraps and further magnified by the community's focus on the team.
EE did pretty well by releasing his own statements (pretty much on behalf of the team) that were clear, concise, and levelheaded. This is, of course, disregarding what the team says behind closed doors or who EE-sama tells to fuck off in a private game lobby.
I don't quite agree that the team itself is so toxic that it's impossible to invite them to an event - in fact I'd say they're managing pretty well as an unsponsored team. Besides, the team itself is pretty marketable and popular, whether you like them or not.

That said, they still don't have a public team/backing, nor do they have a permanent roster. I guess those are the only reasons why I don't see mlg extending them an invite.

On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl

they beat both last time they met in the defense

On September 18 2013 01:53 Kraznaya wrote:
for the tl and eg fans posting in this thread kp has a winning record vs eg and theyre even-ish vs tl

they beat both last time they met in the defense

On September 18 2013 01:58 andyrau wrote:

actually tl has smashed them in most games for the last 5 months

and tl won 4 games against their 0 in TD

On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:

Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles.

On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:


if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see

see: koreans in sc2

On September 18 2013 02:02 Kraznaya wrote:


if mlg can afford a 50k prize pool they can afford to get players people want to see

see: koreans in sc2

On September 18 2013 02:01 Kraznaya wrote:


?

kp finished 2nd in the last defense and won the tiebreaker vs liquid to finish first in their group

On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:



That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything.

If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend.

I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue.

On September 18 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:

Why does that matter when the real discussion is if KP will even show up at the LAN or can afford to get the necessary plane tickets, hotels and Visas to travel to the US? I was not aware the Defense paid out for wins in frequent flyer miles.

On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:


ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition

chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events

im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan

On September 18 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:

International Flights are really really really expensive.

Would cost a lot.

On September 18 2013 02:10 Kraznaya wrote:


ya its basically up to u as an organization to decide what gives u the most value between prize pool and production value/quality of competition

chinese tournaments for example pay for travel and accommodation when teams like orange and zenith from SEA qualify for their lan events

im just saying flights/hotel would be a small fraction of 50k as opposed to a large fraction of a 5k or 10k lan

On September 18 2013 02:09 andyrau wrote:

oh, 4-1, not 4-0
tiebreaker was a bo1
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_Defense/Season_4

believe me, I like both teams a lot but kaipi has had an overall very poor losing record vs liquid.

On September 18 2013 02:07 MLG_Adam wrote:



That logic makes no sense. We can't 'afford' everything.

If I was able to I would give out $5 billion and have every team in the world attend.

I would also have a hover craft shuttle me from the hotel to the venue.

On September 18 2013 02:12 teapoted wrote:
Paying for flights/accomodation for 8 teams (half of which are in a different continent) is a significant portion of 50k.

On September 18 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:

International Flights are really really really expensive.

Would cost a lot.

On September 18 2013 02:16 Kraznaya wrote:
anyway i like how everyone ignored my post on the top of last page saying that ace scheds been released and it conflicts with this event

On September 18 2013 02:12 Kontys wrote:
I was hoping for an all American affair, given how recent NA tournaments have demonstrated their viability.

On September 18 2013 02:17 Shaella wrote:

implying it can't be worked around

On September 18 2013 02:15 Kraznaya wrote:


it depends if u cover everyone or just the team that won, say, a hypothetical open qualifier

mlgs open qualifier rules are extremely restrictive though (have to be all NA, can't be from certain states/provinces, have to PAY TO PLAY) so idk

On September 18 2013 02:19 Plansix wrote:

You pay to play to avoid teams just signing up and fucking around, wasting peoples time. Entry fees are common in all things competitive to weed out those who don't care. And MLG is supporting the local NA scene by having an open qualifier focused on them. See the previous threadwhich is now closed)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429403&currentpage=2#30

At the end of the day, MLG can't make everyone happy and have everyone's favorite team there. Its how it works. This isn't elementary school and not everyone gets to play.

On September 18 2013 02:20 Kraznaya wrote:


ya the lack of pay to play is really ruining EIZO cup and bigpoint battle

seriously though the MLG paytoplay is a relic of the ghetto halo days when they basically helped fund the tournament, no excuse now to take it from the teams that can spare the money the least

On September 18 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:

What the fuck that does even mean? Is that even an argument? Entry fees are nothing new and people who whine about them shouldn't play. If you can't find the way to pull together 20-50 bucks between you and 4 buddies, you clearly didn't care enough to compete. Best not to waste anyone's time.

On September 18 2013 01:28 MrCon wrote:

What would be your better invite list ?

On September 18 2013 02:31 Denzil wrote:


teams that have to prove themselves but don't have the opportunities because the large fanbase teams will bring more viewers

not teams that have done absolutely nothing since TI3

EG and Fnatic mainly, TL is riding the TI3 result

On September 18 2013 02:33 Kraznaya wrote:


b-tier tourneys who cant pay for travel/accom will always target teams with big sponsors/large fanbases unfortunately

thats how egs in

On September 18 2013 02:30 Kraznaya wrote:


?

since u need it explained to u in simple english, if u think that no entry fee is extremely taxing on the admin who has to administer a few walkovers for people who dont show up, apparently thats ez enough for EIZO cup and BPB admins to do every 2 weeks)

mlg has no need for an entry fee and they keep shitty rules in because theres a lot of inertia in the organization (see: retarded extended series rule)

obviously there are sycophants that will defend them to the last breath but that doesnt mean unnecessary roadblocks that serve no real purpose shouldnt be criticized and removed

On September 18 2013 02:35 Denzil wrote:


it'd even be cheaper to get KP in because you'd only have to fly half their team in as opposed to Fnatic EU

On September 18 2013 02:37 Plansix wrote:

Right, because walk overs make for really fair brackets, when one team could get 2-4 of them and the other would have to slog though a number of games to get to the same point. Clearly, they should just let in all comers, because having everyone and their grandmother sign up, a quarter not show up and the other quarter get rolled because they are just fucking around is a great use of peoples time. I find it amusing that you think MLG should pay for KPs flights but then also not charge for a qualifier. They charge for tickets to watch the event live, too. I guess you think those should be free as well.

On September 18 2013 02:38 Plansix wrote:


Unless Fnatic is covering some of their costs. Also, there is hotel costs and the fact that Fnatic has management. Unlike KP, which doesn't seem to have a full time roster.

On September 18 2013 02:30 Kraznaya wrote:


?

since u need it explained to u in simple english, if u think that no entry fee is extremely taxing on the admin who has to administer a few walkovers for people who dont show up, apparently thats ez enough for EIZO cup and BPB admins to do it every 2 weeks

mlg has no need for an entry fee and they keep shitty rules in because theres a lot of inertia in the organization (see: retarded extended series rule)

obviously there are sycophants that will defend them to the last breath but that doesnt mean unnecessary roadblocks that serve no real purpose shouldnt be criticized and removed

On September 18 2013 02:39 Kraznaya wrote:


?

the whole reason rtz was left was so kp could have 5 full time plaeyrs

On September 18 2013 02:40 teapoted wrote:
I find it fascinating that you think you know if a company needs to charge for something or not.

Can you run tournaments without entrance fees? Of course, does that mean every tournament should not have an entrance fee? No.

I find it hard to give people credit for their opinion if they bring up something completely unrelated which has been resolved as if it negates any sort of logic behind everything else a company has done.

On September 18 2013 02:40 Plansix wrote:

Ah, I thought they did not have a full time roster. Once again, I don't follow them and only get my news when they have a melt down and go full diva.

On September 18 2013 02:40 Plansix wrote:

Ah, I thought they did not have a full time roster. Once again, I don't follow them and only get my news when they have a melt down and go full diva.

On September 18 2013 02:41 Denzil wrote:


but they dont

compared to 90% of the other teams here they're the most quiet team when it comes to drama

On September 18 2013 02:39 Kraznaya wrote:


like i said ur nightmare scenario seems to never happen in eizo/bigpoint

real tournaments make money off of sponsors/ad viewership

mlg doesnt necessarily have to charge for live viewership if they become big enough, for example BW proleague in korea didnt

On September 18 2013 02:43 Kraznaya wrote:


tahts why he doesnt know anything about them silly

On September 18 2013 02:41 Kraznaya wrote:


?

hows BPB and eizo completely unrelated to how a MLG open qualifier would look

On September 18 2013 02:43 Plansix wrote:

Are you kidding me? You do know that Proleague has a 100K(unclear if that is US dollars, but I doubt it, but it was a lot of money) buy in to even play in the event until recently. 100K to have your team play. You also needed a progaming license, which was another way for Kespa to control who played where. Guess, what, the license cost money.

Please don't trying to drag stuff into the discussion you clearly don't know a lot about.

On September 18 2013 02:41 Kraznaya wrote:


?

hows BPB and eizo completely unrelated to how a MLG open qualifier would look

On September 18 2013 02:44 teapoted wrote:
The third comment is referring to your jab about extended series.

On September 18 2013 02:46 MLG_Adam wrote:


Maybe they have a different business model? Maybe they have a sponsor that subsidizes all of the activity and wants as many bodies in the event as possible?

I don't know, but I do know what our challenges are, and it is creating non intrusive revenue streams around titles we pick up. We are not trying to be a pig with this: a large portion of the revenue is paid back as prizing and the winner gets an invite + travel support to Columbus.

To be completely transparent, we will be doing more qualifiers in the future and while we're open to experimenting with how we do it, we will have to charge. I believe that once we announce the stakes for next year, that it will be a bit more justified, but as it stands we personally believe that $7.50 per player for this qualifier is a fair amoutn.

We will assess post event and gauge community feedback.

On September 18 2013 02:49 Kraznaya wrote:


i don't see how a buy in such as this is significant revenue for MLG when u can afford to give away a 50k prize pool and run such a large event

just seems like nickel and diming the little guys to me when u could just take away expenses from other parts of the event (such as the prize pool)

On September 18 2013 02:52 teapoted wrote:
My god I feel like I'm on /r/starcraft or something.

On September 18 2013 02:49 Kraznaya wrote:


i don't see how a buy in such as this is significant revenue for MLG when u can afford to give away a 50k prize pool and run such a large event

just seems like nickel and diming the little guys to me when u could just take away expenses from other parts of the event (such as the prize pool)

On September 18 2013 02:53 Denzil wrote:


why would that be

On September 18 2013 02:49 Kraznaya wrote:


i don't see how a buy in such as this is significant revenue for MLG when u can afford to give away a 50k prize pool and run such a large event

just seems like nickel and diming the little guys to me when u could just take away expenses from other parts of the event (such as the prize pool)

On September 18 2013 02:53 Denzil wrote:


why would that be

On September 18 2013 02:49 Kraznaya wrote:
just seems like nickel and diming the little guys to me when u could just take away expenses from other parts of the event (such as the prize pool)

On September 18 2013 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:



That my friend is the misconception. There is no home run revenue in esports. It is all about being lean, making money where you can, and staying efficient. The big lan events are just now starting to approach breaking even/profitability, and even then it is by narrow margins. Unfortunately MLG is our business, and it is not a marketing expense with obscene budgets (as publisher driven events are), we need to make enough money to pay our bills, pay our staff, and keep rolling.

These are my challenges, and I'm sorry you don't agree about the charges to play in a qualifier that has great prizes associated, but it is the reality I face as a business operator

On September 18 2013 02:59 Plansix wrote:

Wait, there are prizes associated with the qualifier itself? I didn't catch that in the press release, but that would be super dope if it was true.

EDIT: Actually, I'd really like to see valve build a better tournament system from the participant's point of view (more automated, like old bnet automatic tournaments) that organizations like MLG could use to run qualifiers like this and sell tickets to not only watch but to participate in as well, without having to be in personal contact with players etc. Not that personal contact is bad you understand just that it makes stuff much more complicated in general.

On September 18 2013 03:03 teapoted wrote:
That would be cool but I think there might be legal complications in some countries. Allowing people to pay an entrance fee, play, win a prize. Is an issue if dealing with real money.

On September 18 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:

That is a huge thing that can't be handled by Valve. Countries like Japan, China and Korea all have super specific laws for dealing with prizes through digital medium.

On September 18 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:

That is a huge thing that can't be handled by Valve. Countries like Japan, China and Korea all have super specific laws for dealing with prizes through digital medium.

On September 18 2013 01:36 ShiroKaisen wrote:


I don't think you can really argue that Kaipi is objectively worse than Fnatic, TL, or EG - at least in their pre-TI3 forms. Kaipi defeated every top team outside of Na'vi in The Defense 4, and Kaipi wins virtually every online cup they join, they were top 4 (10-5) in last Starladder group stage and are currently 5-1 in this one, and even though they fakenicked to do it, they qualified for the EMS LAN finals over EG.

TL played way above expectations at TI3 and were an extremely good team, but nothing EG or Fnatic have done recently makes it possible to really claim they're "better" than Kaipi. KP has a winning record against both teams.

On September 18 2013 03:09 Sn0_Man wrote:

Well, those are all the countries that valve is getting represented in by 3rd parties so I'm assuming valve could exclude their clients pretty sucessfully.

However I'll admit that yes it would be fairly complex. If it was simple I'm assuming valve would have already done it (because lets be honest, they are a hell of a lot smarter than most of the internet, especially when it comes to business and making money). I'm not sure how well valve can avoid stuff by using "Steam Wallet" instead of "actual money" but probably not as well as you'd hope.

Of course, payout would still be awkward since nobody wants $2,000 in their steam wallet lol.

On September 18 2013 03:11 deroth wrote:


Anybody who's rational and follows Dota would agree that KP is currently playing better than Fnatic (and I'm a Fnatic fan). But as many people have noted, MLG can't risk inviting a team that has a record of drama, frequent roster changes, and not showing up for LAN events when they were supposed to. Until they prove they can (eg attending this season of Starladder would be a start), they won't be taken too seriously when it comes to invites.

On September 18 2013 03:16 Denzil wrote:



compared to the other big teams they have very little roster drama, CWM in and out, and RTZ out were the only real drama changes and roster changes.

i don't know what drama you're pulling up against them so please expand upon that.

the thing im struggling to see here is how is a tier 1.5 team supposed to break into this magical tier 1 area when it's currently occupied by stale teams that are getting the invites based on reasons outside of their dota playing abilities

On September 18 2013 03:18 Shaella wrote:

>what drama
>EMS
its like you don't even know.

On September 18 2013 03:18 Snorkle wrote:
This thread is a disaster. I thought I had gotten away from the whiners and esports experts who know how to run the perfect tournament when I stopped visiting the sc2 section. I'm super excited for everything mlg is looking to do with dota! Can't wait for novemeber!

On September 18 2013 03:27 Denzil wrote:


3 months ago

you're still clinging onto that?

despite an essentially squeaky clean record since then?

On September 18 2013 03:32 ShiroKaisen wrote:
People are complaining about not seeing Kaipi because they're a team with as much skill and as many fans as any of the top non-A and non-Na'vi teams, but we still have yet to see them at a single LAN and they got passed over at TI3 qualifiers. They've more than proven themselves online, so naturally people want to see them on LAN ASAP. But since they're international, they can't try to qualify.

On September 18 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:

Incoming KP Fakenick scandal 2.0
JK

On September 18 2013 03:39 Shaella wrote:

Lust will stand in for bone7 again
What could possibly go wrong

On September 18 2013 03:46 Advantageous wrote:
HOORA FOR DOTA! is sc2 still going to be at columbus?

On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?

a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k

and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state

the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently

On September 18 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:

Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side.

Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit.

On September 18 2013 03:56 Kraznaya wrote:


?

point to a valid argment uve made lmao

On September 18 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:

Why would I try to re-justify my arguments again when you argument boils down to "Yo, shit could be improved, they could spend the money BETTER IMO!" ? If you don't like it, don't watch. Your the only one who is upset that it cost $7.50 per person for a team to give it a shot. I know Magic The Gathering tournaments that charge more.

On September 18 2013 04:05 Kraznaya wrote:


i pointed a lot of legitimate flaws with the tournament

if they fixed them, MLG would get my business and i would for example buy an in game ticket

this is why businesses do customer service and open threads like these to solicit consumer feedback

MLG reads these threads because its better for them to know why i dont like a certain part of what they do so they get more business

im surprised that u need this to be explained to u

On September 18 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:


I don’t need it explained to me, I understand. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I need it explained to me. Also, just because you don’t like something does not make it a “legitimate flaw”. Your opinion on how things should be is not “fact” And MLG read your criticism and responded. They said that they were sorry you did not agree, but that is how it makes sense for them to run their event. They are clearly reading, took what you said but did not agree with you. Saying it over and over again isn’t going to change their mind.

On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo.

On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:

$7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents.

On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:


or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one

also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world

On September 18 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:

Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world.