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veliuz
Profile Joined April 2012
9 Posts
May 24 2012 03:50 GMT
#81
is a force armor build complete shit now?

I've been thinking of making a wizard, my monk is frustratin the shit outa me (why the fuck don't heals scale with my hp!?). I swear the people at blizzard are little bitches. Game is a single player/ co-op and they hotfix the fuck outa it, and the game is super short. I don't get what they expected and what they are trying to do. TBH there isnt much enjoyment and fun to be had with this game.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 03:54:48
May 24 2012 03:52 GMT
#82
On May 24 2012 04:23 CustomKal wrote:
Lol at all the wizard complaining. Just go do the crit build. I don't see how they can fix it unless they make it so that the cooldown reduction from crits doesn't apply to defensive spells or something.


I switched off of the crit build with this change, I still have crit gear until I can afford good vit + int but I'm not using the passive.

Diamond Skin + Force armor is what made it so you can stand in the middle and perma freeze people and was insanely broken, with the change to force armor, you can get 1 shot(even with diamond skin on). Standing in the middle of a pack trying to keep them frozen just isn't going to happen your gonna die, and you 100% die vs anything ranged.

There is no reason to use the crit build if you don't have cooldowns on the abilities your using..

I'm back to the blizzard + hydra dot build where I kite and stay in back, and honestly while I can't beat inferno with it probably at least for the moment, we will see if they make more changes it's actually a lot more fun than standing in middle and perma freezing people while being invincible :p.
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JazzNL
Profile Joined March 2012
182 Posts
May 24 2012 03:53 GMT
#83
On May 24 2012 03:03 aksfjh wrote:
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On May 24 2012 02:51 unDef wrote:
Wizards won't be able to do much at all... Force Armor is pretty much complete junk now, forcing us to stack vitality again. And if we want to REALLY survive, we're going to stack a whole ton of it. Even then, Wizards just die so quick. I don't know how they expect us to get past Act 2 Inferno.

I'm gona sit on my bank and wait around while people experiment before I buy a whole new set of gear on the AH. Until then, I am going to have nightmares of Molten/Mortar/Vortex/Jailer

Yea, now wizards have to put up with the same BS that everybody else does.



No because other classes get abilities that make them viable in inferno, Wizards don't any more.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
May 24 2012 03:55 GMT
#84
i don't see how inferno should be so hard that it takes months of grinding to be able to do

yet it takes a few days to get to max level. so much fail by blizzard. they should just raise the max to 99.............
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 04:28:12
May 24 2012 04:27 GMT
#85
On May 24 2012 12:53 JazzNL wrote:
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On May 24 2012 03:03 aksfjh wrote:
On May 24 2012 02:51 unDef wrote:
Wizards won't be able to do much at all... Force Armor is pretty much complete junk now, forcing us to stack vitality again. And if we want to REALLY survive, we're going to stack a whole ton of it. Even then, Wizards just die so quick. I don't know how they expect us to get past Act 2 Inferno.

I'm gona sit on my bank and wait around while people experiment before I buy a whole new set of gear on the AH. Until then, I am going to have nightmares of Molten/Mortar/Vortex/Jailer

Yea, now wizards have to put up with the same BS that everybody else does.



No because other classes get abilities that make them viable in inferno, Wizards don't any more.


No they don't. Wizard is still the best inferno class.
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dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
May 24 2012 09:08 GMT
#86
On May 24 2012 08:14 GwSC wrote:
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On May 24 2012 07:52 w3jjjj wrote:
I don't mind inferno being tough, if it's designed so that you have to grind several month to have the gears to beat it, so be it. Just nerf the elite mobs and buff the bosses. You would still have to clear elites for the nephalem buff so it wouldn't be pure boss runs even if bosses drop the best gear.

My biggest issue is with the skill trees, what was designed to be more customization ended up being less. Yes you have more choices, but most of them don't work in inferno, so you are limited to like 1 build which is purely stupid. At least in D2 you had choices even if some are better than others, in D3 you have no choice, if you want to play inferno you have 1 build.


Saying you are limited to 1 build is a little far. Maybe for some classes. For Witch Doctor at least I have seen more than a few viable builds.


The only reason there's only 1 build for inferno, is because hardly anyone is geared for inferno and so the only builds that worked were the abusive ones. And now the worst offenders have all been nerfed.

I think it's way too early to talk about build variation, atm it's a race to see "which build requires the least amount of gear".
Mammel
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland189 Posts
May 24 2012 09:10 GMT
#87
Have they done something to aspects, been hours since i've gotten anything worth more than 1.5k at vendor, and by hours I mean not once or two, think i've killed it like 150 times over the night. Could easily be RNG but would love someone to confirm it.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
May 24 2012 09:16 GMT
#88
Wizards got fucked over by abusers and exploiters who ruin the game for themselves and everyone else. If you were running legit gear force armor was a really good skill, now it's shit. The abusers are hellbent on shitting all over critical mass, too.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
May 24 2012 10:04 GMT
#89
Yeah I'm now debating whether to keep force armor. Atm I'm tempted to say yes.
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Inex
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria443 Posts
May 24 2012 10:57 GMT
#90
On May 24 2012 12:27 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
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On May 24 2012 12:19 yurta wrote:
On May 24 2012 03:03 HardlyNever wrote:
What is clear from this(to me) is that people were not supposed to be advancing in inferno nearly as quickly as they were. They were using unintentional and broken builds/abilities to basically turn invincible because only the most serious grinders are geared enough to be getting through inferno act 1 in a "real" way. Everyone else was just exploiting these loopholes.

I know everyone expected to go through inferno almost as fast as hell, but I don't think that is what Blizzard intended at all. They basically want you to farm act 4 hell or early act 1 inferno for hours and hours to be able to get enough decent gear to progress. Whether this is fun or just "bad game design" is up to you, but it is a Diablo game. It is supposed to be about grinding content for a small chance at getting decent gear.

Personally, I'm on the fence as to whether I want to farm Skeleton King like it is beta again, or just play a different class or take a break all together (I'm currently playing a monk). I'll probably do a mix of all of the above.

Edit: I expect them to continue to play build/content whack-a-mole, as more broken combinations and more exploitable pieces of content are found. Get it while the getting is good I guess...


Two things I can take away from this and/or respond to.

1 --- Act 1 Inferno is easily soloable up until butcher where you will probably need some help, I am playing a monk and with barely any tweaking of my gear I managed to reach Butcher with ease. After Butcher however, Inferno is insanely impossible without corpse running past mobs for quests.

2 --- Inferno was never suppose to be easy, the only people full clearing it are using buggy builds or other dumb game mechanics like corpse running till they get somewhere important. When Blizz publicly states that Inferno will take months to clear legitly it isn't some sort of public troll it is truth. Everyone with there panties in a bunch needs to relax and just enjoy the games, things will get patched, skills with get patched, it will become slightly more balanced. Reroll or play Hardcore in the meantime


The thing i dont get is why do they have to wait for release to start actually WORKING on this game? What were they doing the last 10 years? Many of the issues we ran in were the most obvious flaws possible such as smokescreen Dh and energy armor wizard. Those are not bugs because THEY created the skills and the skills did what they are programed to do. Those were not bugs and yet blizzard didnt even test those? I now hardly doubt blizzard even tested inferno apart from slapping higher numbers on the monsters and deciding they were big enough to be hard/impossible. If a game that just came out after 10 years development needing a patch in the first few days of release then there is a huge problem regarding the legitimate development of this game.


First they completed the game in about 5-6 years, not 10. No idea where people are getting that idea. Second, making inferno extremely hard, yet balanced, is a task that requires just as much effort as making a new game. There are people who will roll over any content that is thrown at them, except the cheap 1 shot kills that are right now. If it wasn't cheap, people will be farming it by now and blizz doesn't want that, guess why. There are more than 6 million people who bought D3, so if the possibility of someone completing inferno is as low as 1 in a 6 million, which I doubt, then hypothetically someone should be able to do it... and one person already did it.
m00nchile
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovenia240 Posts
May 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#91
On May 24 2012 03:21 Sandster wrote:
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On May 24 2012 03:19 WirelessWaffle wrote:
On May 24 2012 03:13 w3jjjj wrote:
Misery loves company, funny how non wizard people are so happy that now wizards must suffer like they do. If everyone suffers then it's equality right?


YOU CAN DO SOMETHING GOOD AND I CAN'T ??

I don't want buffs to bring me to your level, I WANT YOU TO SUFFER! I AM THE LORD OF QQ!

I understand the change on the change on the wizard (being able to be a tank with a glass cannon build is dumb) but I really hope they toss some buffs around so people can actually attempt inferno after hell without farming for a week so they overgear everything to have a chance vs the special packs of demons.


That's the point. You can't overgear the content. Even with godly act 4 gear, people will get pulverized if they run into mobs with bad affixes in acts 2 and 3. The bosses are hilariously easy in comparison.

EDIT: If you double mob health and damage done, it'll make Inferno "harder". But the point is that there is a cap on what gear you can have.

In WoW terms, imagine if the best gear in game is what was available 2 tiers ago. You can have the best gear in the game, but your tanks will still get obliterated, and even if they survive your dps is so low that you'll hit the enrage timers.

Of course 3-6 months from now they'll nerf stuff across the board and introduce new items that are absurdly broken compared to what's possible in-game today. But the point is right now it's impossible.

Getting like 5k dps and 100k additional effective health by improving "amazing" gear to "best-possible-rolls-in-game" gear isn't even going to let you survive an additional hit.

FFS people still think they have the best gear already. Let me give you a comparison. You just started on D2 LoD. Within a week, you have found 2 SoJs, a Griffons (perf roll), a Vex (HotO), 3 Ber runes !!! (CoH + Infinity) and an Arach. Does that sound familiar? Of course not, accumulating that kind of gear takes at least a month, and that's after 1.13 where rune drops were increased a lot.
The above post was made by a noob. Take it as such.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
May 24 2012 11:41 GMT
#92
what really bothers me is that hc is completly destroyed by the fact that you know you cant realistically progress in inferno. The group that beat diablo on hell stopped playing and we will do the same. No use sacrificing your 60 hc char to 1 shot bs.I mean if people from Softcore are complaining its impossible, you know you shouldnt touch that shit on hc.
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noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
May 24 2012 11:47 GMT
#93
I cant solo act 4 as monk in hell any longer
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 24 2012 12:48 GMT
#94
On May 24 2012 20:41 diehilde wrote:
what really bothers me is that hc is completly destroyed by the fact that you know you cant realistically progress in inferno. The group that beat diablo on hell stopped playing and we will do the same. No use sacrificing your 60 hc char to 1 shot bs.I mean if people from Softcore are complaining its impossible, you know you shouldnt touch that shit on hc.

Blizz has said that you arent supposed to be able to HC inferno.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 24 2012 12:51 GMT
#95
On May 24 2012 20:41 diehilde wrote:
what really bothers me is that hc is completly destroyed by the fact that you know you cant realistically progress in inferno. The group that beat diablo on hell stopped playing and we will do the same. No use sacrificing your 60 hc char to 1 shot bs.I mean if people from Softcore are complaining its impossible, you know you shouldnt touch that shit on hc.

Are you moaning about hardcore being too hardcore?
Once people have completed the game on multiple chars on inferno, then hardcore will be possible. That's the point really.

Love the patch notes overall. Spot on Blizzard, well done.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
OneThreeOne
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway86 Posts
May 24 2012 13:18 GMT
#96
I play a Demon Hunter and i am happy about the change, im in act 2 inferno and I can do reasonably well. Atleast I can use a lot more builds now.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
May 24 2012 15:20 GMT
#97
On May 24 2012 20:41 diehilde wrote:
what really bothers me is that hc is completly destroyed by the fact that you know you cant realistically progress in inferno. The group that beat diablo on hell stopped playing and we will do the same. No use sacrificing your 60 hc char to 1 shot bs.I mean if people from Softcore are complaining its impossible, you know you shouldnt touch that shit on hc.


inferno is not meant as a natural progression from hell. they have stated several times in development that it is end of the endgame content
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 24 2012 15:24 GMT
#98
On May 24 2012 20:47 noD wrote:
I cant solo act 4 as monk in hell any longer

While sad, you probably weren't meant to with your gear in the first place. I have a feeling people were able to get too far into hell/inferno using what amounts to broken builds.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 15:48:52
May 24 2012 15:47 GMT
#99
On May 24 2012 18:16 Kickboxer wrote:
Wizards got fucked over by abusers and exploiters who ruin the game for themselves and everyone else. If you were running legit gear force armor was a really good skill, now it's shit. The abusers are hellbent on shitting all over critical mass, too.


Force armor is still good. If you don't have the highest possible resistances/vitality gear it still makes most one shots survivable with diamond skin, and it gets better and better at lower and lower health. You'll just need actual gear to see the results the old force armor had, which was fairly broken considering you only needed two stats to tank almost anything.
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
May 24 2012 16:33 GMT
#100
On May 24 2012 20:41 diehilde wrote:
what really bothers me is that hc is completly destroyed by the fact that you know you cant realistically progress in inferno. The group that beat diablo on hell stopped playing and we will do the same. No use sacrificing your 60 hc char to 1 shot bs.I mean if people from Softcore are complaining its impossible, you know you shouldnt touch that shit on hc.


How did you not see this coming? There was even an interview where someone asked if inferno was supposed to playable on inferno and the answer was "no, but we're giving players the chance to surprise us".
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