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On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks. I cant believe you people that dont seem to take constructive criticism... there are many post that are well written and bring up many of the issues im bringing up... why cant we post what we feel is good constructive criticism... its not like im saying D3 is too hard and QQ about it... im pointing out why D3 is flawed/boring after 10 years development.
We don't have any problem with pointing out the flaws of D3. You write like a child with no concept of how to construct a sentence, and so no one will read anything you write no matter how angry you are at blizzard.
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On May 23 2012 07:32 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks. I cant believe you people that dont seem to take constructive criticism... there are many post that are well written and bring up many of the issues im bringing up... why cant we post what we feel is good constructive criticism... its not like im saying D3 is too hard and QQ about it... im pointing out why D3 is flawed/boring after 10 years development. We don't have any problem with pointing out the flaws of D3. You write like a child with no concept of how to construct a sentence, and so no one will read anything you write no matter how angry you are at blizzard.
Are you saying people without an education or who cant write dont have a voice? or the opportunity to express what they believe is right or wrong... wow... you have to judge the content of the information and not on how it is written and discuss the point that have been brought up... stop your elitist attitudes
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I'm meele so its pretty self explanatory.....getting 1 shot by normal mobs with 50k hp in the later acts. Fun times.....I'm just kicking myself for being fucking stupid and rolling meele instead of wizard like I was originally gonna do -_-
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On May 23 2012 07:47 [Crimson]Bason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:32 worldsnap wrote:On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks. I cant believe you people that dont seem to take constructive criticism... there are many post that are well written and bring up many of the issues im bringing up... why cant we post what we feel is good constructive criticism... its not like im saying D3 is too hard and QQ about it... im pointing out why D3 is flawed/boring after 10 years development. We don't have any problem with pointing out the flaws of D3. You write like a child with no concept of how to construct a sentence, and so no one will read anything you write no matter how angry you are at blizzard. Are you saying people without an education or who cant write dont have a voice? or the opportunity to express what they believe is right or wrong... wow... you have to judge the content of the information and not on how it is written and discuss the point that have been brought up... stop your elitist attitudes
Tough luck dude. People who can't express their thoughts coherently get ignored, and that's just how the world works.
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and blizzard with their sneaky patch and no patch notes... just wow... nothing no details or anything... you are supposed to release the patch notes with the patch or even before the patch to let the players know... what has blizzard fallen to... imagine a secret sc2 patch that everyone is blind to... how would that effect the pro scene...
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On May 23 2012 07:57 antelope591 wrote:
I'm meele so its pretty self explanatory.....getting 1 shot by normal mobs with 50k hp in the later acts. Fun times.....I'm just kicking myself for being fucking stupid and rolling meele instead of wizard like I was originally gonna do -_-
I really don't know why people post things like these... were you planning to just make one character? Or is the fact that your wizard going to be "late" to level 60 a problem?
I rolled a monk because I found the class fun in the beta, and if at any time I hit a wall with him I'm just going to cheerfully roll another character. Maybe farm gear for the monk with it if it can go further.
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On May 23 2012 08:04 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
and blizzard with their sneaky patch and no patch notes... just wow... nothing no details or anything... you are supposed to release the patch notes with the patch or even before the patch to let the players know... what has blizzard fallen to... imagine a secret sc2 patch that everyone is blind to... how would that effect the pro scene...
Games versus AI shouldn't have patch notes. Half the fun is figuring out what has changed and how to deal with it.
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Reading Crimsons stuff gives me a headache.
Anyway, Im lvling up a HC barbarian, are you all saying its a futile endeavor? Right now it feels alot more fun than Wizard (which is helluva fun!)
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On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks.
Pretty easy to dismiss any negative post as 'ranting'.
He has some good points I agree with, overabundance of things that the player can't do anything about and ignore micro, which is the same thing we bitch about in SC2.
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On May 23 2012 08:16 Catch]22 wrote:
Reading Crimsons stuff gives me a headache.
Anyway, Im lvling up a HC barbarian, are you all saying its a futile endeavor? Right now it feels alot more fun than Wizard (which is helluva fun!)
I just got my HC Monk to A3 Normal. I'm taking things nice and slow so I might be over leveled, but I still feel terribly undergeared. I haven't used the AH yet though, maybe I'll have to make a dip into it to try and nab some nice gear.
Edit: Wow, just realized this thread wasn't what I thought it was when I replied. More on topic:
Hopefully they add some type of scaling to the monk heal before I get to Inferno, it would be so sad to not be able to use one of my spells because it won't increase my health bar for anything =[.
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On May 23 2012 06:50 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:52 Order wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. Nobody said the game is too difficult. The problem is that it's more difficult for some classes than the others which is a balancing issue. D2 was also imbalanced then. I don't want every class to be a hammerdin, but I also don't mind that hammerdins exist. I also don't think it was such a issue that only Sorcs had teleport. Specially with the way immunities worked in D2, it was very easy for some classes to have a much harder time than others soloing Hell. I don't think imbalances are such an issue, as long as every class is playable, and they do seem playable so far.
with auction house though having an 'op' class is like a circle jerk of better loot > get more money > get even better loot, for your main or any alts. and worst comes to worst and it will have a huge effect on real money AH, great geared DH? np make some money, playing a barbarian? lol you cant kill this, silly barbarian.
On May 23 2012 08:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 08:04 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
and blizzard with their sneaky patch and no patch notes... just wow... nothing no details or anything... you are supposed to release the patch notes with the patch or even before the patch to let the players know... what has blizzard fallen to... imagine a secret sc2 patch that everyone is blind to... how would that effect the pro scene... Games versus AI shouldn't have patch notes. Half the fun is figuring out what has changed and how to deal with it.
games where when you die your character dies for realz shouldnt have booby traps.
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DH > Wizard >> Monk > WD >> Barb in inferno.
especially without great gear
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There certain elites in Inferno that are just flatout unbeatable and should be removed or retuned. Elites that come with suffixes like "Desecrator, Vortex, Frozen, Fast". It doesn't matter how good your gear is. Once you get caught in a vortex/frozen/descrate combo you are dead. Having unkillable mobs in the game does not make it more difficult or fun. It makes it annoying and frustrating.
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I'm in Act 2 Inferno atm, and so far I think that DH is the best class hands down, much thanks to smoke screen.
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On May 23 2012 09:58 KalWarkov wrote:
DH > Wizard >> Monk > WD >> Barb in inferno.
especially without great gear
I hope that's true, the poll on page 5 says people think wizard is better but I'd much rather play demon hunter
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On May 23 2012 09:58 nonsequitur wrote:
There certain elites in Inferno that are just flatout unbeatable and should be removed or retuned. Elites that come with suffixes like "Desecrator, Vortex, Frozen, Fast". It doesn't matter how good your gear is. Once you get caught in a vortex/frozen/descrate combo you are dead. Having unkillable mobs in the game does not make it more difficult or fun. It makes it annoying and frustrating.
Hmm.. What gear level and difficulty level are we talking about? I felt the same way when i just hit Inferno... But after grinding out some more gears, things became a lot more bearable.
Granted i'm not yet at act 2, but are you certain your gear are good enough for your level? It is stated before that player are expected to farm for gears should they feel overwhelmed by the content. I can't be sure, but there's a chance you are undergeared. As most people at the end of Inferno should be, game has just been out a week, absolute top gears might not even have dropped yet.
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On May 23 2012 10:08 ffreakk wrote:Granted i'm not yet at act 2, but are you certain your gear are good enough for your level? It is stated before that player are expected to farm for gears should they feel overwhelmed by the content. I can't be sure, but there's a chance you are undergeared. As most people at the end of Inferno should be, game has just been out a week, absolute top gears might not even have dropped yet.
I'm in act 2 of inferno. Using the "crit/regen" wizard build. Once I'm caught in frozen+desecrate I'm dead in less than a second. Which means the damage was nearly 25k/sec. And with vortex, frozen and fast as their suffixes, it's not like you can kite or get out of desecrate.
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On May 23 2012 10:07 Assault_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 09:58 KalWarkov wrote:
DH > Wizard >> Monk > WD >> Barb in inferno.
especially without great gear I hope that's true, the poll on page 5 says people think wizard is better but I'd much rather play demon hunter
dh without perma or almostperma SS is a meatball on inferno, otherwise it's pretty easy (not rly easy, but waywayway easier than with barb or wd)
man the balance in this game is not nearly as good as it should be
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On May 23 2012 09:58 nonsequitur wrote:
There certain elites in Inferno that are just flatout unbeatable and should be removed or retuned. Elites that come with suffixes like "Desecrator, Vortex, Frozen, Fast". It doesn't matter how good your gear is. Once you get caught in a vortex/frozen/descrate combo you are dead. Having unkillable mobs in the game does not make it more difficult or fun. It makes it annoying and frustrating.
I'm not saying that this is a great to design the game. But really... people need to consider wtf they are talking about in all these replies. Blizz stated that every Act in Inferno would require a new tier of items. Just as hell required a higher tier than nightmare. So ..basically if you die instantly in act2 inferno with gear mostly from the end of hell, is like dying with gear from normal mode in hell. would people consider that weird? no.
I agree that it is completely stupid that some builds on DH and Wiz can circumvent that gear requirement. But i dont get why everybody else needs to rant about it? Its a PvE only game (at this point anyways). Why does it piss you off that others use easy ways to finish early? In a way you could be happy, that some people farm lots of endgame gear, cuz that will make it cheaper for you to buy on the AH. Thats great for everybody, cuz then you can buy it, be done with the game and go back to wherever you came from. If you are however interested in farming your own gear, than you might not be wrong at this game. If you dont wanna farm, diablo is not your game.
Blizzard has screwed up a LOT of things in D3. You can check other threads where I posted how completely pointless and painfully badly designed the entire crafting "system"is. Thats just one example.
One thing however I am very happy about, is that so many people whine how impossible inferno is. Course Blizz ept their promise to make it near impossible.
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On May 23 2012 10:12 nonsequitur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 10:08 ffreakk wrote:Granted i'm not yet at act 2, but are you certain your gear are good enough for your level? It is stated before that player are expected to farm for gears should they feel overwhelmed by the content. I can't be sure, but there's a chance you are undergeared. As most people at the end of Inferno should be, game has just been out a week, absolute top gears might not even have dropped yet. I'm in act 2 of inferno. Using the "crit/regen" wizard build. Once I'm caught in frozen+desecrate I'm dead in less than a second. Which means the damage was nearly 25k/sec. And with vortex, frozen and fast as their suffixes, it's not like you can kite or get out of desecrate.
blizzard has no clue what they are doing... they think this is the "hard" everyone wanted... to die without being able to do anything... absolutely nothing u can do... either run past them or restart the game and get better affix monsters. this is why HC is not going to work in D3 with the current affixes on monsters. because you will die and there's nothing u can do about it no skill or micro will save you.
there is a reason why there is only chill (movement slow in D2) and not Frozen like in D3
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