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On May 23 2012 05:30 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:27 andrewlt wrote:On May 23 2012 01:06 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 01:03 vanTuni wrote:On May 23 2012 00:45 Tobberoth wrote:On May 23 2012 00:42 vanTuni wrote:
wow. so much whine.
1) farm more gear. Yes, doing butcher runs over and over again sucks, but farm-runs are not a "stupid part" of the game they ARE the game!
2) Everybody whined when they first entered hell. Some went back and farmed, other went to the AH. Now inferno (espcially post Act1) is a massively bigger jump in difficulty, so the need to farm is massively bigger. The gear is out there. Farm it, or farm money. With 50 million gold, you could equip any char from the AH to be able to beat the game. So here we go again: Farming IS Diablo. Its not Skyrim or Mass Effect.
3) I agree, that the Wizard needs a fix. Its the only class excluded from the FARM MOAR gdamnit rule.
1) Sure, if it helps. According to most people, it seems it doesn't though, even barbarians with really good gear seems to have huge problems. well... i dont think there is anybody with "really good gear" out there yet. if soeone has 1-2 good items, great, he was luckier than others. but i sincerely believe there are people out there who have top-rolled items in every slot. If there are, and they cant beat the game. Thats when we really can start talking about balance. Everything else.. meh people already beat the game what are u talking about... there is no incentive of farming the better items because.. they are not really any better... ie i have a +100 vita armor ... so i want to farm more (hours/days) to get a +102 vita armor... not interesting or rewarding... in D2 farm and got a high rune... i can now make a rune word that will have unique stats and skills that were not available before.... thats interesting and drive the will to farm
I quit D2 around 2002. Nobody got any of the good rune words yet. The drop rates were so small that everybody who got one cheated to get it. For people who are not bots, there is no reason to farm at all. D2 was even easier than D3. You did not need any of the top items at all. Feedback based on nostalgia is not constructive at all. There are a lot of people who played D2 up to this year. They can also give feedback. Who's commenting from nostalgia here?
It's hard to compare to D2 though, when every single end game item was either duped or farmed with a bot. How many EBOTDs do you think there would be per ladder season without botting/duping? And all those godly res boots were dupes, along with any other good rare.
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On May 23 2012 05:30 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:27 andrewlt wrote:On May 23 2012 01:06 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 01:03 vanTuni wrote:On May 23 2012 00:45 Tobberoth wrote:On May 23 2012 00:42 vanTuni wrote:
wow. so much whine.
1) farm more gear. Yes, doing butcher runs over and over again sucks, but farm-runs are not a "stupid part" of the game they ARE the game!
2) Everybody whined when they first entered hell. Some went back and farmed, other went to the AH. Now inferno (espcially post Act1) is a massively bigger jump in difficulty, so the need to farm is massively bigger. The gear is out there. Farm it, or farm money. With 50 million gold, you could equip any char from the AH to be able to beat the game. So here we go again: Farming IS Diablo. Its not Skyrim or Mass Effect.
3) I agree, that the Wizard needs a fix. Its the only class excluded from the FARM MOAR gdamnit rule.
1) Sure, if it helps. According to most people, it seems it doesn't though, even barbarians with really good gear seems to have huge problems. well... i dont think there is anybody with "really good gear" out there yet. if soeone has 1-2 good items, great, he was luckier than others. but i sincerely believe there are people out there who have top-rolled items in every slot. If there are, and they cant beat the game. Thats when we really can start talking about balance. Everything else.. meh people already beat the game what are u talking about... there is no incentive of farming the better items because.. they are not really any better... ie i have a +100 vita armor ... so i want to farm more (hours/days) to get a +102 vita armor... not interesting or rewarding... in D2 farm and got a high rune... i can now make a rune word that will have unique stats and skills that were not available before.... thats interesting and drive the will to farm
I quit D2 around 2002. Nobody got any of the good rune words yet. The drop rates were so small that everybody who got one cheated to get it. For people who are not bots, there is no reason to farm at all. D2 was even easier than D3. You did not need any of the top items at all. Feedback based on nostalgia is not constructive at all. There are a lot of people who played D2 up to this year. They can also give feedback. Who's commenting from nostalgia here?
I was very active in the Lurker Lounge, the forum where veterans like Jarulf and Crystallion(sp?) hanged out and mined the inner workings of Diablo 2. I still remembered the day the static field area bug was found out. I stopped being active in 2002, quit closed bnet, and only played LAN casually with relatives a few times after that.
The point I'm making is the top items were still non-existent at that point. Too many D2 veterans who played to this year keep reminiscing about the top end rune words and other crap from D2. I can guarantee you that 100% of those were gotten through cheating, a combination of both duping and botting. D2 was run on a shadow economy and some people are sad to see their cash cow go.
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Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.
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On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.
Nobody said the game is too difficult. The problem is that it's more difficult for some classes than the others which is a balancing issue.
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On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.
Yes we have. Still broke.
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On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.
If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads.
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I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.
What gear am I supposed to possess?
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On May 23 2012 05:58 Medrea wrote:
I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.
What gear am I supposed to possess?
Well, people did ask for a challenge. They did the same mistake in Diablo 2 by only opening Act 1 normal for beta testing. They had the opposite problem then with the game being too easy instead of being too difficult.
As an aside, I'm only up to nightmare but I noticed that there are certain affixes that seem to be mutually exclusive, even for rares. I've yet to see a rare with more than one different +elemental damage, for instance. Opening this up should make the game easier. That and adding a few more defensive affixes on items.
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On May 23 2012 05:58 Medrea wrote:
I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.
What gear am I supposed to possess?
I wonder that myself. Even when I browse the auction house and theorhetically if I bought every best in slot, I'm pretty confident my barb couldn't solo Inferno.
I'm to act 3 inferno now and pretty much gave up, only doing act4 runs with mage or WD, no life style. I have over 65k hp, 10k armor, 73% resist to all (some being higher) and I can still die to random normal pack of monsters from time to time. I can generally tank Act 4, but it's really not worth the effort at the moment. Unless I'm going to find items that give me 50k more hp, 30k more dps, and even more mitigation, I don't think I'll be clearing inferno as a solo barb.. ever.
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wait wait we melees have a passive 30% reduction build in? never heard of that before.
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On May 23 2012 06:05 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:58 Medrea wrote:
I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.
What gear am I supposed to possess? Well, people did ask for a challenge. They did the same mistake in Diablo 2 by only opening Act 1 normal for beta testing. They had the opposite problem then with the game being too easy instead of being too difficult. As an aside, I'm only up to nightmare but I noticed that there are certain affixes that seem to be mutually exclusive, even for rares. I've yet to see a rare with more than one different +elemental damage, for instance. Opening this up should make the game easier. That and adding a few more defensive affixes on items.
Frozen Molten Desecrate ArcaneOrb is something I have seen.
The problem is simply this. Why is Act 1 Inferno gear not appropriate for Act 2 inferno? Why am I forced to farm later acts to do earlier acts?
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On May 23 2012 06:36 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 06:05 andrewlt wrote:On May 23 2012 05:58 Medrea wrote:
I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.
What gear am I supposed to possess? Well, people did ask for a challenge. They did the same mistake in Diablo 2 by only opening Act 1 normal for beta testing. They had the opposite problem then with the game being too easy instead of being too difficult. As an aside, I'm only up to nightmare but I noticed that there are certain affixes that seem to be mutually exclusive, even for rares. I've yet to see a rare with more than one different +elemental damage, for instance. Opening this up should make the game easier. That and adding a few more defensive affixes on items. Frozen Molten Desecrate ArcaneOrb is something I have seen.
I think he means on weapons, where you can't get more than one suffix (no rare weapons with 'of the Heavens' and 'from Beyond' for massive damage).
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On May 23 2012 05:52 Order wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. Nobody said the game is too difficult. The problem is that it's more difficult for some classes than the others which is a balancing issue.
D2 was also imbalanced then. I don't want every class to be a hammerdin, but I also don't mind that hammerdins exist. I also don't think it was such a issue that only Sorcs had teleport. Specially with the way immunities worked in D2, it was very easy for some classes to have a much harder time than others soloing Hell. I don't think imbalances are such an issue, as long as every class is playable, and they do seem playable so far.
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On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads.
haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them.
without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape.
there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something
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On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something
I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks.
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On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks.
I cant believe you people that dont seem to take constructive criticism... there are many post that are well written and bring up many of the issues im bringing up... why cant we post what we feel is good constructive criticism... its not like im saying D3 is too hard and QQ about it... im pointing out why D3 is flawed/boring after 10 years development.
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On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc...
Lol. Undead Soul killers? Any kind of lightning enchanted mob? Venom lord mobs? Trash mobs? Glooms? Urders? Tainted?
Try again with a legitimate argument sometime. I'm not even gonna waste my time fleshing out the rest of the garbage in your post.
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On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something
Dude... grammar is your friend. I honestly tried 3 times to read this =/
Also, you're just plain wrong about some of your assumptions from D2
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On May 23 2012 07:17 Lagcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc...
Lol. Undead Soul killers? Any kind of lightning enchanted mob? Venom lord mobs? Trash mobs? Glooms? Urders? Tainted? Try again with a legitimate argument sometime. I'm not even gonna waste my time fleshing out the rest of the garbage in your post.
you are the garbage LOL are you serious?? they dont 1 shot u the way the D3 inferno mobs do... even if its poison u have time to react because it takes u down to 1 hp ... unless u were naked... which you shouldnt be... I am talking about people who are fully geared from items that they cant even farm for... ie items from later acts of inferno they are wearing it and still getting 1 shot it...if you were careful or used ur skills right in D2 you are not going to die...
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On May 23 2012 07:23 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals. If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads. haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them. without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape. there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something Dude... grammar is your friend. I honestly tried 3 times to read this =/ Also, you're just plain wrong about some of your assumptions from D2
which ones are you talking about... point them out??? you cant just say something without providing evidence?
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