Balance disussion (Inferno)

On May 22 2012 04:29 NotSorry wrote:
As a DH I can't take even a single hit, I have to kill everything from either a full screen or during my ss + prep spam

On May 22 2012 20:59 musai wrote:
Inferno is complete shit, melee is useless after act 2, they're pretty bad in act 2 already. The mobs hit so hard that even white mobs in act 4 will 1 shot a geared tank. All melee is good for is buffing / ressing. I'm kind of sad they fixed the chest farming in act 2 so quickly, would have been nice to get some easy gear before progressing into inferno.

Only Wizards abusing the 35% bug or DH spamming smoke screen can do anything in the later acts, wonder why those haven't been fixed yet but the monk raid bubble was fixed.

It's nice they tried to make inferno difficult, but having mobs that simply 1 shot you with regular melee isn't the way to go.

On May 22 2012 21:41 Caphe wrote:
I am a Barb and I know Wizard abuse the shit out of the current situation but thats not completely about balance, thats bad game design or even that is intended. Who know?

Maybe the only balance issue is the effort you need to put into a Barb vs a Wizard in order to beat Inferno. If you chose a difficult road, man up and go on .

On May 22 2012 21:47 unkkz wrote:
People "playing melee" seem to forget about Extra fast, Walling, Jailing, Extra HP. Those affixed coupled with other things makes kiting hard/frustrating/impossible. An extra fast mob just walks right over an 80% snare like its nothing.

On May 22 2012 21:51 Tobberoth wrote:

I'd say it's more a question of viability. We all know that there are "broken" wizard builds which allow tanking of act 4 rares, which are the hardest enemies in the game, no doubt, if you play the game legit, the wizard will always be oneshot without a doubt, and has nothing like the kiting ability of a DH. It's not about being harder or easier, it's about one way working and the other being impossibe. So the question is, of course, is it actually possible for a barbarian to solo inferno? If act 2 enemies 2shot barbarians with full act 1 inferno armor, how can they ever get to the point where they beat diablo?

Blizzard making a difficult game is a nice thing, them making an impossible game is not so nice.

On May 22 2012 21:51 Tobberoth wrote:

I'd say it's more a question of viability. We all know that there are "broken" wizard builds which allow tanking of act 4 rares, which are the hardest enemies in the game, no doubt, if you play the game legit, the wizard will always be oneshot without a doubt, and has nothing like the kiting ability of a DH. It's not about being harder or easier, it's about one way working and the other being impossibe. So the question is, of course, is it actually possible for a barbarian to solo inferno? If act 2 enemies 2shot barbarians with full act 1 inferno armor, how can they ever get to the point where they beat diablo?

Blizzard making a difficult game is a nice thing, them making an impossible game is not so nice.

On May 22 2012 22:03 aksfjh wrote:

It's more of the fact that making a game that is impossible for some is not so nice. It'd be fine if Wizards had to deal with the same level of frustration, but they don't. What's more, they do so through an ability that essentially got left out of the very, very standard survivability clause of "can only happen once every X seconds."

On May 22 2012 22:10 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Actually think the WD is balanced apart from the summons in Inferno. Changing builds all the time to suit the mobs im fighting, keeps the game fun! Summons really need a buff on inferno tho. Id say lower the enemy damage in inferno (also fixes barbproblem) but double the health or something like that.

On May 22 2012 21:23 King_ wrote:
Im not in Inferno yet, but playing barb i agree with all you guys said here! Melee are not viable to solo inferno atm. What blizz can do? I honestly dont know, but im pretty sure that they are thinking in a way to make the game fun for Melee characters in inferno.

Another thing that bother´s me is the fact that after AII in Hell, you MUST go tank on mobs and FULL dps on bosses. In my opinion, the game was designed in a way that you could have freedom to choose your build as you like, for any situation. The game is forcing you to go in a especific way. You cant got 2H barb in Hell and Inferno, you just cant, you must go 1H and Shield and in Bosses 2 1H, this make the game much more straitfoward! If its gona be this way, let us choose our stats again! After a month, if there will be no changes, all barbs will be exactly the same during mob fights and bosses fights!

At last, most classes have some kind of CC imunity, Monks and DHs can easily break a freezing, stun or slow movement, but Barbs must activate a 2min CD to free themselves. To a melee character this is unthinkable! When i see the ice spikes, i immediately start to kite the mobs, but then, im taking severe dmg from the elite ones and NOT doing ANY dps, if i get frozen, its GG for me, certain death! Ignore Pain should make barb imunity from these kind of CCs or at least make him break it, like wow trinket.

On May 22 2012 02:23 VoirDire wrote:
2. Melee characters doesn't seem as viable as ranged characters for several reasons:
a) Most elite mobs modifiers are designed to be difficult for melee characters. Molten/Arcane enchanted/Frozen/Fire chains/Plagued/Desecrator/Vampiric. The only real danger for ranged chars are vortex and mortar.
b) Ranged characters can kite and thereby focus on damage and kill much faster.

On May 22 2012 22:12 Az0r_au wrote:


Totally agree with barbs being very bellow average atm, but we do have one semi-reliable low CD immunity in charge. If you time it right you can immune the frost explosions.

On May 22 2012 22:13 NightOfTheDead wrote:


Your view seems a bit off. Try ranged char, i think your perspective will change. Jailor with any mortar/fast/plagued molten are much worse for ranged. Fast trait on already fast mobs, are nearly impossible without debatable mechanics/abuses. Fast+invulnerable minions is like a worst combination.

I agree, melee has less kiting tools to work with. But one shotted from fast trash mobs isnt fun at all. Melee classes have no problem with white trash, however, EVERY single trash mob matters to wiz/dh, cause they just die.

Im kinda not disagreeing completely, just saying that ranged doesnt have THAT much more luxury as you sound. They have it hard time alright.

On May 22 2012 22:18 Noocta wrote:


I think almost every class has a spell who break jailor.

On May 22 2012 21:59 nomsayin wrote:
Once I got to late nightmare and hell my Barbarian became worthless. I wouldn't say being undergeared is the problem. I have level 50+ gear twice as good as anything in the auction house because there aren't enough people that high up (I'm playing harcore). The thing about Barbs is that they are melee but can't tank at later difficulties. However, this is not a Melee issue. I would argue that Monk is the best class in the game, but is absolutely superior to the Barbarian.. If you're interested, please read on for a quick explanation of why this is the case.

First, dodge and armor both have diminishing returns, and Barbarians have tons of armor boosts but they are overkill, and the skills offer no help with dodge. Second, there's also no skills to help get high resistances, which are essential for fighting off elemental damage in hell.

On the other hand, Monks get dodge from their primary attribute, dexterity, and a good armor rating that naturally comes with high level gear. They have passive which matches their resistances to all types of damage (including physical) to their single highest resistance. To top it off, they have multiple active healing and passive healing skills, a resistance boosting passive, and even a god mode skill, which makes you temporarily invincible and escapes from all stuns. It's simply very difficult to die as a monk, and if you do he might still live to fight another day (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/passive/near-death-experience).

You can see how this makes the Monk much stronger than the Barbarian later in the game. Especially considering that I play hard core, there is no reason for me to play a squishy Barbarian who can't solo trashmobs in hell when I can lead a group or solo with a Monk. For these reasons, I've given up on my barb until other players make it through hell and start selling gear in the AH. I started a Monk and I'll continue playing that.

TLDR: Monks are very strong in late difficulties, while Barbarians can't even tank trashmobs.

On May 22 2012 22:26 ffreakk wrote:
In any case, why should we care too much about balance in a game that's predominantly meant for Single-Player? They did say that Coop is only a "on the side" thing, Single Player is the main focus.

On May 22 2012 22:18 Noocta wrote:


I think almost every class has a spell who break jailor.

On May 22 2012 22:33 CruelZeratul wrote:


Is there a way to break a jail as Wizard? I'd like to know.

On May 22 2012 22:11 Tobberoth wrote:

And how would that happen? Take away force armor and wizard becomes completely unplayable in inferno, even with perfect gear you would never stand a chance in act 4. And I would say it is the same frustration, or even worse. Barbarians can get down and work on their gear. As a wizard, you either give up, or start checking AH for gear which lets you use a boring cheesy build.

On May 22 2012 22:36 TheYango wrote:
Wizard actually has 2 abusable builds. There's Energy Armor+Force Armor, and there's also Magic Weapon+Venom/Shock Pulse+Living Lightning/Critical Mass which lets you have have infinitely spammable Frost Nova and Diamond Skin.

On May 22 2012 22:38 Tobberoth wrote:

And you can use both at once.

On May 22 2012 22:37 aksfjh wrote:

And yet the same is true for melee... Gear doesn't actually keep them from 1-shotting you since diminishing returns kick in too much before you hit the 1 shot damage. Reducing the damage by 70% isn't going to help a lot when a normal mob does 170k damage and you have 50k health. If that's the case with a normal mob, blues and golds are suddenly impossible even in best circumstances.

On May 22 2012 02:33 trinxified wrote:
I like your points. Sums up a lot of the balance issues. Maybe the overall use of the Auction House is also a problem? Although this is really the only way to gear up accordingly for the later difficulties, I just find it stupid to leave the game to buy/sell new items... Almost defeats the purpose of looting.

On May 22 2012 20:38 Sindriss wrote:
My biggest problem is what is mentioned many times already: Ranged have it so much easier in inferno than melee, that it is not even funny. This ensures that they more easily can grind good gear, thereby earn more money and thus, have a much better start, as prices are high for good stuff.
I play a barb myself, so is biased, but I just think that there should be more ranged orientated abilities on mobs, so that they do not have such an easier time due to kiting. This would probably at least help to equalize the wide gab between ranged and melee that currently exists.

On May 22 2012 22:39 Tobberoth wrote:

Which is obviously Blizzard messing up, saying it would make sense if Wizard had the same problem makes no sense. The game should obviously not be made to be impossible for anyone, and definitely not EVERYONE.

On May 22 2012 22:40 Spec wrote:

I think in a wild guess, Auction House will eventually break the game. There's going to have people who broke the game in like a month or so. The godly rare items they piled up will slowly become a waste of space and they'll just sell them for nothing. I feel like it's very dangerous to have a open market place like this when eventually it'll just be every player versus the environment? The 10 items only rule is probably the only thing slowing down us breaking the game... so if they balance this by making it so difficult he best gears can't survive, then there's really no point QQ

On May 22 2012 22:20 NightOfTheDead wrote:


Yea, but you just dont change your build on one trait some some elites might have. Also they jail you more often than you can use that skill ( unless some class has it without cooldown).

On May 22 2012 22:30 Tobberoth wrote:

And that is, IMO, where they failed. D3 feels like a coop game with singleplayer "tacced on". Why? Because rare mobs can have modifiers which hardcounters your class completely, so badly in fact that you either have to try to get around them, or restart and hope to not get a similar pack. Where as in a group of 4 people, you don't have that problem because everyone has skills which complement eachother and gives decent ability to beat any rare mob pack you'll come across.

The difficulty definitely seems tuned for coop.

On May 22 2012 22:56 Lokian wrote:
It's just a game guys, that's been recently released too. Blizzard isn't perfect, especially the first time around.

First, dodge and armor both have diminishing returns, and Barbarians have tons of armor boosts but they are overkill, and the skills offer no help with dodge.

On May 22 2012 23:13 VoirDire wrote:

There are no diminishing returns on either dodge or armor.

On May 22 2012 23:20 aksfjh wrote:

Armor works on "time to live" scaling. It's essentially the easiest and best known form of diminishing returns.

On May 22 2012 23:22 Tobberoth wrote:

How is it dimnishing? If you have 70% damage reduction, you take 30% damage. If you have 70% dodge chance, you take 30% damage. The only difference is the burst.

On May 22 2012 23:08 Dfgj wrote:

Why should this be acceptable? They are selling the game as their job - since when is 'just a game' or 'recently released' an argument for sub-par work?

On May 22 2012 23:13 VoirDire wrote:

There are no diminishing returns on either dodge or armor.

On May 22 2012 23:33 Lokian wrote:


are you serious? Really? It's diablo man, be glad its out. Balance issues is expected when hundred of thousands of people are playing the game compared to the miniscule number of people they had in the beta. It's not like they can let everyone have the game for free and expect to make good money after release.

And I'd like to argue its not sub-par, its well made because it introduces a lot of new ideas that I personally think is reasonable. These changes you guys are talking about is not impossible to adress. There's plenty of abilities and affixes in d3 to work around. I'd take the current D3 than any MMO or consoles right now.

Farm some more guys, I'll be waiting to kill you and take your items in PVP.

On May 22 2012 23:32 aksfjh wrote:

Each point of armor will make you take X more hits at Y raw damage. It takes the same amount of armor to get from 0 to 50% as 50% to 75%.

I don't know about the dodge diminishing returns, but I bet Blizzard would implement it (if not already) if people got too close to 100%. And again, if a monster hits for 170k against 50k health and 70% reduction, that's still a 1 shot, even if 9/10 hits are dodged, and that's RIDICULOUS amount of gear.

On May 22 2012 23:42 TheYango wrote:
Additionally, there's also the fact that Armor is scaled to enemy level. Note how when you hover over your armor, it gives damage reduction vs. enemies of your level?

This starts to burn really hard through Inferno, because Inferno mobs are treated as being above level 60, meaning that the further you go, the worse your armor performs compared to the advertised % damage reduction. By contrast, Dodge doesn't suffer the same issue. Your dodge chance is always the advertised dodge chance, regardless of enemy level.

On May 22 2012 23:32 aksfjh wrote:

Each point of armor will make you take X more hits at Y raw damage. It takes the same amount of armor to get from 0 to 50% as 50% to 75%.

I don't know about the dodge diminishing returns, but I bet Blizzard would implement it (if not already) if people got too close to 100%. And again, if a monster hits for 170k against 50k health and 70% reduction, that's still a 1 shot, even if 9/10 hits are dodged, and that's RIDICULOUS amount of gear.

On May 22 2012 23:44 Crushgroove wrote:
Lots of balance whining here can be attributed to Blizzard's inability to create anything that is intellectually challenging.

This is the same thing that began happening in wow after the game was sort of figured out 5 or 6 years ago.

NEW BOSS/ELITE IS HARD BECAUSE [numbers] is a bad way to go, because there is a really really small sweet spot where its challenging. Its either next to impossible and un-fun because you just insta-die, or its really really really easy because you got more gear. I'd rather see things that make decision making really important and complicated than things that are either too hard or too easy based off of auction house usage. =/

seems a silly way to go.

On May 22 2012 23:53 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


the only way to fix this game is to redesign 80% of the game... basically a completely new game... the stat system is broken the linear increase in stat is the only factor distinguishing u from someone else (boring and its the lazy way to balance), the skill system is broken (they promised billions of builds... there are basically only a few viable ones with just primary and secondary attacks and everthing else in defensive cooldowns, the items are broken (anything better than legendaries and all are dull and not unique in any way only depends on higher dps or higher vita or prefered stat.

On May 22 2012 23:55 turdburgler wrote:


it always takes the same amount of armor to reduce the damage you take by the same %age. thats not a diminishing return.
going from 0->50% is the same as going from 98%->99% in terms of the amount of extra hits you need to survive, armor does not having a diminishing return, it just looks like it does if you dont think about it. this has been gone over 100 times




i made a post to the exact same effect almost 2 years ago at the launch of cata with the new 'hard' heroics. i pointed out that numbers =/= difficulty and gear scaling would ruin the game again. and i was proved right even though all the idiots who played wow couldnt see it coming.

more abilties you need to avoid, less time to react (although still possible) all make a game harder, hits for 90% of your health just makes the game stupid but people seem to think 'thats how diablo is', but i dont agree. i think d2 was like that because back in 2000s it was ok for games to be kinda bad because the industry was smaller, less well informed designers and harder to make an ai/ui that was usable.

nowadays you expect so much more and it feels like blizz took many bad parts of d2 and imported them into d3 purely so people felt like its a 'proper' sequel rather than fixing the stupid/boring parts of the game.

gear scaling affecting the game and farming gear can be fine, but that doesnt mean you have to have stupid stuff that kills you over and over, bosses that dont feel like bosses, loot sources that make no sense, a terrible story, terrible writing etc. and yet people get shouted down for pointing out these things because aparently if you love something you cant be critical.

same with Sc2 why did they have to regress and not progress on things that were well done in the prequels? all blizzard games have be going backwards and their bnet and chatting interface is like way worse than 10 years ago...

On May 23 2012 00:22 Darkcaster wrote:


Ok can you please tell me how Sc2 has "regressed"? The battlenet interface for it is much better than sc1 and the gameplay is much more balanced than in BW where they didny correct any balancing issues.

For diablo 3 i feel that blizzard should have put some more tactics into bosses. Also some of the ablities become useless later on so i think they should have scaled them appropriately.

On May 23 2012 00:19 Muggs wrote:
I think in the long run that itemization is going to have to get completely overhauled. The fact that blues can be this much better than legendary weapons is just ridiculous (1k dps blue 1-hander vs. 740 dps Azurewrath).

On May 23 2012 00:22 Darkcaster wrote:


Ok can you please tell me how Sc2 has "regressed"? The battlenet interface for it is much better than sc1 and the gameplay is much more balanced than in BW where they didny correct any balancing issues.

For diablo 3 i feel that blizzard should have put some more tactics into bosses. Also some of the ablities become useless later on so i think they should have scaled them appropriately.

On May 22 2012 20:59 musai wrote:
Inferno is complete shit, melee is useless after act 2, they're pretty bad in act 2 already. The mobs hit so hard that even white mobs in act 4 will 1 shot a geared tank. All melee is good for is buffing / ressing. I'm kind of sad they fixed the chest farming in act 2 so quickly, would have been nice to get some easy gear before progressing into inferno.

Only Wizards abusing the 35% bug or DH spamming smoke screen can do anything in the later acts, wonder why those haven't been fixed yet but the monk raid bubble was fixed.

It's nice they tried to make inferno difficult, but having mobs that simply 1 shot you with regular melee isn't the way to go.

On May 23 2012 00:42 vanTuni wrote:
wow. so much whine.

1) farm more gear. Yes, doing butcher runs over and over again sucks, but farm-runs are not a "stupid part" of the game they ARE the game!

2) Everybody whined when they first entered hell. Some went back and farmed, other went to the AH. Now inferno (espcially post Act1) is a massively bigger jump in difficulty, so the need to farm is massively bigger. The gear is out there. Farm it, or farm money. With 50 million gold, you could equip any char from the AH to be able to beat the game. So here we go again: Farming IS Diablo. Its not Skyrim or Mass Effect.

3) I agree, that the Wizard needs a fix. Its the only class excluded from the FARM MOAR gdamnit rule.

On May 22 2012 23:44 Crushgroove wrote:
Lots of balance whining here can be attributed to Blizzard's inability to create anything that is intellectually challenging.

This is the same thing that began happening in wow after the game was sort of figured out 5 or 6 years ago.

NEW BOSS/ELITE IS HARD BECAUSE [numbers] is a bad way to go, because there is a really really small sweet spot where its challenging. Its either next to impossible and un-fun because you just insta-die, or its really really really easy because you got more gear. I'd rather see things that make decision making really important and complicated than things that are either too hard or too easy based off of auction house usage. =/

seems a silly way to go.

On May 23 2012 00:42 vanTuni wrote:
wow. so much whine.

1) farm more gear. Yes, doing butcher runs over and over again sucks, but farm-runs are not a "stupid part" of the game they ARE the game!

2) Everybody whined when they first entered hell. Some went back and farmed, other went to the AH. Now inferno (espcially post Act1) is a massively bigger jump in difficulty, so the need to farm is massively bigger. The gear is out there. Farm it, or farm money. With 50 million gold, you could equip any char from the AH to be able to beat the game. So here we go again: Farming IS Diablo. Its not Skyrim or Mass Effect.

3) I agree, that the Wizard needs a fix. Its the only class excluded from the FARM MOAR gdamnit rule.

On May 23 2012 00:45 Tobberoth wrote:

1) Sure, if it helps. According to most people, it seems it doesn't though, even barbarians with really good gear seems to have huge problems.

On May 23 2012 00:54 vanTuni wrote:
Ok, exclude the Dh broken build as well. I am a DH, but play groups only and dont use that crap. Since it wont help my group if I am invisible for 20 secs.

to the above point: Blizzard can be as genius as they want... they wont beat 10mio+ people with the internet to share tactics. numbers are their only option.

On May 23 2012 01:03 vanTuni wrote:


well... i dont think there is anybody with "really good gear" out there yet. if soeone has 1-2 good items, great, he was luckier than others. but i sincerely believe there are people out there who have top-rolled items in every slot. If there are, and they cant beat the game. Thats when we really can start talking about balance. Everything else.. meh

On May 23 2012 01:09 vanTuni wrote:
wow dude. you really are just bitter aren't you? never mind then. enjoy your day.

On May 23 2012 01:04 [Crimson]Bason wrote:

doesnt take a genius to figure out blue item>legendaries is a problem they must have encountered in their testing...
and doesnt require a genius to use the skills THEY created and played with for years... such as the energy armor wizard or the smokescreen dh which gives them 30+ secs of invulnerability and then rince and repeat...

they are def not geniuses with the boring and lame linear stat system they created along with the item system with such dull and limited affix pool

On May 23 2012 01:21 Rayeth wrote:


The blue item > ledendary problem is the same as what happened in WoW every time they released an expansion. You have to make the old best items bad somehow and force people to need new "best" items. Each Act in Inferno was explained as being a step up in gear levels, so the best stuff from Act 1 would in fact be worse than low level stuff from Act 2 if they did the item budgets right.

I'm not saying its a great system, but its the one that's in place so no reason to cry about it. Honestly, it sounds like the only solution some people will accept is to not even have blues/yellows/etc drop until hell and above.

On May 22 2012 04:29 NotSorry wrote:
As a DH I can't take even a single hit, I have to kill everything from either a full screen or during my ss + prep spam

On May 23 2012 02:04 HolydaKing wrote:

That or it didn't work like it should have.

On May 23 2012 02:12 LaNague wrote:
well, maybe next time blizzard wont be so arrogant and makes a real beta test.

On May 23 2012 00:31 pure_protoss wrote:


There was open chat room without any maximum numbers of players in bnet 1.0...You could name your game and put a password on it...you could kick someone from a game more easily...And that is compared to sc1...but wc3 was also on bnet 1.0...

Therefore, there should be a automated tourney system, more statistics (your winning% depending on your races and against who your best etc)...you shouldnt need sc2 gears for that...

In-game streaming should be there already too...
Watching replays with friends should be possible etc..

On May 23 2012 02:32 KillerSOS wrote:
Wait so Barb actually works now?

On May 23 2012 01:17 HolydaKing wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5270829377?page=1

is this true story? or just a bad troll?

edit: ah nvm just the 30% dmg reduce from monk and barb are working properly now.

On May 22 2012 23:37 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
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what are u talking about... all stats have diminishing return except for Vitality. u have 200 armor it does 30% reduction but when u have 7000 armor only reduce by 70% ... diminishing return makes sense but each stat is not balanced... int gives all resistance physical and magical.. armor does dmg reduction which is all dmg? not too sure about that... but why did they have to make this so complicated and it doesnt seem to work... armor reduce all dmg is not intuitive... int reducing physical dmg isnt intuitive either... D2 had a much simpler and beter system where armor reduce the chance of them to hit you...and resistances reduced all magical dmg... in D3 without attack rating all mobs will hit you 100% of time except when u dodge it... but classes such as barb, wizard, witch dont have much dodge therefore they get hit 80-100% of the time in all difficulties... so u can stack those armor/dmg reduction all you with the diminishing returns (70% is about close to max) you will die when an inferno mobs hits you for 100K with 70% reduced they will hit you for 30K dmg 80-100% of the time ... therefore u will die. Dodge is way better because u can dodge not only physical dmg but spells as well and it mitigates 100% of the dmg

On May 23 2012 01:06 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


people already beat the game what are u talking about... there is no incentive of farming the better items because.. they are not really any better... ie i have a +100 vita armor ... so i want to farm more (hours/days) to get a +102 vita armor... not interesting or rewarding... in D2 farm and got a high rune... i can now make a rune word that will have unique stats and skills that were not available before.... thats interesting and drive the will to farm

On May 23 2012 05:27 andrewlt wrote:



I quit D2 around 2002. Nobody got any of the good rune words yet. The drop rates were so small that everybody who got one cheated to get it. For people who are not bots, there is no reason to farm at all.

D2 was even easier than D3. You did not need any of the top items at all. Feedback based on nostalgia is not constructive at all.

On May 23 2012 01:56 archon256 wrote:
I believe they've already fixed both the immortal Wizard and infinite spirit Monk (exaggerating somewhat, of course) builds sneakily in the last patch. At least that's what I've read in some bnet forum threads. Can someone confirm?

I'll check Monk myself later today.

On May 23 2012 03:47 LoLAdriankat wrote:
So is it possible to play Monk in Inferno without relying on the Holy Trinity of Defense now?

On May 23 2012 05:30 Dfgj wrote:

There are a lot of people who played D2 up to this year. They can also give feedback.

Who's commenting from nostalgia here?

On May 23 2012 05:30 Dfgj wrote:

There are a lot of people who played D2 up to this year. They can also give feedback.

Who's commenting from nostalgia here?

On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.

On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.

On May 23 2012 05:48 Lagcraft wrote:
Lol. This is hilarious. You guys whine about how d3 isn't going to be hard enough pre-release, and then turn around and say it's too difficult. The game has been out a week. No one has gotten anything that is of godly level stats. Chill out and grind some more. Inferno isn't for casuals.

On May 23 2012 05:58 Medrea wrote:
I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.

What gear am I supposed to possess?

On May 23 2012 05:58 Medrea wrote:
I guess godly is a little much but 1k DPS one hander, gnarly shield, 500 res all (including physical) and like 50k life and still get destroyed in Act 2.

What gear am I supposed to possess?

On May 23 2012 06:05 andrewlt wrote:


Well, people did ask for a challenge. They did the same mistake in Diablo 2 by only opening Act 1 normal for beta testing. They had the opposite problem then with the game being too easy instead of being too difficult.

As an aside, I'm only up to nightmare but I noticed that there are certain affixes that seem to be mutually exclusive, even for rares. I've yet to see a rare with more than one different +elemental damage, for instance. Opening this up should make the game easier. That and adding a few more defensive affixes on items.

On May 23 2012 06:36 Medrea wrote:


Frozen Molten Desecrate ArcaneOrb is something I have seen.

On May 23 2012 05:52 Order wrote:



Nobody said the game is too difficult. The problem is that it's more difficult for some classes than the others which is a balancing issue.

On May 23 2012 05:55 Heh_ wrote:

If you looked around the various threads, you'll notice that's its the same few 2-3 people who are whining about everything, blaming everything and the kitchen sink. If they hate D3 so much, I wonder why they're still bothering to play the game and visit D3-related threads.

On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them.

without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape.

there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something

On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:


I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks.

On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc...

On May 23 2012 06:50 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


haha I guess you havent been to other sites and blizzard forums... its basically full of threads about the flaws of D3 and many of them are very constructive with many of issues that were brought up here also. If you are blinded by your fanboyism i guess you can be happy with anything blizzard sput out... latest two game from blizzard were horrible Sc2 and D3... how many patches and fix sc2 got since release ... cant even count why? because blizzard did not do a good job especially on things that are crucial such as single player, offline, the bnet interface... WTF was blizzard thinking with the D3 interface LOL I tought the SC2 was bad... D3's is 10 times worse. the Auction house is a horrible idea because of massive influx of cheap items that gives u no incentive to farm and grind for them.

without changes and BIG changes D3 will be deserted in a few months.. if they dont chance much its already failing after 1 week of play because its so boring with that linear stat increase... the difference between characters are the stats ... you have a 100 vita boot... I have a 105 vita boot therefore Im stronger than you. LOL. 100s of Viable build... yeah right... lol they promised you will die and that the game will be hard... yeah it can be hard when the monsters 1-2 shot u and you cant do much about it... thats not the "hard" we want... there are so many ways to make a game hard... what they did was the wrong way.. dying to things when they freeze u, immobilize you, teleport ontop of you and insta killing you.. those never should be in the game because as a player you cant do anything about it no skill or escape.

there are no mob in D2 that can really 1-2 shot you before u can escape of use your skills to avoid etc... why do you force field was such a hot topic and believed by many to be still too powerful because it limits you as a player to do anything... many skills in D3 limits the player to avoid/escape attacks in D2 diablo had the same bone wall trap but those were destructable instead of the invulnerable ones in D3... thats the difference in the dev team and their thought process... the D3 dev team have no clue about anything...nothing seemed to be tested... no blizzard tester beat the game on inferno... that already tells u something

On May 23 2012 07:17 Lagcraft wrote:



Lol. Undead Soul killers? Any kind of lightning enchanted mob? Venom lord mobs? Trash mobs? Glooms? Urders? Tainted?

Try again with a legitimate argument sometime. I'm not even gonna waste my time fleshing out the rest of the garbage in your post.

On May 23 2012 07:23 KillerSOS wrote:


Dude... grammar is your friend. I honestly tried 3 times to read this =/

Also, you're just plain wrong about some of your assumptions from D2

On May 23 2012 07:08 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


I cant believe you people that dont seem to take constructive criticism... there are many post that are well written and bring up many of the issues im bringing up... why cant we post what we feel is good constructive criticism... its not like im saying D3 is too hard and QQ about it... im pointing out why D3 is flawed/boring after 10 years development.

On May 23 2012 07:32 worldsnap wrote:


We don't have any problem with pointing out the flaws of D3. You write like a child with no concept of how to construct a sentence, and so no one will read anything you write no matter how angry you are at blizzard.

On May 23 2012 07:47 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


Are you saying people without an education or who cant write dont have a voice? or the opportunity to express what they believe is right or wrong... wow... you have to judge the content of the information and not on how it is written and discuss the point that have been brought up... stop your elitist attitudes

On May 23 2012 07:57 antelope591 wrote:
I'm meele so its pretty self explanatory.....getting 1 shot by normal mobs with 50k hp in the later acts. Fun times.....I'm just kicking myself for being fucking stupid and rolling meele instead of wizard like I was originally gonna do -_-

On May 23 2012 08:04 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
and blizzard with their sneaky patch and no patch notes... just wow... nothing no details or anything... you are supposed to release the patch notes with the patch or even before the patch to let the players know... what has blizzard fallen to... imagine a secret sc2 patch that everyone is blind to... how would that effect the pro scene...

On May 23 2012 07:06 worldsnap wrote:


I think you will find that these sort of ranting posts with terrible grammar, even worse spelling, and no punctuation, are appreciated much more on the battle net forums, which you should probably continue posting in (and stop posting here). Thanks.

On May 23 2012 08:16 Catch]22 wrote:
Reading Crimsons stuff gives me a headache.

Anyway, Im lvling up a HC barbarian, are you all saying its a futile endeavor? Right now it feels alot more fun than Wizard (which is helluva fun!)

On May 23 2012 06:50 SKC wrote:


D2 was also imbalanced then. I don't want every class to be a hammerdin, but I also don't mind that hammerdins exist. I also don't think it was such a issue that only Sorcs had teleport. Specially with the way immunities worked in D2, it was very easy for some classes to have a much harder time than others soloing Hell. I don't think imbalances are such an issue, as long as every class is playable, and they do seem playable so far.

On May 23 2012 08:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


Games versus AI shouldn't have patch notes. Half the fun is figuring out what has changed and how to deal with it.

On May 23 2012 09:58 KalWarkov wrote:
DH > Wizard >> Monk > WD >> Barb in inferno.

especially without great gear

On May 23 2012 09:58 nonsequitur wrote:
There certain elites in Inferno that are just flatout unbeatable and should be removed or retuned. Elites that come with suffixes like "Desecrator, Vortex, Frozen, Fast". It doesn't matter how good your gear is. Once you get caught in a vortex/frozen/descrate combo you are dead. Having unkillable mobs in the game does not make it more difficult or fun. It makes it annoying and frustrating.

On May 23 2012 10:08 ffreakk wrote:Granted i'm not yet at act 2, but are you certain your gear are good enough for your level? It is stated before that player are expected to farm for gears should they feel overwhelmed by the content. I can't be sure, but there's a chance you are undergeared. As most people at the end of Inferno should be, game has just been out a week, absolute top gears might not even have dropped yet.

On May 23 2012 10:07 Assault_1 wrote:

I hope that's true, the poll on page 5 says people think wizard is better but I'd much rather play demon hunter

On May 23 2012 09:58 nonsequitur wrote:
There certain elites in Inferno that are just flatout unbeatable and should be removed or retuned. Elites that come with suffixes like "Desecrator, Vortex, Frozen, Fast". It doesn't matter how good your gear is. Once you get caught in a vortex/frozen/descrate combo you are dead. Having unkillable mobs in the game does not make it more difficult or fun. It makes it annoying and frustrating.

On May 23 2012 10:12 nonsequitur wrote:


I'm in act 2 of inferno. Using the "crit/regen" wizard build. Once I'm caught in frozen+desecrate I'm dead in less than a second. Which means the damage was nearly 25k/sec. And with vortex, frozen and fast as their suffixes, it's not like you can kite or get out of desecrate.

On May 23 2012 10:28 vanTuni wrote:
Wow. I've been on these forums a long time. And I never wondered if there is a function to hide all posts from individual users until I met [Crimson]Bason. Is there?

On May 23 2012 10:57 HaRuHi wrote:
Sorc is SOOOO much fun to play atm!
Solo inferno with Illusionist on top of the 35% and ancient guardian, you even survive with 300+ latency xD. Yet you still have to watch out and don't get hit by to many mobs at the same time and avoid dots.

I don't think Sorc needs fixing, I think the other chars need to be brought to a level where they are just as much fun!

Overall the Class that I think needs fixing BADLY is the DH, but maybe that just aint my class. 75% of its skill feel useless, and going permascreen feels like playing an alpha build of dia3 in debug mode^^.

On May 23 2012 10:22 vanTuni wrote:
I'm not saying that this is a great to design the game. But really... people need to consider wtf they are talking about in all these replies. Blizz stated that every Act in Inferno would require a new tier of items. Just as hell required a higher tier than nightmare. So ..basically if you die instantly in act2 inferno with gear mostly from the end of hell, is like dying with gear from normal mode in hell. would people consider that weird? no.

On May 23 2012 11:20 nonsequitur wrote:


The problem is all the gear in the world will not enable you to kill these mobs.



Good luck surviving 3x desecrate that together ticks for 75k+/sec

On May 22 2012 23:44 Crushgroove wrote:
Lots of balance whining here can be attributed to Blizzard's inability to create anything that is intellectually challenging.

This is the same thing that began happening in wow after the game was sort of figured out 5 or 6 years ago.

NEW BOSS/ELITE IS HARD BECAUSE [numbers] is a bad way to go, because there is a really really small sweet spot where its challenging. Its either next to impossible and un-fun because you just insta-die, or its really really really easy because you got more gear. I'd rather see things that make decision making really important and complicated than things that are either too hard or too easy based off of auction house usage. =/

seems a silly way to go.

On May 23 2012 11:27 ulan-bat wrote:


Yeah, and even if the best gear possible made you survive, what about testing the player's skill rather than the size of his pockets?
Not saying any stuff should be enough, but a better balance of skill vs gear would be good.

On May 23 2012 11:43 TheRealDudeMan wrote:
I never thought I'd see so much complaining about the difficulty of a game that, prior to the release, everyone said wouldn't be too hard. This thread is great for lulz

Monk and barbarian take 30% less damage base, than demon hunter, witch doctor or wizard. The melee classes also have passives and abilities which provide significant defensive bonuses.

Because those fights are where you'll generally score the best loot, they are also intended to be some of the most challenging experiences in the game. [...] Sometimes they're brutal, but this is Diablo III on a difficulty titled 'Hell'. Sometimes brutal is okay.

On May 23 2012 07:24 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


you are the garbage LOL are you serious?? they dont 1 shot u the way the D3 inferno mobs do... even if its poison u have time to react because it takes u down to 1 hp ... unless u were naked... which you shouldnt be... I am talking about people who are fully geared from items that they cant even farm for... ie items from later acts of inferno they are wearing it and still getting 1 shot it...if you were careful or used ur skills right in D2 you are not going to die...

On May 23 2012 12:17 Lagcraft wrote:




Lolol. Dude, I played d2 lod for over 6 years. I know how to get fully geared. Unless you were an uberdin of some sort, you would get one-hit.

On May 23 2012 11:48 NotSorry wrote:

Go check again, there were maybe 3 of us saying the game would be easy and getting raged at by dozens of fanbois going on about how hard the game will be, and at least 2 of those 3 beat inferno in 4-5days and are saying the game is too easy. I even flat out predicted inferno cleared in 4 days max while people were saying weeks to months.

On May 23 2012 11:20 nonsequitur wrote:


The problem is all the gear in the world will not enable you to kill these mobs.



Good luck surviving 3x desecrate that together ticks for 75k+/sec

On May 23 2012 12:43 hoby2000 wrote:


No, the problem is that people haven't had enough time to find the gear that's needed.


This thread is so fucking pointless. Balance discussion about a game that's not even competitive.... what? really? Guys, Super Mario Bros. is imbalanced because you have limited continues. Unless of course you spend a lot of time playing it, in which case the game becomes balanced again because you understand the flaws in your play.


Crimson Bison, you've honestly done nothing for this thread but troll and de-rail it into a shit fest. I'm glad you got warned because I've read your posts, and you're just as bad as the people you're criticizing. I'm not going ot say that Diablo 3 is the best game every because A) That would be stupid to say, and B) It's an opinon. If someone said wiping their ass was the best feeling ever, you would probably disagree and come up with reasons why it's not... but that wouldn't mean anything because it will always be the best thing to them.

Also, I'm going to use the argument that the game has been out for A FUCKING WEEK. Do you realize that people didn't even come up with even an 8th of the shit that is known in Diablo 2 until YEARS AFTER? Just like Broodwar; Just like Street Fighter IV (or SFxT); Just like Smash Bros. Brawl or Melee; Just like every other fucking game out there, it takes time to figure shit out. So before you go around saying that stats are fucked up, or that there only a certain amount of viable builds, you need to realize that it's STILL going to take even the best players a lot of fucking time to understand how to perfect the game and play style.

Every game takes time to figure out - Things are no different than when the Atari was around, or the Super Nes, or the Dreamcast or Xbox. Just because there are millions of nerds out there, doesn't mean that they all have the collective knowledge of everyone.

As a side note: I do like Diablo 3, but i'm not explaining this all to you just because I like the game - I'm explaining it because I'm so fucking sick and tired of reading the same fucking argument when a new game comes out - "OMG THIS IS IMBA" "THIS GAME SUCKS BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS ARE FUCKED" "BLIZZARD/VALVE/BETHESDA/HAL/CAPCOM ARE LOSING THEIR TOUCH." All of these things might be true, but we're going to have to wait till a lot of time has passed, and people have time to actually sit down and look at the game for what it is - That includes the haters.

On May 23 2012 12:43 hoby2000 wrote:


No, the problem is that people haven't had enough time to find the gear that's needed.


This thread is so fucking pointless. Balance discussion about a game that's not even competitive.... what? really? Guys, Super Mario Bros. is imbalanced because you have limited continues. Unless of course you spend a lot of time playing it, in which case the game becomes balanced again because you understand the flaws in your play.


Crimson Bison, you've honestly done nothing for this thread but troll and de-rail it into a shit fest. I'm glad you got warned because I've read your posts, and you're just as bad as the people you're criticizing. I'm not going ot say that Diablo 3 is the best game every because A) That would be stupid to say, and B) It's an opinon. If someone said wiping their ass was the best feeling ever, you would probably disagree and come up with reasons why it's not... but that wouldn't mean anything because it will always be the best thing to them.

Also, I'm going to use the argument that the game has been out for A FUCKING WEEK. Do you realize that people didn't even come up with even an 8th of the shit that is known in Diablo 2 until YEARS AFTER? Just like Broodwar; Just like Street Fighter IV (or SFxT); Just like Smash Bros. Brawl or Melee; Just like every other fucking game out there, it takes time to figure shit out. So before you go around saying that stats are fucked up, or that there only a certain amount of viable builds, you need to realize that it's STILL going to take even the best players a lot of fucking time to understand how to perfect the game and play style.

Every game takes time to figure out - Things are no different than when the Atari was around, or the Super Nes, or the Dreamcast or Xbox. Just because there are millions of nerds out there, doesn't mean that they all have the collective knowledge of everyone.

As a side note: I do like Diablo 3, but i'm not explaining this all to you just because I like the game - I'm explaining it because I'm so fucking sick and tired of reading the same fucking argument when a new game comes out - "OMG THIS IS IMBA" "THIS GAME SUCKS BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS ARE FUCKED" "BLIZZARD/VALVE/BETHESDA/HAL/CAPCOM ARE LOSING THEIR TOUCH." All of these things might be true, but we're going to have to wait till a lot of time has passed, and people have time to actually sit down and look at the game for what it is - That includes the haters.

On May 23 2012 10:22 vanTuni wrote:


I'm not saying that this is a great to design the game. But really... people need to consider wtf they are talking about in all these replies. Blizz stated that every Act in Inferno would require a new tier of items. Just as hell required a higher tier than nightmare. So ..basically if you die instantly in act2 inferno with gear mostly from the end of hell, is like dying with gear from normal mode in hell. would people consider that weird? no.

On May 23 2012 13:03 Dfgj wrote:

People are dying in A2 inferno with items from A3/4 inferno.

No amount of gear will allow you to survive some enemies.

On May 23 2012 13:22 NotSorry wrote:
You realize legendaries are total trash compared to blue/rares right hkf? No the game is far to limited in terms of mods to even take a week before discussing it.


Balance discussion from people who haven't even beaten inferno seems to run rampant...

No they aren't handed to you, best in slots are bought on the AH after an hour or two of farming gold.

On May 22 2012 21:59 nomsayin wrote:
Once I got to late nightmare and hell my Barbarian became worthless. I wouldn't say being undergeared is the problem. I have level 50+ gear twice as good as anything in the auction house because there aren't enough people that high up (I'm playing harcore). The thing about Barbs is that they are melee but can't tank at later difficulties. However, this is not a Melee issue. I would argue that Monk is the best class in the game, but is absolutely superior to the Barbarian.. If you're interested, please read on for a quick explanation of why this is the case.

First, dodge and armor both have diminishing returns, and Barbarians have tons of armor boosts but they are overkill, and the skills offer no help with dodge. Second, there's also no skills to help get high resistances, which are essential for fighting off elemental damage in hell.

On the other hand, Monks get dodge from their primary attribute, dexterity, and a good armor rating that naturally comes with high level gear. They have passive which matches their resistances to all types of damage (including physical) to their single highest resistance. To top it off, they have multiple active healing and passive healing skills, a resistance boosting passive, and even a god mode skill, which makes you temporarily invincible and escapes from all stuns. It's simply very difficult to die as a monk, and if you do he might still live to fight another day (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/passive/near-death-experience).

You can see how this makes the Monk much stronger than the Barbarian later in the game. Especially considering that I play hard core, there is no reason for me to play a squishy Barbarian who can't solo trashmobs in hell when I can lead a group or solo with a Monk. For these reasons, I've given up on my barb until other players make it through hell and start selling gear in the AH. I started a Monk and I'll continue playing that.

TLDR: Monks are very strong in late difficulties, while Barbarians can't even tank trashmobs.

On May 23 2012 13:22 NotSorry wrote:
You realize legendaries are total trash compared to blue/rares right hkf? No the game is far to limited in terms of mods to even take a week before discussing it.


Balance discussion from people who haven't even beaten inferno seems to run rampant...

No they aren't handed to you, best in slots are bought on the AH after an hour or two of farming gold.

On May 23 2012 13:40 hkf wrote:

total trash? when a blue can have X affixes and a legendary can have Y affixes with a bunch of bonus stats?

If you're talking about base stats..

On May 23 2012 13:43 TheYango wrote:

Have you seen Inferno rares/blues?

The bonuses on their random properties are way overtuned compared to the fixed bonus stats of Legendaries atm.

On May 23 2012 14:03 snowbird wrote:
I need to bookmark this thread so I can laugh about it in a few months

People are dying in A2 inferno with items from A3/4 inferno.

No amount of gear will allow you to survive some enemies.

On May 23 2012 13:03 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


I hate it when fanboys always use "give it more time" ... if its not there its not going to get any better... Why do all blizzard games go backward in time. what happend to all the experience they learned from previous games and build upon them? why is Bnet 2.0 for D3 and Sc2 a joke and we are in 2012. And why can we find so many flaws in D3 in less than a weeks time when the developers had 10 years time to review. Without criticism no improvement will come and blizzard will keep releasing trash games with trash interface like Bnet 2.0

On May 23 2012 14:08 NotSorry wrote:

You mean when blizzard finally realized how badly they fucked up and completely rehaul the game? Not sure I'll be laughing but I'll be happy.

On May 23 2012 14:23 hoby2000 wrote:



Wishful thinking. That is never going to happen.

On May 23 2012 07:17 Lagcraft wrote:



Lol. Undead Soul killers? Any kind of lightning enchanted mob? Venom lord mobs? Trash mobs? Glooms? Urders? Tainted?

Try again with a legitimate argument sometime. I'm not even gonna waste my time fleshing out the rest of the garbage in your post.

On May 23 2012 14:32 OlorinTheWise wrote:

Venom Lords, Gloams and Tainted can't come close to one-shotting you if you have decent resists, same with LEBs since they removed the MSLEB bug. Hell, if you've got 75% resistance or more and some decent magic reduction, they barely damage you at all. Likewise, the Bone Fetishes aren't really that much of a threat if you have 75% blocking and some damage resistance and reduction equipment. o_O

The only two monsters which are really dangerous are the Frenzytaurs and Greater Mummies, as both do pure magical damage which cannot be resisted. And, even then, unless you find an extra fast/extra strong/fanat enchanted mob of them, they can't kill you quickly enough that you can't react. Well, unless you hit a lag spike or you've got horrible reflexes. >.>

The Inferno mobs in Diablo 3, however, will still one-shot you even if you've got gigantic defense, resists and are stacking so much vitality that you can't even kill anything. That's not difficulty, or telling you to farm more gear, that's just straight up pathetic design. :/

On May 23 2012 14:40 m00nchile wrote:

And you know what gigantic defense and resists are after a week of playing? I played D2 for about a month before I could say I had a good character, and that was in an established economy. The gear people have now is nothing compared to what dedicated players will have a month or two down the road.

On May 23 2012 14:45 Salv wrote:


Two points to make in regards to your statement:

• Unlike D2, you can reach max level very quickly, so your potential to find the best drops are much higher, much quicker.
  
• All other classes are able to solo inferno, except the Barbarian. The best legendary items have been found and are purchasable on the auction house. There's so many people playing and selling amazing items on the auction house that people are able to gear up very quickly. The best legendary 1H has a max of ~700 DPS, and there's plenty of ~1050 dps 1H weapons on the AH you can buy. You can buy items 40% better than the rarest, perfect stat legendary items and it's still extremely difficult relative to other classes. People are in a position to judge.

On May 23 2012 14:52 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
Why are people posting about hell mode in an inferno discussion?

My monk can solo act 4 hell with 2 people afk without ever coming close to death. That same exact monk can't even start act 2 inferno because the bugs on the road to enter the desert 1 shot her immediately without a second thought.

The 2 levels aren't even comparable, it's like a masters level sc2 player giving advice to a progamer.

On May 23 2012 14:30 m00nchile wrote:

Yea, just like Diablo 2 kept the same skill and item mechanics all throughout it's lifetime. O wait...

On May 23 2012 14:53 Mithhaike wrote:
I've done a small comparison though. in D2 we can have like 10-20% life leech easily. In D3 only certain armor slots can have life leech, with a cap of 3% for each slot. It is hard to even reach 10% life leech. I wonder, if life leech is increased tremendously, would it make 2hander offensive style viable? 20% life leech of a 10k damage will be worth 2k hp. This should solve the problem of 2handers being non-viable(blizzard motto, make things viable).