Balance disussion (Inferno) - Page 2

On May 22 2012 22:03 aksfjh wrote:

It's more of the fact that making a game that is impossible for some is not so nice. It'd be fine if Wizards had to deal with the same level of frustration, but they don't. What's more, they do so through an ability that essentially got left out of the very, very standard survivability clause of "can only happen once every X seconds."

On May 22 2012 22:10 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Actually think the WD is balanced apart from the summons in Inferno. Changing builds all the time to suit the mobs im fighting, keeps the game fun! Summons really need a buff on inferno tho. Id say lower the enemy damage in inferno (also fixes barbproblem) but double the health or something like that.

On May 22 2012 21:23 King_ wrote:
Im not in Inferno yet, but playing barb i agree with all you guys said here! Melee are not viable to solo inferno atm. What blizz can do? I honestly dont know, but im pretty sure that they are thinking in a way to make the game fun for Melee characters in inferno.

Another thing that bother´s me is the fact that after AII in Hell, you MUST go tank on mobs and FULL dps on bosses. In my opinion, the game was designed in a way that you could have freedom to choose your build as you like, for any situation. The game is forcing you to go in a especific way. You cant got 2H barb in Hell and Inferno, you just cant, you must go 1H and Shield and in Bosses 2 1H, this make the game much more straitfoward! If its gona be this way, let us choose our stats again! After a month, if there will be no changes, all barbs will be exactly the same during mob fights and bosses fights!

At last, most classes have some kind of CC imunity, Monks and DHs can easily break a freezing, stun or slow movement, but Barbs must activate a 2min CD to free themselves. To a melee character this is unthinkable! When i see the ice spikes, i immediately start to kite the mobs, but then, im taking severe dmg from the elite ones and NOT doing ANY dps, if i get frozen, its GG for me, certain death! Ignore Pain should make barb imunity from these kind of CCs or at least make him break it, like wow trinket.

On May 22 2012 02:23 VoirDire wrote:
2. Melee characters doesn't seem as viable as ranged characters for several reasons:
a) Most elite mobs modifiers are designed to be difficult for melee characters. Molten/Arcane enchanted/Frozen/Fire chains/Plagued/Desecrator/Vampiric. The only real danger for ranged chars are vortex and mortar.
b) Ranged characters can kite and thereby focus on damage and kill much faster.

On May 22 2012 22:12 Az0r_au wrote:


Totally agree with barbs being very bellow average atm, but we do have one semi-reliable low CD immunity in charge. If you time it right you can immune the frost explosions.

On May 22 2012 22:13 NightOfTheDead wrote:


Your view seems a bit off. Try ranged char, i think your perspective will change. Jailor with any mortar/fast/plagued molten are much worse for ranged. Fast trait on already fast mobs, are nearly impossible without debatable mechanics/abuses. Fast+invulnerable minions is like a worst combination.

I agree, melee has less kiting tools to work with. But one shotted from fast trash mobs isnt fun at all. Melee classes have no problem with white trash, however, EVERY single trash mob matters to wiz/dh, cause they just die.

Im kinda not disagreeing completely, just saying that ranged doesnt have THAT much more luxury as you sound. They have it hard time alright.

On May 22 2012 22:18 Noocta wrote:


I think almost every class has a spell who break jailor.

On May 22 2012 21:59 nomsayin wrote:
Once I got to late nightmare and hell my Barbarian became worthless. I wouldn't say being undergeared is the problem. I have level 50+ gear twice as good as anything in the auction house because there aren't enough people that high up (I'm playing harcore). The thing about Barbs is that they are melee but can't tank at later difficulties. However, this is not a Melee issue. I would argue that Monk is the best class in the game, but is absolutely superior to the Barbarian.. If you're interested, please read on for a quick explanation of why this is the case.

First, dodge and armor both have diminishing returns, and Barbarians have tons of armor boosts but they are overkill, and the skills offer no help with dodge. Second, there's also no skills to help get high resistances, which are essential for fighting off elemental damage in hell.

On the other hand, Monks get dodge from their primary attribute, dexterity, and a good armor rating that naturally comes with high level gear. They have passive which matches their resistances to all types of damage (including physical) to their single highest resistance. To top it off, they have multiple active healing and passive healing skills, a resistance boosting passive, and even a god mode skill, which makes you temporarily invincible and escapes from all stuns. It's simply very difficult to die as a monk, and if you do he might still live to fight another day (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/passive/near-death-experience).

You can see how this makes the Monk much stronger than the Barbarian later in the game. Especially considering that I play hard core, there is no reason for me to play a squishy Barbarian who can't solo trashmobs in hell when I can lead a group or solo with a Monk. For these reasons, I've given up on my barb until other players make it through hell and start selling gear in the AH. I started a Monk and I'll continue playing that.

TLDR: Monks are very strong in late difficulties, while Barbarians can't even tank trashmobs.

On May 22 2012 22:26 ffreakk wrote:
In any case, why should we care too much about balance in a game that's predominantly meant for Single-Player? They did say that Coop is only a "on the side" thing, Single Player is the main focus.

On May 22 2012 22:18 Noocta wrote:


I think almost every class has a spell who break jailor.

On May 22 2012 22:33 CruelZeratul wrote:


Is there a way to break a jail as Wizard? I'd like to know.

On May 22 2012 22:11 Tobberoth wrote:

And how would that happen? Take away force armor and wizard becomes completely unplayable in inferno, even with perfect gear you would never stand a chance in act 4. And I would say it is the same frustration, or even worse. Barbarians can get down and work on their gear. As a wizard, you either give up, or start checking AH for gear which lets you use a boring cheesy build.

On May 22 2012 22:36 TheYango wrote:
Wizard actually has 2 abusable builds. There's Energy Armor+Force Armor, and there's also Magic Weapon+Venom/Shock Pulse+Living Lightning/Critical Mass which lets you have have infinitely spammable Frost Nova and Diamond Skin.

On May 22 2012 22:38 Tobberoth wrote:

And you can use both at once.