EPTIm running the ww+spring build, I have frenzy in there because it feels like I miss goblins a lot without it. Currently I can farm a3 fairly comfortably, but it feels like my dps could be a lot higher. What should I focus on now, and about how much (if any) defensive stats can I cut for dps to still be able to farm a3 comfortably? Any feedback would be great, thanks!
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LingsAreBunnies
United States103 Posts
Im running the ww+spring build, I have frenzy in there because it feels like I miss goblins a lot without it. Currently I can farm a3 fairly comfortably, but it feels like my dps could be a lot higher. What should I focus on now, and about how much (if any) defensive stats can I cut for dps to still be able to farm a3 comfortably? Any feedback would be great, thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 08 2012 10:08 iLLusive wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So hoping I can get some great input from skyR / Tranq and awesome folks here. So been putting in 90 hour work weeks plus school so not a TON has changed. Please give some feedback on good options to look for upgrades / and yes this is an alt so very new to me. I still have my list of previous detals I got from your post so do not think I ignored them at all. Just want to refresh my current build / gear with new Bnet tool character profile sheet, and see if that allows you to give me even more details. Also I have not really put gear on the helper because I have next to no idea what she needs to wear to help me, honestly. Bnet Profile Chest piece needs to be replaced badly. Since you're aimming for built-in magic find, you'd probably want to replace the pants and belt next to get more magic find. If not those than get a weapon with a socket and stats. For your enchantress, just put magic find gear + int gear on her. On August 08 2012 12:14 LingsAreBunnies wrote:+ Show Spoiler + http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163 Im running the ww+spring build, I have frenzy in there because it feels like I miss goblins a lot without it. Currently I can farm a3 fairly comfortably, but it feels like my dps could be a lot higher. What should I focus on now, and about how much (if any) defensive stats can I cut for dps to still be able to farm a3 comfortably? Any feedback would be great, thanks! Can't see detailed character stats )= You can lose a lot of vitality. You only need about 40k hp to comfortably farm act 3 as a WW barb. Some people even drop to 30k, I was at 35k hp at one point. So look into replacing both your rings, your helm, your amulet, and your offhand as well. | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On August 08 2012 10:08 iLLusive wrote: So hoping I can get some great input from skyR / Tranq and awesome folks here. So been putting in 90 hour work weeks plus school so not a TON has changed. Please give some feedback on good options to look for upgrades / and yes this is an alt so very new to me. I still have my list of previous detals I got from your post so do not think I ignored them at all. Just want to refresh my current build / gear with new Bnet tool character profile sheet, and see if that allows you to give me even more details. Also I have not really put gear on the helper because I have next to no idea what she needs to wear to help me, honestly. Bnet Profile You're making progress. At this point in the game, it's mostly about incremental increases. Searching all your slots on AH to see what small upgrades you can find at a good price. At the moment though, there are a few particular slots that jump out at me. First, your chest has no All RES, you're going to want 50+ on those. Also a higher item level armor will get you more base armor, (+Armor affix is even nicer). Don't be afraid to drop a little STR on your Chest, since your Chest is a strong defensive slot since it favours VIT (refer to this page here http://www.d3rmt.com/guides/diablo-3-item-stat-maximum-values/) Your bracers have nice STR and perfect Crit. However, they aren't really helping you tank. It's ok to drop 2% or so Crit Chance so that you can get some VIT or RES. You could even drop it all together to get both VIT/RES. It's your call, play around with the numbers in a DPS/EHP calculator. But remember that as Sword and Board barbs, none of our mechanics depend on Crit Chance. Sure, it gives us more DPS, but it holds no special value compared with STR, provided both give the same DPS increase. Another upgrade could be some extra %Life or VIT on your Shoulders, but I understand if you want to hold onto your MF and it's expensive to get an upgrade there. Shoulders are also a STR slot, so don't feel the need to sacrifice STR for VIT on shoulders. Some VIT on your Amulet might also help. 200 STR/200VIT with some extra stats don't cost too much. Sometimes you'll find one with extra %Life or RES for pretty cheap. I don't know how much it costs to keep MF on it though. Again, keep in mind I run without LoH, and prefer solid EHP increases over small amounts of LoH. 200 VIT is nothing to scoff at, but it's your call if you prefer the LoH. Other than that, it's all about gradual upgrades. Eg, extra VIT/%Life on you Belt, higher Armor on your Helm (or any slot you can find one actually), and better combined STR/VIT/RES on any slot you can afford. Hope this helps. Edit: forgot to look at your weapon. Yes I agree with SkyR, that you want a better weapon. More raw DPS, or socket, either is fine, it depends what you can get at a good price. However, at this stage I think you need to focus on making yourself a bit more tanky --- 27K dps is respectable --- then you can worry about upgrading your weapon later. | ||
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LingsAreBunnies
United States103 Posts
Can't see detailed character stats )= You can lose a lot of vitality. You only need about 40k hp to comfortably farm act 3 as a WW barb. Some people even drop to 30k, I was at 35k hp at one point. So look into replacing both your rings, your helm, your amulet, and your offhand as well. my bad, here it is <.< http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9774/97054457.png if I drop hp, would I have enough res/armor to still survive comfortably? Also, what kind of stats should I be looking for on my offhand? | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 08 2012 12:50 Trang wrote: Edit: forgot to look at your weapon. Yes I agree with SkyR, that you want a better weapon. More raw DPS, or socket, either is fine, it depends what you can get at a good price. However, at this stage I think you need to focus on making yourself a bit more tanky --- 27K dps is respectable --- then you can worry about upgrading your weapon later. Beware of the allure of crit damage. People overvalue it, especially on weapons; often sacrificing loads of DPS for crit damage and actually lose out overall. In most cases, raw DPS is king. Please do the maths! Right now he is at 27% crit with battleshout, with 164% increased crit damage. Crits increase his overall damage by 44.3%, ( 100% --> 144.3%) That means crits make up 30.7% of his total DPS ( 44.3 / 144.3 ). If he got a 70% crit gem in it, this increases his crit damage from 164% --> 234%. This means his crit portion of his damage will do 43% more damage than before ( 234 / 164 ) We know that crits are 30.7% of his total DPS, so the DPS increase given to him by a crit gem is 30.7% * 43% = 13.2% A crit gem gives him 13.2% additional DPS. He currently has a 935 DPS weapon. The same weapon, but with a 70% crit gem in it, would give him the exact same DPS as a weapon with 1058 DPS. Guess which is going to be cheaper on the AH?  | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Yes your armor and resist is fine. | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On August 08 2012 13:20 Hairy wrote: Beware of the allure of crit damage. People overvalue it, especially on weapons; often sacrificing loads of DPS for crit damage and actually lose out overall. In most cases, raw DPS is king. Please do the maths! Right now he is at 27% crit with battleshout, with 164% increased crit damage. Crits increase his overall damage by 44.3%, ( 100% --> 144.3%) That means crits make up 30.7% of his total DPS ( 44.3 / 144.3 ). If he got a 70% crit gem in it, this increases his crit damage from 164% --> 234%. This means his crit portion of his damage will do 43% more damage than before ( 234 / 164 ) We know that crits are 30.7% of his total DPS, so the DPS increase given to him by a crit gem is 30.7% * 43% = 13.2% A crit gem gives him 13.2% additional DPS. He currently has a 935 DPS weapon. The same weapon, but with a 70% crit gem in it, would give him the exact same DPS as a weapon with 1058 DPS. Guess which is going to be cheaper on the AH? Yep totally agree with you there about doing the maths. This is why I always reiterate the importance of understanding all the factors that affect EHP/DPS, and using EHP/DPS calculators to compare gear. At the end of the day, all that matters is the end result of how high you can get your key stats (EHP/DPS/%Block for 1H+Shield Barbs) for the best prices you can find at the time. It doesn't matter what stats you use to get there. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
I've been using one found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai4XixeUPTKLdFczZzZGLWFrZzVYb1ZnTm1CVjYzamc#gid=0 but I don't completely trust it; the DPS it's giving me isn't being calculated quite right (it doesn't seem to be taking dual wielding into account properly). | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
I've found the DPS isn't always 100% accurate on any calculator that I've used, but this one is always very close enough for me. Last post in the thread says he's fixed the inaccuracies, but I haven't tried it myself. | ||
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Turin
Germany72 Posts
Additionally what's the opinion about life on kill? It is really cheap to get ~2k life/kill on weapons, but once you reach a certain dps level it actually performs similar to life on hit. | ||
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Kerans
Italy58 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kerans-2706/hero/1803066 I went for some built-in mf quite some time ago, and I'm up to the point where I can farm act 2 without a care in the world, but act 3 is still rough. Res are 828 (cold) to 940 (phys and fire), armor is 8800 (with warcry and enchantress), dps is 36k with battle rage, crit% 32.50 and crit dmg 309% with battle rage. Thank you! | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:13 Trang wrote: I'm using this one: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4797101607 I've found the DPS isn't always 100% accurate on any calculator that I've used, but this one is always very close enough for me. Last post in the thread says he's fixed the inaccuracies, but I haven't tried it myself. Just want to note, for clarity, that the last post in the thread was written by some other guy, who made his own version of the document (so it's a different link), which can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj4vym4NBukidDg1VDdRTTRMemppOUZhbFZWTGlWaHc#gid=1 Am going to try this out, will let you guys know my findings | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 08 2012 18:07 Turin wrote: What's the general opinion on going for +25% movement speed instead of just +12? I use Wanderlust and Tyrael's Might on my WW Barb and it is hilarious. It feels like playing bugsbunny with the additional +20% from WotB and +40% from sprint. Sounds like mad fun. You don't need our permission! What's your opinion of it? You're the one that's got the 25% boost :D Additionally what's the opinion about life on kill? It is really cheap to get ~2k life/kill on weapons, but once you reach a certain dps level it actually performs similar to life on hit. I expect this will work fine for trash, but you still need a way to survive vs tough elites/bosses. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 08 2012 13:20 Hairy wrote: Beware of the allure of crit damage. People overvalue it, especially on weapons; often sacrificing loads of DPS for crit damage and actually lose out overall. In most cases, raw DPS is king. Please do the maths! Right now he is at 27% crit with battleshout, with 164% increased crit damage. Crits increase his overall damage by 44.3%, ( 100% --> 144.3%) That means crits make up 30.7% of his total DPS ( 44.3 / 144.3 ). If he got a 70% crit gem in it, this increases his crit damage from 164% --> 234%. This means his crit portion of his damage will do 43% more damage than before ( 234 / 164 ) We know that crits are 30.7% of his total DPS, so the DPS increase given to him by a crit gem is 30.7% * 43% = 13.2% A crit gem gives him 13.2% additional DPS. He currently has a 935 DPS weapon. The same weapon, but with a 70% crit gem in it, would give him the exact same DPS as a weapon with 1058 DPS. Guess which is going to be cheaper on the AH? i agree with you on doing the maths, but one should mention that the "strength" of crit dam increases with growing crit chance. for a char with 40-50% cc (ww barb), the math leads to completely different conclusions then for a char with 2x% cc. in general, however, it is better to get crit dam from the offhand and look for raw dps on the mh. | ||
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Burrfoot
United States1176 Posts
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Turin
Germany72 Posts
On August 08 2012 19:47 Hairy wrote: Sounds like mad fun. You don't need our permission! What's your opinion of it? You're the one that's got the 25% boost :D I expect this will work fine for trash, but you still need a way to survive vs tough elites/bosses. As I said, it's hilarious. I certainly won't go back even though Wanderlust and Tyrael's are pretty bad except for the movement speed. I only started yesterday with Inferno, so my gear is all over the place, but running act2 (assassin's vault route) is mad fun. I currently have 5k life on kill and 10k life from globes but no life on hit and no substantial life regen. So I'm running around like a madman, trigger elites, run away from them pooping 100k critical damage tornadoes until I find a life regen pit (aka a bunch of white monsters) to fight the elites in. Usually I run into another pack of elites along the way, so I have to maneuver into another direction until after some time everything explodes into a shower of yellows. Profile page is here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Turinturamba-2768/hero/9100098 | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
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Burrfoot
United States1176 Posts
What would be nice is if the ias on weapons affected each other. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 08 2012 19:42 Hairy wrote: Just want to note, for clarity, that the last post in the thread was written by some other guy, who made his own version of the document (so it's a different link), which can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj4vym4NBukidDg1VDdRTTRMemppOUZhbFZWTGlWaHc#gid=1 Am going to try this out, will let you guys know my findings So I put all my stats in.... all the totals look correct, but the DPS is still wrong  My character sheet shows 43k DPS with the buffs on. The spreadsheet indicates I should have 57k / 65k with buffs off / on respectively. The previous character sheet I was using thought I had 62k DPS. What's going on?!? /sigh EDIT: the EHP is different too. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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