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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 09 2012 00:15 Black Gun wrote: why dont you just compute it by hand? its totally simple... I know all these calculations are simple (I just demonstrated working out the benefit a crit gem would have provided, and comparing weapon DPS etc!), but it's tiring to have to do the calculations every time you want to touch something. Spreadsheets have benefits. I just want one that works :| EDIT: so I was being an idiot. The new spreadsheet actually works great, I just somehow made a mistake with the numbers (the former one I was using WAS wrong, however). | ||
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iLLusive
United States274 Posts
Chest piece needs to be replaced badly. Since you're aimming for built-in magic find, you'd probably want to replace the pants and belt next to get more magic find. If not those than get a weapon with a socket and stats. For your enchantress, just put magic find gear + int gear on her. Thanks for the feedback so question....it might be dumb so sorry in advance. But if I want to focus mostly on STR what do I gain from a weapon with a socket over an item same price with just more pure DPS? | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On August 09 2012 12:30 iLLusive wrote: Thanks for the feedback so question....it might be dumb so sorry in advance. But if I want to focus mostly on STR what do I gain from a weapon with a socket over an item same price with just more pure DPS? A socket let's you put in a Crit Damage gem, that's 70% Crit Damage for about 600K. As for whether it's better to spend the same amount of gold on a socket or extra flat DPS depends on your current gear and Crit Chance. I'll reiterate the necessity of comparing items with DPS calculators. Nobody's situation is exactly the same, there is no general rule that applies for every case at every stage of gear progress, and you can only know what is better by looking up the numbers for your own character. When reading advice about weapons, keep in mind that there are two primary reasons why people often talk about sockets as being the be all and end all. First, dual wielders prioritise sockets for the huge + Crit Damage. This is true for WW/Sprint barbs especially, where the off-hand damage is not very important, so they value stats over DPS. Secondly, once you are at end game with a 1100+ DPS weapon and decent Crit, for your next upgrade it becomes harder to get a higher raw DPS weapon that will give the same increase as a weapon with the same DPS and a socket (over 1200 DPS on a 1H isn't so common compared with 1100 DPS with a socket). For people who are in either of these situations, the considerations affecting what makes a good weapon upgrade are unlikely to be the same as for you. So be wary, not all advice about weapons necessarily applies to your situation. Again, use a DPS calculator to compare similarly priced weapons with different stats, and you will see for yourself what is best for you right now. In my experience, when I was at a similar stage of gearing, I found it cheaper to get decent DPS + STR on a weapon than to go looking for a socket. Something like ~1000 DPS with ~100 STR, depending on what you can afford. But you can confirm that for yourself  Anyway, as stated in a previous post, I still think you need to upgrade some of your armor slots first.Hope this helps. | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On August 08 2012 18:09 Kerans wrote: Since we're back to the subject of sword&board barbs, anyone care to suggest what to do from here? http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kerans-2706/hero/1803066 I went for some built-in mf quite some time ago, and I'm up to the point where I can farm act 2 without a care in the world, but act 3 is still rough. Res are 828 (cold) to 940 (phys and fire), armor is 8800 (with warcry and enchantress), dps is 36k with battle rage, crit% 32.50 and crit dmg 309% with battle rage. Thank you! 1. I prefer Tough as Nails over Superstition, since most unavoidable damage is physical, and many elite effects can be minimised through proper positioning. 2. I like that you have boosted your Physical and Fire RES higher, it's something I recommend as being a more affordable way of boosting your EHP against the majority of incoming damage. In general, your RES is good, and you don't need to look for more right now. 3. Your Crit stats are good enough, so you don't need to look at upgrading that right now. 4. Consider using an Amethyst in your Helm of Command. If it makes you able to farm Act 3 when you otherwise cannot, it's worth dropping 27% MF for it. 5. What you're looking for are incremental increases to STR/VIT. Any extra Armor is icing on the cake, but not something you should actively search for. At this stage you are thinking of each slot as a combined STR+VIT, and you can convert %Life to its equivalent amount of VIT for the purposes of this tally (in my case its between 12-13 VIT). So aim to increase the combined STR+VIT as much as possible on each slot, without dropping too much RES --- dropping a bit here and there is OK, but you're trying to make progress here, not break even. Eg see if you can get +100 on pants, +50 on gloves, +50 on bracers and so on. Eventually, these increases all add up, and you would have the same Crit/Res, but a large amount more Life and Armor (from STR and Nerves of Steel), and maybe more DPS depending on if you are more STR or VIT heavy. Unfortunately, MF makes it a bit more costly to get these upgrades. You're either going to have to pay the big bucks, or be willing to drop some MF to be able to farm Act 3 for the better chance to get iLvl 63. 6. After you get yourself some more STR/VIT (something like a combined 3000+, give or take depending on +%Life), see if you can get higher raw damage on your weapon. Also don't limit yourself to a socket. A 1100 DPS weapon with STR, might turn out better for the same price --- check all your options on a DPS calculator. 7. Next try to get a Shield with 27% or more block chance, 60+ RES, and some Crit. It won't matter too much if you drop 2% Crit Chance or something, the extra % block chance is huge. I think I worked out for myself that each 1% gave my barb 75K more EHP against blockable attacks. This is the one reason why I have chosen to keep my Justice Lantern, but seems like I'm one of the last people around still running with one. Edit: 8. Try to get some RES on your Chest. Sure you will lose some STR in the process, but that means you can concentrate on making your Right Ring more focussed on VIT/STR/Crit instead of RES. Keep in mind, Chests can get max 80 RES, but rings only 70 RES. Chests also have access to less kinds of affixes than rings, and you can craft 6 affix Chests, making Chests with STR/VIT/RES way more common than STR/VIT/RES Rings. This means that it is easier to find upgrades on your primary stats while maintaining 60+ RES on your Chest than it is to do the same for a Ring. Therefore get RES on your Chest so your Rings can focus on core stats (STR/VIT/%Life) and damage affixes (IAS/CC/CD). Hope this helps | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
I guess since more players are Barbs in HC, more of them die with the good items? Here is my current HC barb: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/24476875 | ||
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Kerans
Italy58 Posts
On August 09 2012 15:59 Trang wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 18:09 Kerans wrote: Since we're back to the subject of sword&board barbs, anyone care to suggest what to do from here? http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kerans-2706/hero/1803066 I went for some built-in mf quite some time ago, and I'm up to the point where I can farm act 2 without a care in the world, but act 3 is still rough. Res are 828 (cold) to 940 (phys and fire), armor is 8800 (with warcry and enchantress), dps is 36k with battle rage, crit% 32.50 and crit dmg 309% with battle rage. Thank you! 1. I prefer Tough as Nails over Superstition, since most unavoidable damage is physical, and many elite effects can be minimised through proper positioning. 2. I like that you have boosted your Physical and Fire RES higher, it's something I recommend as being a more affordable way of boosting your EHP against the majority of incoming damage. In general, your RES is good, and you don't need to look for more right now. 3. Your Crit stats are good enough, so you don't need to look at upgrading that right now. 4. Consider using an Amethyst in your Helm of Command. If it makes you able to farm Act 3 when you otherwise cannot, it's worth dropping 27% MF for it. 5. What you're looking for are incremental increases to STR/VIT. Any extra Armor is icing on the cake, but not something you should actively search for. At this stage you are thinking of each slot as a combined STR+VIT, and you can convert %Life to its equivalent amount of VIT for the purposes of this tally (in my case its between 12-13 VIT). So aim to increase the combined STR+VIT as much as possible on each slot, without dropping too much RES --- dropping a bit here and there is OK, but you're trying to make progress here, not break even. Eg see if you can get +100 on pants, +50 on gloves, +50 on bracers and so on. Eventually, these increases all add up, and you would have the same Crit/Res, but a large amount more Life and Armor (from STR and Nerves of Steel), and maybe more DPS depending on if you are more STR or VIT heavy. Unfortunately, MF makes it a bit more costly to get these upgrades. You're either going to have to pay the big bucks, or be willing to drop some MF to be able to farm Act 3 for the better chance to get iLvl 63. 6. After you get yourself some more STR/VIT (something like a combined 3000+, give or take depending on +%Life), see if you can get higher raw damage on your weapon. Also don't limit yourself to a socket. A 1100 DPS weapon with STR, might turn out better for the same price --- check all your options on a DPS calculator. 7. Next try to get a Shield with 27% or more block chance, 60+ RES, and some Crit. It won't matter too much if you drop 2% Crit Chance or something, the extra % block chance is huge. I think I worked out for myself that each 1% gave my barb 75K more EHP against blockable attacks. This is the one reason why I have chosen to keep my Justice Lantern, but seems like I'm one of the last people around still running with one. Edit: 8. Try to get some RES on your Chest. Sure you will lose some STR in the process, but that means you can concentrate on making your Right Ring more focussed on VIT/STR/Crit instead of RES. Keep in mind, Chests can get max 80 RES, but rings only 70 RES. Chests also have access to less kinds of affixes than rings, and you can craft 6 affix Chests, making Chests with STR/VIT/RES way more common than STR/VIT/RES Rings. This means that it is easier to find upgrades on your primary stats while maintaining 60+ RES on your Chest than it is to do the same for a Ring. Therefore get RES on your Chest so your Rings can focus on core stats (STR/VIT/%Life) and damage affixes (IAS/CC/CD). Hope this helps This is just the kind of road map I was hoping for As a matter of fact I just tried going back to Act 3 today, after dropping and Amethyst in the HoC (which I do everytime I try Act 3), getting a sacred shield with 23% block chance and all res (and a little less crit% indeed) and switching Ruthless for Tough as Nails, and things went smooth indeed for pretty much everything which didn't have extra health, some mobs I was even able to almost burst down in a single WotB. Yeah, chest is indeed the next piece of the puzzle, I'll definitely work on that. Thanks again man! | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 09 2012 23:31 trinxified wrote: Any HC Barbs here? I just hit 60, and been trying to re-gear "cheaply", but decent pieces with STR/VIT/AR are non-existent. I guess since more players are Barbs in HC, more of them die with the good items? Here is my current HC barb: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/24476875 upgrade your shield to one with higher block amount. thats gonna be huge. then upgrade your rings - they are pieces of trash, even for an underfunded hc char.  a stronger weapon and/or some LoH would be nice aswell. in general though, barbs are the most common char on hc and the focus on defensive gear (AR and vit) is much stronger than on sc where the damage modifiers are - relatively speaking - more sought after. therefore, items with str + vit + ar are many times more expensive than on sc.  my own poor hc barb has the same problem.... | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On August 10 2012 00:34 Black Gun wrote: upgrade your shield to one with higher block amount. thats gonna be huge. then upgrade your rings - they are pieces of trash, even for an underfunded hc char. a stronger weapon and/or some LoH would be nice aswell. in general though, barbs are the most common char on hc and the focus on defensive gear (AR and vit) is much stronger than on sc where the damage modifiers are - relatively speaking - more sought after. therefore, items with str + vit + ar are many times more expensive than on sc. my own poor hc barb has the same problem.... I've got 4 million gold, and it's hard to find good deals without overspending. As far as the shield, I've been looking for HOURS, but still can't find a good sacred shield that has a decent block % and all resists. I find that LoH is crazily overpriced at the moment. I don't feel like I need it and rather focus on damage mitigation. Can I check out your HC Barb? Profile please! :p I wanna see your skills set too. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 10 2012 00:47 trinxified wrote: Can I check out your HC Barb? Profile please! :p I wanna see your skills set too. sorry, he died 2.5 weeks ago to "chain-rubberbands". my new hc barb is only lvl 46. currently, im focusing more on my sc barb. which is still very underfunded right now. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Some are saying that the 20% reduces the actual damage, meaning 1000 dmg from a poison/molten/arcane tick is reduced to 800 dmg. Others are saying that it gives you a 20% CHANCE to actually NOT take damage at all. Which is it? Anyone confirm? And it says non-physical damage, so fireballs/little wasps aren't physical right? | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
On August 10 2012 00:47 trinxified wrote: I've got 4 million gold, and it's hard to find good deals without overspending. As far as the shield, I've been looking for HOURS, but still can't find a good sacred shield that has a decent block % and all resists. I find that LoH is crazily overpriced at the moment. I don't feel like I need it and rather focus on damage mitigation. Can I check out your HC Barb? Profile please! :p I wanna see your skills set too. I tried to sell my shield that has 27% block 50 all resist and 70 vit+ socket and no one touch it at start bid 1 m. In the end, after 3 days I just put it at 250K bid and it was sold for like 500k. But if you looking for cri chance + high block + all resist shield then it is goingto be more than 4 m. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On August 10 2012 14:22 pedduck wrote: I tried to sell my shield that has 27% block 50 all resist and 70 vit+ socket and no one touch it at start bid 1 m. In the end, after 3 days I just put it at 250K bid and it was sold for like 500k. But if you looking for cri chance + high block + all resist shield then it is goingto be more than 4 m. I would've bought that shield... you posted on US? And anybody answer my superstition mechanics question? ^^ | ||
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Kerans
Italy58 Posts
Fireballs are definitely non-physical, but I think wasps are. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 10 2012 17:00 Kerans wrote: Trinxified, as far as I know it's a flat 20% reduction from damage like plagued, desecrator and the like, so the first of your options: the tooltip about the passive seems pretty straightforward about it as well, and in my experience having it on an standing in desecrator and the like means your life goes down slower, but still constantly, until you move out. If your second options were true, there would be "speed bumps" in the speed the life goes down, which I've never noticed. Fireballs are definitely non-physical, but I think wasps are. afaik both wasps and desecrator pools are physical damage. | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
ediT: not my normal weap tho o.o how long has that been on there... | ||
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Turin
Germany72 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 10 2012 21:39 AdamBanks wrote: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Praxis-1641/hero/8313487 thoughts? suggestions? running about 1200 all res. and 80+ dam reduction. Im tankier than most ww barbs and it helps for a3/a4 leets, pretty much at the point where i dont die at all unless im asleep. Problem is trying to get more dps without sacing res/vit ediT: not my normal weap tho o.o how long has that been on there... holy shit dude, thats total defense overkill. you can easily sacrifice some surivability for more dps. one easy suggestion would be to get more ias - the higher attack speed increases your Loh and LL and thus your survivability, but also your dps. | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On August 10 2012 21:39 AdamBanks wrote: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Praxis-1641/hero/8313487 thoughts? suggestions? running about 1200 all res. and 80+ dam reduction. Im tankier than most ww barbs and it helps for a3/a4 leets, pretty much at the point where i dont die at all unless im asleep. Problem is trying to get more dps without sacing res/vit ediT: not my normal weap tho o.o how long has that been on there... :D check my new wep, helped out a nice bit balancing down res/vit for str/loh bah hasnt updated yet x.x | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:44 AdamBanks wrote: :D check my new wep, helped out a nice bit balancing down res/vit for str/loh bah hasnt updated yet x.x Your DPS is still cripplingly low. Don't you have problems with packs enraging? (and boredom). It's clear that you've set out to make the very tankiest barb you can, but it's evident you have been ignoring strength when comparing items. Your boots, legs, gloves and helm have strength on them - I would suggest replacing these items first. Your shoulders are also very low strength; it should be relatively cheap to get ones with 180+ strength. I also note that you are using the templar, which is very surprising as you are going for tanky-ness - the enchantress gives you 15% more armour and 3% attack speed! She is just flat out superior. Now that you have the enchantress's buff, you can safely change one of your defensive passives for an offensive passive (Ruthless or Weapon's Master) and be at the same levels of survivability as you were before! | ||
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