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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 19:24:18
June 25 2012 19:23 GMT
#3001
So I have a 60 Wiz with basically 100% crappy equipment. I have 15 mil on bank and am looking to get good gear for A1 MF farming. What slots should I improve first, and what stats should I look at getting? What build should I use?
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
babykoy
Profile Joined September 2010
12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 19:52:27
June 25 2012 19:47 GMT
#3002
Melee Wizard - viable?

i am level 47 - i am currently in act 3 of nightmare and so far my melee build is viable - very viable.

here are my primaries:
Astral Blade - pound for pound, the skill with the highest dmg as primary. I get the + 35% bleed dmg rune.
Arcane Orb - Obliterate. Again pound for pound the best damaging secondary spell.

Then my skills are:
Diamond Skin - pretty explanatory, i am melee
Force Armor - same reason as above
Wave of Force - to give me breathing room
Hydra - poison of course

setup is - always have force armor on
plant a hydra, run towards mob, then they will surround you
spam astral blade and arcane orb
hit diamond skin and wave of force if you need breathing room
rinse.repeat.

fun build - i feel like a barbarian with spells.
Oh and all my items have +VIT and +INT
wand and a shield as well


crajittok
Profile Joined June 2012
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 19:55:55
June 25 2012 19:55 GMT
#3003
It's viable up until Inferno. At that point you need massive amounts of armor, resists, and life on hit. Diamond Skin is helpful but you won't be able to replicate what a Barbarian can do.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
June 25 2012 20:22 GMT
#3004
On June 26 2012 01:25 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 01:14 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Right now I have 130% crit damage, 30.5% crit chance, 13% IAS and 1559 Intellect. I'm wondering if I'm abandoning too much intellect for the other stuff? It's pretty clear whenever I don't crit I'm not doing any damage at all. (these could be improved w/ a really nice amulet I have but it would be ~+1000 dps for ~-3500 hp and I'm not willing to do that at this time)

Also, what build is the best for these kind of stats? It would seem that Blizzard would be the best 'cause it ticks so many times, but I'm not sure how crits work with Blizzard. The other thing I'm doing is AO/MM with Temporari Flux, but I'm open to other stuff.


Your crit damage is really low, it probably isn't worth it to look for crit items unless you can boost that higher.


Sadly, I have a 1 hander without a socket and their price has gone up a ton since the patch
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
June 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#3005
Can anyone please tell me what the best wizard build for group play (3 players - 1 tank, 2 dps) is? I'm currently struggling in Act 3 with party, despite having good gear.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 21:06:22
June 25 2012 20:57 GMT
#3006
On June 26 2012 05:28 King.Crimson wrote:
Can anyone please tell me what the best wizard build for group play (3 players - 1 tank, 2 dps) is? I'm currently struggling in Act 3 with party, despite having good gear.
In any group with a tank, I'd wholeheartedly recommend an arcane dynamo + beam spell build as the entire channel gets the 75% damage increase. A full arcane bar of 75% increased arcane torrent is pretty disgusting(especially with good crit and AP on crit gear). Just be aware that since *all* wizards will want venom hydra it gets pretty annoying to manage the arcane dynamo stacks because of the bug where hydra consumes the 5 stacks, but do not actually get any increased damage.

Edit: For clarification, in my hardcore inferno farming group(mostly act 1 atm, but going to move on to act 2 soon) I run the following:
MM
V-hydra
A-Torrent(disruption)
MI
EA(prismatic)
Teleport(wormhole)
Using glass cannon(yes, glass cannon in hardcore inferno, you better believe it!), galvanizing ward and arcane dynamo as passives. When soloing I just swap out arcane torrent for blizzard.

I guess for later acts though, it entirely depends on just how well your tank can actually tank. If he needs to keep running away, having to stand still to channel is pretty pointless since you will probably be forced to kite.

Edit2: Do note that I play hardcore, and as such am pretty much forced to outgear content pretty heavily as far as resists/hp/armor is concerned, which allows for standing still in a lot of situations where a more squishier built character may not be able to.
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King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
June 25 2012 21:07 GMT
#3007
Very interesting build, i'll be sure to try it out. Thanks mate!
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
June 25 2012 23:15 GMT
#3008
I just got to inferno...didnt have much money so bought what i could. So i currently have 20k dps and about 450 all resist 25k life. (a bit low on hp i assume)

i have no idea how i should play my wizard. Any tips?
act 1 inferno seems quite easy but if i want to play act 2 would it be possible?
@ggmonx
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
June 25 2012 23:22 GMT
#3009
what kind of stats should I be looking at before moving to act 2 inferno

Im currently at :
1377 Int
4K Armor (with force armor) (57% damage reduction)
25.5% crit
173% crit damage
260-310 resists
29k life

I have been using magic missile(seeker), Arcane Orb (celestial orb), Hydra(venom), Magic Weapon(force), Teleport(fracture), and Force armor
Passives: Glass Cannon, Astral Presence, and Illusionist

When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
June 25 2012 23:34 GMT
#3010
On June 26 2012 08:22 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
what kind of stats should I be looking at before moving to act 2 inferno

Im currently at :
1377 Int
4K Armor (with force armor) (57% damage reduction)
25.5% crit
173% crit damage
260-310 resists
29k life

I have been using magic missile(seeker), Arcane Orb (celestial orb), Hydra(venom), Magic Weapon(force), Teleport(fracture), and Force armor
Passives: Glass Cannon, Astral Presence, and Illusionist



If you have 20k dps, act 2 is doable, its act 3 where it get tough. I would use blizzard with stark to kite mobs(makes everything a lot easier), also Id replace illusionist with arcane dynamo or prodigy.
DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
June 25 2012 23:57 GMT
#3011
So I've been using a wand+source the entire game, at Act 2 Inferno now. I've seen plenty of mention of 2-handers/axes/all sorts of things being used in this thread... have I been doing it wrong?

I've been going with -
Mouse: Hydra left / Orb right
Diamond / Force Weapon / Force Armor / Teleport

Would I be better of with magic missile and a non-wand? Any advice is appreciated.
"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
June 26 2012 00:00 GMT
#3012
On June 26 2012 08:57 DuB phool wrote:
So I've been using a wand+source the entire game, at Act 2 Inferno now. I've seen plenty of mention of 2-handers/axes/all sorts of things being used in this thread... have I been doing it wrong?

I've been going with -
Mouse: Hydra left / Orb right
Diamond / Force Weapon / Force Armor / Teleport

Would I be better of with magic missile and a non-wand? Any advice is appreciated.

the way i've come to see wizard is

Arcane Orb? 2h
MM? 1h

so with your build, sure 2h is probably better (assuming you get capped by Arcane Power often)
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DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
June 26 2012 00:05 GMT
#3013
On June 26 2012 09:00 blagoonga123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 08:57 DuB phool wrote:
So I've been using a wand+source the entire game, at Act 2 Inferno now. I've seen plenty of mention of 2-handers/axes/all sorts of things being used in this thread... have I been doing it wrong?

I've been going with -
Mouse: Hydra left / Orb right
Diamond / Force Weapon / Force Armor / Teleport

Would I be better of with magic missile and a non-wand? Any advice is appreciated.

the way i've come to see wizard is

Arcane Orb? 2h
MM? 1h

so with your build, sure 2h is probably better (assuming you get capped by Arcane Power often)

Interesting. I'm so used to using the basic wand attack while waiting for AP, that'll take some getting used to. So I basically just want as high a dps 2h as possible, no? Would Obliterate or Tap Source work better, or is that just preference?

Thanks for helping!
"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
June 26 2012 00:51 GMT
#3014
Dub phool, be careful about switching to a 2 hander. The old conventional wisdom on 2 handers formed when 15% IAS items were common, so starting with a .9 weapon and adding 45% IAS was viable. Now, unless you're willing to gear IAS pretty heavily, I think 1 hand plus off is the way to go, since without any IAS kiting with arcane orb is slow as hell and dangerous.

Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 00:57:40
June 26 2012 00:57 GMT
#3015
On June 26 2012 09:51 alQahira wrote:
Dub phool, be careful about switching to a 2 hander. The old conventional wisdom on 2 handers formed when 15% IAS items were common, so starting with a .9 weapon and adding 45% IAS was viable. Now, unless you're willing to gear IAS pretty heavily, I think 1 hand plus off is the way to go, since without any IAS kiting with arcane orb is slow as hell and dangerous.


Pretty much this. Using a 1 hander at 1.44 speed it'd be pretty hard for me to go back to a 2 hander at this point. Think of it this way, 2 hander = more damage, 1 hander = more versatility/survivability. I mean hell, you could argue that beams are the best dps and mob clearer in the game, but it's hardly ideal for you to stand there and channel when you need to kite. Then again, I don't know how the damage works out when you pool in all your attack speed/crit items at that level of gear. If you have a lot of decent attack speed gear I'd go for a 2 hander. Or maybe even if you don't you could find a decent 1200 DPS 2 hander with like 1.2 attack speed for cheap.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
June 26 2012 02:11 GMT
#3016
I'd also like to note that I've moved from a 1200 dps 2 hander pre-patch (at 1.0 attack speed) with what used to be 30% IAS from items to a 915 dps 1 hander with 1.4 attack speed, and a 190 avg damage source, and feel like my overall damage is much higher, mostly because I can actually get useful stats on that source (in this case, 8% crit, which translates to about 200 points of int in my specific case. If I can upgrade the source to add in some intelligence, all the better.)

Also, because I'm comfortable at 1.4 attack speed, I switched out my IAS gear for more crit and crit damage.

DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
June 26 2012 04:34 GMT
#3017
Bah. I guess I'll just try some things out and go with what keeps me alive and kills stuff the best. I do like my wand.
Thanks for all the info. Very informative!

Cheers and happy wizard-ing.
"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
June 26 2012 04:44 GMT
#3018


0.96 attack speed.

Judge for yourself whether more is needed.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 04:58:40
June 26 2012 04:58 GMT
#3019
On June 26 2012 13:44 Phael wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahzVNZtOj94


0.96 attack speed.

Judge for yourself whether more is needed.


lol 300k crit. i'll be lucky getting 40k crit. haha
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 05:11:46
June 26 2012 04:59 GMT
#3020
Idk, watching that it seemed mindnumbingly slow. I'm 100% sure I clear way faster than that. You also stood at a high arcane pool during the first elite, and it wasn't even particularly difficult. The next 2 didn't have any difficult affixes and they were a pretty easy elite so you had low arcane power, but I would imagine mortar, fast, melee, vortex mobs are still way more difficult at that attack speed. Especially nowadays when you even need to clear through soul lashers and such. I think you'd stand to gain a lot from 2x attack speed rings with crit on them.

In any case, at "my" gear level I'm pretty sure there's no 2 hander in the world that exists that would surpass my 1 hand/offhand setup. But when I look at gear under like 400 dmg sources I don't think I could deny 2 hander efficiency. The damage is way bigger. I just suggest a bit of attack speed to bump it up to like 1.2ish and attack speed rings are pretty damn efficient. You can't get much crit/crit dmg on those slots to begin with.
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