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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On June 15 2012 21:59 Doraemon wrote: hi guys, i'm up to act2 inferno, running with MM/AO with venom hydra. 36k hp, 21kd dps and 250 res all. what is the most important stat to go after? my crit is pretty low at like 10% chance or something. Your dps is way too low. Buy blue or yellow (if you're rich) items with high int. Get 2X 15% ias rings with 70 int Get an amulet 100 int / 15ias. Get gloves with 15ias and 100+ int. Get 12% MS boots with high int. Get a 800+ 1hander with 1.40as Don't get crit stuff. When the RMAH went live I sold everything that I had that was worth 100k+ I bought back a complete set of theses blues/rares for less than 150K and I'm back farming ponies. I'm at 42K dps/26Khp/250res | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
If anything it's good burst when I get to dump all my AP 80-0, after that it's abit iffy. Though the faster attack animation is nice I might just end up going 1h with no IAS stacking crit/crit dmg and AP on crit. Should be the best of both worlds. I just feel compared to other classes wizards don't get enough out of IAS, and after the nerf even less. | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On June 15 2012 23:23 Neeh wrote: Picked up some IAS gear but I'm not convinced..sure my "DPS" is way higher, but I still find myself AP starved 90% of the time while kiting champs/elites and the attack speed grants me naught..I'd rather have another 30% crit damage or more crit strike. Im up about 15k dps, but my orbs hit for about the same, and crit for less.. If anything it's good burst when I get to dump all my AP 80-0, after that it's abit iffy. Though the faster attack animation is nice I might just end up going 1h with no IAS stacking crit/crit dmg and AP on crit. Should be the best of both worlds. I just feel compared to other classes wizards don't get enough out of IAS, and after the nerf even less. IAS directly increases the damage of hydra which is typically one of your top damage dealers. If you're doing AO, then you're right: IAS is less effective since AO damage is constrained by AP regeneration rather than speed. There's a certain quality of life with kiting that you can attain with IAS since it affects your casting animation. But once you hit that point, you're typically better off stacking crit/crit dmg, especially with an AO-focused build. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
I used a 2-hand setup with my Wizard, with 45% IAS from amulet and rings. Enough to kite well and still do decent damage without being AP starved. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On June 15 2012 22:12 scDeluX wrote: Your dps is way too low. Buy blue or yellow (if you're rich) items with high int. Get 2X 15% ias rings with 70 int Get an amulet 100 int / 15ias. Get gloves with 15ias and 100+ int. Get 12% MS boots with high int. Get a 800+ 1hander with 1.40as Don't get crit stuff. When the RMAH went live I sold everything that I had that was worth 100k+ I bought back a complete set of theses blues/rares for less than 150K and I'm back farming ponies. I'm at 42K dps/26Khp/250res So you attack fast, but your actual damage on hit is low. Why would you advise against crit stuff, which has a chance to massively multiply single large hits? | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:22 Dfgj wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2012 22:12 scDeluX wrote: Your dps is way too low. Buy blue or yellow (if you're rich) items with high int. Get 2X 15% ias rings with 70 int Get an amulet 100 int / 15ias. Get gloves with 15ias and 100+ int. Get 12% MS boots with high int. Get a 800+ 1hander with 1.40as Don't get crit stuff. When the RMAH went live I sold everything that I had that was worth 100k+ I bought back a complete set of theses blues/rares for less than 150K and I'm back farming ponies. I'm at 42K dps/26Khp/250res So you attack fast, but your actual damage on hit is low. Why would you advise against crit stuff, which has a chance to massively multiply single large hits? Because items that have good bases (ias int vit) AND have crit chance/dmg are worth millions. It's a budget guide. Sure there are better items with more properties but you can't buy them all for 15K a piece. Bottom line crit is good but if you don't already have good/godly DPS/HP don't go for it. I don't think 25K dmg/15%crit chance/50%crit dmg is better than 50Kdps/0/0. | ||
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daredpanda
United States60 Posts
25K Dmg, 18K health 400-550 resist http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#acRQSO!fXU!bcaYZc And what is more beneficial Prismatic or Force Armor? | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
Quick question: Is this enoguht o get me trough act1 inf? I'm sure it fine but double checking. 25K Dmg, 18K health 400-550 resist http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#acRQSO!fXU!bcaYZc And what is more beneficial Prismatic or Force Armor? Yes this is enough. I think you would need Force Armor though. | ||
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:42 scDeluX wrote: Because items that have good bases (ias int vit) AND have crit chance/dmg are worth millions. It's a budget guide. Sure there are better items with more properties but you can't buy them all for 15K a piece. Bottom line crit is good but if you don't already have good/godly DPS/HP don't go for it. I don't think 25K dmg/15%crit chance/50%crit dmg is better than 50Kdps/0/0. I dont even think crit is worth it if you cant afford to buy a good weapon with crit dmg on it already and an open socket. I run with 41%crit chance, tried switching out weapons recently and it went very poorly without the crit dmg bonus. Listed at 65kdps but i can crit for 240k with AO, a number i imagine could go up if i actually went to a 2h weapon with the same criteria. Seems like people finally figured out those 1kdps weapons with 25% ias werent better than a 900 with crit and a socket though, prices are through the roof, gl to anyone whos trying to get into the crit market just now. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:17 Nizaris wrote: 30k hp isn't low. i was doing fine in act3 with 22k (and 300 resist), and 50k dps. maximize your dps first and foremost. build is almost exactly like mine except hydra is my right click and AO my left click (i use shift allot to not move towards the mob when i'm out of AP). and i replaced MM with teleport/fracture which is an awesome survivability spell. don't bother with illusionist, glass cannon FTW. only place i missed illusionist is Azmodan for the pools, but you can live without. forget MM unless you're doing Diablo. and get some crit. i'm sitting at 1.2 atk speed (.9 2hander with 2 IAS piece) 25% crit chance 180% crit damage and it's fucking sweet (been farming Azmodan solo, or i carry my friends). helm bracers gloves and jewels should all have crit chance/dmg unless they have atk speed, but i wouldn't put more then 2-3 IAS pieces. Boots NEED 12% speed. and all sockets should be int. crit damage on the weap. i have to agree with him, 22k hit points is enough (for act 2 at least), but combined with good armour and resists, I even prefer the lower hp pool coz u heal faster and the armour and resists make diamond skin viable again. What made me be able to start farming act2 was actually the increase in dps, thats what has made the biggest dif for me. I am also taking the crit route as i find ias not so good when playing with no signature spell. i just have like 1,5 attaks (1,2 spear with no ias + 27% on a ring + chest piece) and i find the sweet spot is somewehre around there u speed up the animation but dont drain ap so fast. As for the crit im on 28% but just 1.3 damage. I am wanting to up them still a bit further even, hit the 33% and at least 1.5 mark. Those are numbers that look great on paper for my build, 33% would be 1crit in 3 hits and arcane torrent and hydra each shoot 3 missiles per attak, so would be getting theoretically an average of 1 crit per attak. That paired with 20+ ap on crit would make me not run out of ap and proc crit mass pretty often for defence, but thats the theory. I bought some cheap helm and offhand with `+10 ap on crit to test it out but it seems to not be working, coz i was criting and not getting my ap back. Do you guys know if Ap on crit is bugged or something? should it be fixed for 1.03? | ||
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alQahira
United States511 Posts
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ximae
181 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:42 scDeluX wrote: I don't think 25K dmg/15%crit chance/50%crit dmg is better than 50Kdps/0/0. u know that pumping crit chance and crit damage directly reflect in ur dps (the caracter sheet i mean) right? coz staking it has jumped my dps like 12k, besides the fact that ias is much more limited to ap. I mean sure everyone plays like he wants, but after testing things out id only want very hight ias if i was going with a signature spell, and since im not crit has been benefiting me way more. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:09 alQahira wrote: Hydras don't crit. Crit chance and damage increase hydra damage, but they don't trigger actual critical hits. Same for blizzard. arcane hydra does, at least ive been seeing plenty of yellow ticks with it. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:42 scDeluX wrote: Because items that have good bases (ias int vit) AND have crit chance/dmg are worth millions. It's a budget guide. Sure there are better items with more properties but you can't buy them all for 15K a piece. Bottom line crit is good but if you don't already have good/godly DPS/HP don't go for it. I don't think 25K dmg/15%crit chance/50%crit dmg is better than 50Kdps/0/0. If both character setups have the same base damage (ie: the 50k is made up primarily of ias), and the build being used is one that relies on slower AP spells (AO), then the former is better because it does more damage. Only if you're using signature spells is ias actually valuable in increasing dps - otherwise it's just inflating the number on paper. If you're seriously budgeting, there's no point spending money on ias mods that don't help your build. On June 16 2012 01:53 daredpanda wrote: Quick question: Is this enoguht o get me trough act1 inf? I'm sure it fine but double checking. 25K Dmg, 18K health 400-550 resist http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#acRQSO!fXU!bcaYZc And what is more beneficial Prismatic or Force Armor? It's enough for Act1, but your hp should really be higher. With 45k hp and 600+ all res I used prismatic armor in a lot of areas since most things wouldn't trigger force armor anyways. Bigger attacks are often more visible and easier to avoid. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34491 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:18 ximae wrote: arcane hydra does, at least ive been seeing plenty of yellow ticks with it. I don't know about arcane but venom doesn't. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:26 Dfgj wrote: It's enough for Act1, but your hp should really be higher. With 45k hp and 600+ all res I used prismatic armor in a lot of areas since most things wouldn't trigger force armor anyways. Bigger attacks are often more visible and easier to avoid. LOL, no wonder fa didnt proc with that massive damage reduction and hp pool i doubt most attaks would even trigger illusionist! but for us mortal guys with out that ubber gear, we need to sacrifice some stats to pump dps and going for decent armour + resists allows us to skip getting a ton of vitality. So we can rely on FA and DS for the survivability. SO yeah i guess u could use his post as a benchmark, if ur at 40k hp, 6-7k armour and 600-700 resists then use prismatic, anything less and ull be better of with FA. edit: Anyways, back to my previous question. Do u know if Ap on crit is totally bugged? or is it just on certain spells. And is there any notes on it being fixed on next patch? | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
Do u know if Ap on crit is totally bugged? or is it just on certain spells. And is there any notes on it being fixed on next patch? Whats bugged about it ? For aoe spells you get a smaller amount same as with life on hit for example. | ||
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