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Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
March 24 2011 22:43 GMT
#561
THIS IS AWESOME!!!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
March 24 2011 23:55 GMT
#562
On March 24 2011 08:22 chobopeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 08:11 infinity2k9 wrote:
On March 24 2011 08:05 chobopeon wrote:
If this dream is already realized for you in Korea, you're dreaming awfully small.


You must be one of the crazy people like the guy who thought that American Football downtime would lead to somehow more SC2 viewers right? BW got 100,000 people live at a Proleague final in it's peak. If that's dreaming small then i got no idea wtf you are thinking this is going to turn into.


Brood War was and is great. This is a new game and, overall, it has taken over as torch bearer for e-sports. The current state of SC2 in Korea is not the dream at all, not for me. In my opinion, it's just a start.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the football strike meaning more SC2 viewers but no, I don't think that.


That's where i don't agree with certain people right there. The Koreans have integrated gaming into their culture. The only reason why SC2 isn't bigger in Korea right now,is most probably because the main gaming channels aren't involved with the game because of the Kespa situation. This is not like WC3 and it's downfall in Korea. There's a few other games there that attracts viewers other than Broodwar and Sc2. There's 2 channels dedicated to gaming, pc bangs everywhere, and an environment where gaming is cool. Being a nerd can be attractive in Asia. There's alot of different stuff that differs from the American Culture. I personally believe that in places like Canada, Germany and Sweden, Esports has more chances to take place than the United States.

I think that it's going to take a lot more than money and exposure in the United States for Esports to be legitimized. On the other hand, i think that in Sweden, the thing that is happening there that Sjow and TLO were kind of talking about could very much work. It seems much more accepted there. I can't explain why. Maybe I'm dead wrong though. Maybe it's also the scientist in me that always view claims being made pessimistically. I don't know.

But i don't agree with Korea not being the dream at all. That, i just can't agree with you.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
March 25 2011 00:09 GMT
#563
Sorry so I haven't been following past day or so - with the new updates - this appears to be an INDIVIDUAL league correct? and not a team league anymore?
the farm ends here
Justanx
Profile Joined November 2010
United States240 Posts
March 25 2011 00:30 GMT
#564
On March 24 2011 05:07 djWHEAT wrote:
People got on my junk when I said the EXACT same thing about GOMtv's GSL. And I stuck by my word the entire time.

I'm fine if people don't like what I've said in this thread, I've got 10 years of experience seeing leagues start, fail, succeed, and grow. You can ignore the past 10 years of history... or you can use it to see why many of their decisions are in fact "smart".

Here are some FACTS:
- CGS, the first North American Televised Gaming Show, was destroyed because they tried to bite off more than they could chew. They thought they NEEDED to go global with their initiative and the end result was a waste of nearly $20 million dollars. That league died so fast because money was spent poorly. So for those who are expressing their concern over the fact that it's a NA focused league should consider that any company who's "breaking" into SC2 would be silly to attempt a "global" league when it could indeed fail. It's MUCH SMARTER to start with a very controlled and cost effective project, and grow from there. Just because it appears NA is their target for their first venture, doesn't mean they are ignoring the rest of the world.

And because I know someone will mention GSL, keep in mind that although GSL has "GLOBAL" in the title, they do not really have much operating cost outside of Korea. If you want to compete in that league you still have to get yourself to Korea to play. In CGS's case, they were fronting the cost of travel and accommodations for hundreds of players who ultimately (aside from a few Euro teams) brought nothing to the league.

- IGN is a North American company. Although they have reach well beyond NA, it makes sense (even if strictly from an advertising POV) that it would limit the first project to NA. That's just business folks. And it's smart business. You might not agree with it, but it's a pretty wise move especially considering all the other leagues which have fallen due to their urgency to expand "globally".

- North America has been look at in the eSports community as being "FUCKED UP" for the past 4 years. And technically, everyone who says this is right. We lost CPL, CGS, basically every major league which was present during the 2002-2005 eSports era. We need to rebuild like Doozers in Fraggle Rock. We need more potential for LAN events here in the US. As much as I preach global exposure to eSports, North America needs some SOLID leagues, events, and exposure to regain the prestige that NA once had. MLG is contributing to this and is a great effort, but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. NASL is a great start too... seeing IGN jump in the mix is equally as exciting.

- And since we're on the topic of IGN. NASL, ESL, MLG, etc... sorry but those guys are small potatoes compared to the potential exposure, revenue, and stability that IGN has to offer. Sure they might not have a glowing history in Pro-Gaming, but does that mean we should crucify them before they've even technically announced their intentions? In fact, I think we should as supportive as possible because don't we, as fans, just want more content, games, etc?

Additionally, it's a good time to reference the SotG PAX Edition in which Day[9] said one of the best way you can support SC2 is by SUPPORTING THE PLAYERS. With each new league that shows potential in this space, it's another opportunity for our rising NA stars to play, win, and earn. I for one would be tickled if I found out that my favorite NA players could focus 150% on SC2 because the amount of leagues (and potential prize money) continues to rise. Therefore... if we support the leagues, we're supporting the players (and even more than that - but I think this is a good time to reiterate what Day was saying).

I understand my post may have come off as harsh... but I'm tired of seeing communities shit on efforts which can only further the cause. And if this turns out to be one massive pile of shit (which I really doubt will be the case) - then I'll gladly come back and say ALL YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT. Until then, I'll continue to be the snobby optimist that I am.


Amen, I really liked the CGS, but yes it tried to grow to fast. Was my first taste of the Wheat miester lol. So yes please give it a chance to start small and not be to be ambitious. If players globally wanna participate helllz yeah ,but plz god don't let it fall like CGS did.
Ding Dong Usama is dead
nart
Profile Joined March 2011
97 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 06:11:05
March 25 2011 06:08 GMT
#565
If any company or organization is trying to form a league by not providing much detail and let the community guess like the NASL and IGN do, then they deserve criticism. They're asking for hypes and opinions from the community; some opinions might not be in their favor. Criticism usually leads to better outcome. So, people should stop complaining about others for being pessimistic. Nobody wants these leagues to fail. They just want voice their opinion, which is what NASL and IGN are asking for by over hyping things with just a number and not much detail.

Just because people are criticizing the tournament format doesn't mean they're "not supporting the players and growth of esport". <= A pretty old trick used a lot in politic and now being used by djWHEAT, I think.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 25 2011 06:46 GMT
#566
On March 25 2011 08:55 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
But i don't agree with Korea not being the dream at all. That, i just can't agree with you.


I don't know what to tell you. Brood War was great but excluded the foreigners and often treated their own players like shit. The scene is far from perfect and not "the dream" at all.

"The dream" for me is a truly global scene in which everyone in the industry is treated fairly and with respect (at least as far as getting a salary that they can live on), where professionalism is the status quo, where stability and responsibility are the names of the game.

I'm sure there are more things I can dream of but those are but a few dreams I came up with in 60 seconds. Korea was not that. Maybe we'll get there one day!
:O
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 11:15:55
March 25 2011 11:13 GMT
#567
On March 25 2011 15:08 nart wrote:
If any company or organization is trying to form a league by not providing much detail and let the community guess like the NASL and IGN do, then they deserve criticism. They're asking for hypes and opinions from the community; some opinions might not be in their favor. Criticism usually leads to better outcome. So, people should stop complaining about others for being pessimistic. Nobody wants these leagues to fail. They just want voice their opinion, which is what NASL and IGN are asking for by over hyping things with just a number and not much detail.

Just because people are criticizing the tournament format doesn't mean they're "not supporting the players and growth of esport". <= A pretty old trick used a lot in politic and now being used by djWHEAT, I think.
Much of the criticism of the criticism has actually focused on the way and the tone people have brought forth their complaints.

It's hard to appreciate criticism when someone comes off as an insanely rude and condescending prick/manchild full of self-entitlement. Constructive criticism is great, but some of the stuff I've seen in the NASL thread... Damn. I know this is the internet, where the sense of anonymity baits so many decent people into behaving like assholes, but that's simply not conductive to any sort of proper discussion. People cannot expect to be treated fairly and rationally when all they do is bitch and moan in the most annoying way possible.

Again, I think (and I'm not speaking for the NASL or IGN people, so they can correct me if I'm wrong) user feedback and actual, constructive criticism is welcomed, not chastised.
Kamate
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania580 Posts
March 25 2011 17:23 GMT
#568
I personally think that the OP is about announcing this league. So the guys are preparing:

http://www.ign.com/blogs/ipl.spades/2011/03/24/ign-last-weekend/
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
March 25 2011 18:33 GMT
#569
Wheat's post should probably be in the op.

Pity it's not in blue
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
March 25 2011 19:09 GMT
#570
Hmm ign seem pretty ignorant a lot of the time but if they do their research and listen to the community it should be pretty damn good. Also i hope it includes europeans and koreans otherwise it will be kinda lame.
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
March 25 2011 20:33 GMT
#571
This will be motherfucking huge, eSports has a bright future :D
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Meko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 20:40:55
March 25 2011 20:40 GMT
#572
It always seems very strange that people are sketchy on releasing details about something until days before the release or not at all until the release itself. Seems like it would be better to get feedback before everything goes live and they have to have the pressure of fixing it quickly then.

Of course I'm still excited about it and I'm sure it's a hype thing. I just would prefer to see a bit more of what's to come but I suppose at this point anything to help eSports is good. :x
Graphics
mcbrite
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany229 Posts
March 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#573
IGN is a piece of shite, let's hope that league doesn't share that fate...
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 25 2011 23:39 GMT
#574
What kind of a league will it be? Is there a name for it yet?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
March 26 2011 00:12 GMT
#575
this is awesome news, i always browse IGN its pretty much my go-to game site (even if they are biased to COD)
Meko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States129 Posts
March 26 2011 00:42 GMT
#576
On March 26 2011 08:39 GreEny K wrote:
What kind of a league will it be? Is there a name for it yet?

I believe they're calling it the IGN ProLeague, IPL for short.
Graphics
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
March 26 2011 01:47 GMT
#577
I'd love to hear what they aim for with this league. It just doesn't seem to fit in. The prize pool seems to suggest that they want to be up there with the big leagues like NASL when it comes to spectators, or TSL for that matter, but with these players I can't see them getting anywhere near that. I hope NA is ready for this because I doubt they'll have many viewers from outside of NA.

It's great what they're doing, I just hope they haven't set their aim too high.
Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
March 26 2011 02:45 GMT
#578
SC2 taking e-Sports to a whole other level outside SK.
Starcraft is a mix between chess, poker and a Michael Bay movie.
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
March 26 2011 05:19 GMT
#579
On March 25 2011 15:46 chobopeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 08:55 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
But i don't agree with Korea not being the dream at all. That, i just can't agree with you.


I don't know what to tell you. Brood War was great but excluded the foreigners and often treated their own players like shit. The scene is far from perfect and not "the dream" at all.

"The dream" for me is a truly global scene in which everyone in the industry is treated fairly and with respect (at least as far as getting a salary that they can live on), where professionalism is the status quo, where stability and responsibility are the names of the game.

I'm sure there are more things I can dream of but those are but a few dreams I came up with in 60 seconds. Korea was not that. Maybe we'll get there one day!


I agree with you that the Brood War scene was far from perfect. As a matter of fact, i said the same thing as you in the SaviOr thread. But i do believe that those things that needs to be done, have to sprout of Korea since Esports have it's root there. Ithink the GSL is working towards that goal.
I remember alot of coaches in the SC2 community having a go at KeSPA and teams being formed under the impression that fun was an important part of the whole deal.

And as for Stability, i think that it would be hard for any scene not to start from SK. If it can't happen there, i personally fear for the worst. But I'm very positive about the GSL and it's willingness to work towards those dreams of yours, they are mine as well i must say.

And when i say that Korea is the dream, it's more in term of general acceptance and just acknowledgment that pros have.

The only thing that could knock Sc2 down would be Kespa and the inability for the gaming tv stations to broadcast games. Hopefully, things will get sorted out positively.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
March 26 2011 08:49 GMT
#580
woooowwww that is so awesome. Sc2 is a great game, I love playing it and I love the ladder map pool and I love all the tournaments going on.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
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