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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
March 24 2011 05:28 GMT
#541
On March 24 2011 05:07 djWHEAT wrote:
People got on my junk when I said the EXACT same thing about GOMtv's GSL. And I stuck by my word the entire time.

I'm fine if people don't like what I've said in this thread, I've got 10 years of experience seeing leagues start, fail, succeed, and grow. You can ignore the past 10 years of history... or you can use it to see why many of their decisions are in fact "smart".

Here are some FACTS:
- CGS, the first North American Televised Gaming Show, was destroyed because they tried to bite off more than they could chew. They thought they NEEDED to go global with their initiative and the end result was a waste of nearly $20 million dollars. That league died so fast because money was spent poorly. So for those who are expressing their concern over the fact that it's a NA focused league should consider that any company who's "breaking" into SC2 would be silly to attempt a "global" league when it could indeed fail. It's MUCH SMARTER to start with a very controlled and cost effective project, and grow from there. Just because it appears NA is their target for their first venture, doesn't mean they are ignoring the rest of the world.

And because I know someone will mention GSL, keep in mind that although GSL has "GLOBAL" in the title, they do not really have much operating cost outside of Korea. If you want to compete in that league you still have to get yourself to Korea to play. In CGS's case, they were fronting the cost of travel and accommodations for hundreds of players who ultimately (aside from a few Euro teams) brought nothing to the league.

- IGN is a North American company. Although they have reach well beyond NA, it makes sense (even if strictly from an advertising POV) that it would limit the first project to NA. That's just business folks. And it's smart business. You might not agree with it, but it's a pretty wise move especially considering all the other leagues which have fallen due to their urgency to expand "globally".

- North America has been look at in the eSports community as being "FUCKED UP" for the past 4 years. And technically, everyone who says this is right. We lost CPL, CGS, basically every major league which was present during the 2002-2005 eSports era. We need to rebuild like Doozers in Fraggle Rock. We need more potential for LAN events here in the US. As much as I preach global exposure to eSports, North America needs some SOLID leagues, events, and exposure to regain the prestige that NA once had. MLG is contributing to this and is a great effort, but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. NASL is a great start too... seeing IGN jump in the mix is equally as exciting.

- And since we're on the topic of IGN. NASL, ESL, MLG, etc... sorry but those guys are small potatoes compared to the potential exposure, revenue, and stability that IGN has to offer. Sure they might not have a glowing history in Pro-Gaming, but does that mean we should crucify them before they've even technically announced their intentions? In fact, I think we should as supportive as possible because don't we, as fans, just want more content, games, etc?

Additionally, it's a good time to reference the SotG PAX Edition in which Day[9] said one of the best way you can support SC2 is by SUPPORTING THE PLAYERS. With each new league that shows potential in this space, it's another opportunity for our rising NA stars to play, win, and earn. I for one would be tickled if I found out that my favorite NA players could focus 150% on SC2 because the amount of leagues (and potential prize money) continues to rise. Therefore... if we support the leagues, we're supporting the players (and even more than that - but I think this is a good time to reiterate what Day was saying).

I understand my post may have come off as harsh... but I'm tired of seeing communities shit on efforts which can only further the cause. And if this turns out to be one massive pile of shit (which I really doubt will be the case) - then I'll gladly come back and say ALL YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT. Until then, I'll continue to be the snobby optimist that I am.


DJ Wheat spittin' mad truth! I've been trying to say the same thing in various threads. eSports can't grow if it continues to try to bite off more than it can chew. Even GSL focuses it's efforts to Korea. And from the start, Korean eSports has always been about Korea. The NBA is not a global league. World wide events are few and far between for sports. Sure, since it's a video game we can play online, but honestly that stuff lacks the spectacle and energy of a live event. We can still have our big international tournaments. We got Blizzcon. We got GOM's up and coming world championship. IEM's world championship. If you look at live events, the participants are often local. A few players may fly in on sponsorships, but compete at a loss. It's too rough on players to have to be traveling around all the time. We can only go so far with online tournaments.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
DONTPANIC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States340 Posts
March 24 2011 06:01 GMT
#542
Thanks for quoting DJwheat so I didnt have to go looking for it. Wheat is so awesome and this is awesome news. How anyone could see anything negitive about more exposure for a game that we all love and live for is beyond me.
The universe is big. Really big.
Skrillex
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada48 Posts
March 24 2011 06:42 GMT
#543
intant register on IGN lol

is it me or, Western esport has never been this huge? lol GO SC2 !!
"Masked call = Hoody answer" -Jeff Lee "So Imma freak out but just a little bit" -iNcontroL
opaque
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation89 Posts
March 24 2011 06:43 GMT
#544
While still unclear in regards to the details, this appears to be another advancement for SC2 in the NA scene. People spinning this in a negative light need to wake up and smell the reality.
What
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 24 2011 09:51 GMT
#545
That was a good rant by DJWheat. I think the issue is that people have gotten so used to the scene being so international. In something like CS nobody would think it's weird with an NA only league.
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
March 24 2011 10:44 GMT
#546
A pity i refused to support something owned by murdoch :/

Dammit, i hate it when ethics get in the way of my gaming. Maybe it'll raise the profile of the esports community more and then i will be able to support his competitors :D
The world is ending what should we do about it?
Kamate
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania580 Posts
March 24 2011 12:12 GMT
#547
Well, I was a member of IGN for some time, watching gaming news, but, since I read this, I am all over following Idra, Drewbie and all the other players ( thanks for links in the OP) - tho I am not much of a follower in these social networks;
I do this because I think its important to get my support to these players registered on IGN and to hype and support the players of this future league.
All the best, guys!
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 12:32:53
March 24 2011 12:14 GMT
#548
Found the 16th? ipl.destiny!
edit: hmm there now more than 16 players with ipl. tags -- interesting. possibly evidence for it being a team league?
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 24 2011 12:43 GMT
#549
djWHEAT just owned the thread. Great post!

MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 13:55:03
March 24 2011 13:54 GMT
#550
I haven't read the rest of the thread yet... but considering HD's IGN tournament... I'm betting they're going after HD to cast it... possible Husky as well?

(Seems like a very IGN thing to do.)
eits
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States210 Posts
March 24 2011 13:59 GMT
#551
AHHHHH MORE LEAGUES IN AMERICA!!!! this is great news and gives foreigners great things to strive for with NASL and now this!
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 24 2011 15:02 GMT
#552
On March 24 2011 22:54 MrSexington wrote:
I haven't read the rest of the thread yet... but considering HD's IGN tournament... I'm betting they're going after HD to cast it... possible Husky as well?

(Seems like a very IGN thing to do.)

I doubt both...Husky lives in Socal now and IGN and HD are both from SF Bay Area. The latter is more likely but not by any means confirmed, and Husky....just....doubt it
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DND_Enkil
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 15:22:34
March 24 2011 15:22 GMT
#553
On March 24 2011 05:07 djWHEAT wrote:
People got on my junk + Show Spoiler +
when I said the EXACT same thing about GOMtv's GSL. And I stuck by my word the entire time.

I'm fine if people don't like what I've said in this thread, I've got 10 years of experience seeing leagues start, fail, succeed, and grow. You can ignore the past 10 years of history... or you can use it to see why many of their decisions are in fact "smart".

Here are some FACTS:
- CGS, the first North American Televised Gaming Show, was destroyed because they tried to bite off more than they could chew. They thought they NEEDED to go global with their initiative and the end result was a waste of nearly $20 million dollars. That league died so fast because money was spent poorly. So for those who are expressing their concern over the fact that it's a NA focused league should consider that any company who's "breaking" into SC2 would be silly to attempt a "global" league when it could indeed fail. It's MUCH SMARTER to start with a very controlled and cost effective project, and grow from there. Just because it appears NA is their target for their first venture, doesn't mean they are ignoring the rest of the world.

And because I know someone will mention GSL, keep in mind that although GSL has "GLOBAL" in the title, they do not really have much operating cost outside of Korea. If you want to compete in that league you still have to get yourself to Korea to play. In CGS's case, they were fronting the cost of travel and accommodations for hundreds of players who ultimately (aside from a few Euro teams) brought nothing to the league.

- IGN is a North American company. Although they have reach well beyond NA, it makes sense (even if strictly from an advertising POV) that it would limit the first project to NA. That's just business folks. And it's smart business. You might not agree with it, but it's a pretty wise move especially considering all the other leagues which have fallen due to their urgency to expand "globally".

- North America has been look at in the eSports community as being "FUCKED UP" for the past 4 years. And technically, everyone who says this is right. We lost CPL, CGS, basically every major league which was present during the 2002-2005 eSports era. We need to rebuild like Doozers in Fraggle Rock. We need more potential for LAN events here in the US. As much as I preach global exposure to eSports, North America needs some SOLID leagues, events, and exposure to regain the prestige that NA once had. MLG is contributing to this and is a great effort, but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. NASL is a great start too... seeing IGN jump in the mix is equally as exciting.

- And since we're on the topic of IGN. NASL, ESL, MLG, etc... sorry but those guys are small potatoes compared to the potential exposure, revenue, and stability that IGN has to offer. Sure they might not have a glowing history in Pro-Gaming, but does that mean we should crucify them before they've even technically announced their intentions? In fact, I think we should as supportive as possible because don't we, as fans, just want more content, games, etc?

Additionally, it's a good time to reference the SotG PAX Edition in which Day[9] said one of the best way you can support SC2 is by SUPPORTING THE PLAYERS. With each new league that shows potential in this space, it's another opportunity for our rising NA stars to play, win, and earn. I for one would be tickled if I found out that my favorite NA players could focus 150% on SC2 because the amount of leagues (and potential prize money) continues to rise. Therefore... if we support the leagues, we're supporting the players (and even more than that - but I think this is a good time to reiterate what Day was saying).

I understand my post may have come off as harsh... but I'm tired of seeing communities shit on efforts which can only further the cause. And if this turns out to be one massive pile of shit (which I really doubt will be the case) - then I'll gladly come back and say ALL YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT. Until then, I'll continue to be the snobby optimist that I am.


I think you make some exellent points here, keeping it NA focused to start with is fine in my opinion.

I do however hope that EU/KR/etc players are given the opportunity to compete in the league if they move to US, temporary or permanently, during the league. And from the invites that does seem to be the case, meaning i am very much happy =)
"If you write about a sewing needle there is always some one-eyed bastard that gets offended" - Fritiof The Pirate Nilsson
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
March 24 2011 19:25 GMT
#554
NASL/IGN and all this leagues need to not just give prise money to the winner, it needs to be divided like the GSL/TSL where everyone in the league makes an okay sum of money, 1k for 1month or so of work is pretty good for coming last (and this also means you only had to compete for not even a month), give the winner 50k/100k and dived the rest 50k/100k (NASL giving 100k/100k/200k), that way everyone can make some money out of it, and then they can sustain themselves so they can just practice and they don't need to go and work and part time practice. I don't understand this craze where no one gets anything but one person.

If you look at it just from a busyness standpoint they worked for you, give them a sum that pays them for the work they did for you, (created x amount of games which means they got x amount of rounds, which then at the end you pay them for).
this mah s#$%$
BritishBeef
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom372 Posts
March 24 2011 19:31 GMT
#555
It should be NA focused but ANYONE should be able to compete! and it seems that way!
Albrithe
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada187 Posts
March 24 2011 19:37 GMT
#556
On March 25 2011 04:25 elementz wrote:
NASL/IGN and all this leagues need to not just give prise money to the winner, it needs to be divided like the GSL/TSL where everyone in the league makes an okay sum of money, 1k for 1month or so of work is pretty good for coming last (and this also means you only had to compete for not even a month), give the winner 50k/100k and dived the rest 50k/100k (NASL giving 100k/100k/200k), that way everyone can make some money out of it, and then they can sustain themselves so they can just practice and they don't need to go and work and part time practice. I don't understand this craze where no one gets anything but one person.

If you look at it just from a busyness standpoint they worked for you, give them a sum that pays them for the work they did for you, (created x amount of games which means they got x amount of rounds, which then at the end you pay them for).

I don't think the prize pool is simply a lump sum for 1st place. Generally the prize pool is divided amongst the top players. Sort of like Golf. The top X players all get paid, they just get paid more the higher they placed.
"You don't need a condom... to get up on 'dem..." -Zach Weiner
AEIownedU
Profile Joined January 2011
United States18 Posts
March 24 2011 20:13 GMT
#557
omg im sooo pumped.
another american league is awesome!
Team Liquid FIGHTINGGG!!!
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
March 24 2011 20:21 GMT
#558
I can't believe how fast SC2 is growing, both in America and in Korea. I can't think of another game that has taken off this quickly.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
wordd
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia190 Posts
March 24 2011 20:53 GMT
#559
we need to rebuild like the doozers in fraggle rock
YA
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 24 2011 21:04 GMT
#560
On March 25 2011 05:53 wordd wrote:
we need to rebuild like the doozers in fraggle rock


the man has a way with words
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