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dstryr
United States69 Posts
IGN will be able to bring so much exposure to the mainstream if this has even moderate success. We are all apart of something big that is taking shape. Support your players, teams, and venues at every opportunity you can. The dream is on its way to becoming reality  | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 24 2011 05:55 evoli wrote: There are a handful of people who are involved in this project, and for the most part they've been careful about what information they've let out. Not careful enough Lol but on a serious note, I agree with your sentiment, what chobopeon wrote in his post is the information he's received, meanwhile there have been minimum 50 posts that I've seen in this thread already of people making the wildest assumptions based off of nothing but 8 pictures or so. | ||
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DarkGeneral
Canada328 Posts
On March 23 2011 08:26 NotSupporting wrote: esport is getting real... so fo real | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 24 2011 05:23 chobopeon wrote: I think some skepticism is warranted and probably beneficial. That said, a significant portion of people are shitting on this venture with no real justification. How do you know IGN doesn't "listen to the people"? They haven't even announced anything. You probably ought to give them some time before enthusiastically dismissing the whole thing. If I could offer everyone one piece of advice: listen to Wheat. The guy knows what he's talking about. Well for one, I'm not one of those who claim that the league is doomed to failure, nor do i have a problem with which company promote the league. I don't have problems with sponsors or nothing of this nature, just with the NA policy which seems to be in vigor. That's the only part i have a problem with. As for my assumption over them not listening to us, it's just an impression that i have. If they are, good for them. But if they keep the NA thing alive, I'm personally not down with that policy. Like i said, i've been watching Bw and Esports for 13 years, I'm looking for games of high quality. In the beginning, i wasn't interested in the NASL, but they changed certain policies that they had, and now I'm looking forward the tournament. We got MLG already, and i think that's enough. I also think that the price pool is inflated for the amount of skill in their choice of players. That's my personal concerns. I don't think I'm in any way, hating. I don't think I'm unreasonably pessimistic. Those are concerns from someone with relative experience dealing with Esports. I remember when Romero gave his Ferrari to the winner of a quake tournament. It was big. Didn't help Esports in any way. | ||
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julianto
2292 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 24 2011 07:07 HowSoOnIsNow wrote: Well for one, I'm not one of those who claim that the league is doomed to failure, nor do i have a problem with which company promote the league. I don't have problems with sponsors or nothing of this nature, just with the NA policy which seems to be in vigor. That's the only part i have a problem with. As for my assumption over them not listening to us, it's just an impression that i have. If they are, good for them. But if they keep the NA thing alive, I'm personally not down with that policy. Like i said, i've been watching Bw and Esports for 13 years, I'm looking for games of high quality. In the beginning, i wasn't interested in the NASL, but they changed certain policies that they had, and now I'm looking forward the tournament. We got MLG already, and i think that's enough. I also think that the price pool is inflated for the amount of skill in their choice of players. That's my personal concerns. I don't think I'm in any way, hating. I don't think I'm unreasonably pessimistic. Those are concerns from someone with relative experience dealing with Esports. I remember when Romero gave his Ferrari to the winner of a quake tournament. It was big. Didn't help Esports in any way. To be fair, IGN is looking at a much wider spectrum than fans like you. They want to get these casual fans in, the ones that watch HD and Husky, the ones who check IGN regularly. The players chosen are damn good players and have some personality that will attract those type of fans. Not to sound like a dick, but right now, the posters on Team Liquid aren't the people this league really needs to cater. Its going after those who aren't really into eSports at all. A lot of people from TL will still tune in because of the games, but they are thinking much bigger than that, which is great. DJ Wheat, thank you for such a great post. I am also an optimist and love to see all the effort that is going in to growing the NA eSports scene. A few months ago I didn't see anything like this happening, but now, I think eSports is about to fucking blow NA up. And it seems sc2 will be leading the way. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On March 24 2011 07:10 julianto wrote: I also Djwheat I think I Djwheat too. Will be eagerly waiting for that countdown timer to run down so we can know what's going on exactly. ^^ | ||
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rbkl
772 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote: Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts". I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH". Look at everything 6 months later. Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet. Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that). So your points are just one big SUPPORT ESPORTS. Whats the point of even discussion besides 'This will be great! eSports!!!!!' when any opinions are just met with constant defence? Nothing about this IGN thing so far seems to have an interest for me. As for it's relation to eSports, it's a big prize pool but we've all seen in the past big prize pools don't necessarily lead to a stable scene. We need teams with salaries, not massive prizes all going to the same people. The Romero Ferrari example is a great choice of comparison. Let's say IGN sponsored a team, got them a practice house and paid for their travel to play in tournaments around the world while making big articles about their home team. That would be something. But this? 150k that helps nothing but the top 3 players (and competed for by a lot of mediocre players in comparison to the worlds best). Someone up the top of this page said the ridiculous, 'The dream is coming true'. Fuck that. To me the dream was already realized in Korea, just lacking a foreign element. This isn't even close to a dream. This is just typical flawed Western eSports model repeating its mistakes. | ||
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ProbeRusher
United States86 Posts
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
I'm a little curious about how much audience are the sponsors of these 100k+ leagues going to be satisfied with. Is it enough if just the gamer population watches it online or does it eventually need to go mainstream to satisfy them. They are obviously ventures that believe in the growth and potential of esports. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 24 2011 07:49 infinity2k9 wrote: So your points are just one big SUPPORT ESPORTS. Whats the point of even discussion besides 'This will be great! eSports!!!!!' when any opinions are just met with constant defence? Nothing about this IGN thing so far seems to have an interest for me. As for it's relation to eSports, it's a big prize pool but we've all seen in the past big prize pools don't necessarily lead to a stable scene. We need teams with salaries, not massive prizes all going to the same people. The Romero Ferrari example is a great choice of comparison. Let's say IGN sponsored a team, got them a practice house and paid for their travel to play in tournaments around the world while making big articles about their home team. That would be something. But this? 150k that helps nothing but the top 3 players (and competed for by a lot of mediocre players in comparison to the worlds best). Someone up the top of this page said the ridiculous, 'The dream is coming true'. Fuck that. To me the dream was already realized in Korea, just lacking a foreign element. This isn't even close to a dream. This is just typical flawed Western eSports model repeating its mistakes. Except when they are getting tons of people tuning in to watch these games and companies realize, hey paying for advertising during this sc2 league is a really good idea. When you get someone as big as IGN behind something it is cause for great excitement. They provide a platform that sc2 in NA hasn't seen yet. It is going to help bring in other companies for advertising and they could even become team sponsors. This is how things start. And why are so many people shitting on NA players? Their are some great NA players, including the ones linked to this IGN pro league. They will give us great games and I have little doubt about it. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On March 24 2011 07:49 infinity2k9 wrote: So your points are just one big SUPPORT ESPORTS. Whats the point of even discussion besides 'This will be great! eSports!!!!!' when any opinions are just met with constant defence? Nothing about this IGN thing so far seems to have an interest for me. As for it's relation to eSports, it's a big prize pool but we've all seen in the past big prize pools don't necessarily lead to a stable scene. We need teams with salaries, not massive prizes all going to the same people. The Romero Ferrari example is a great choice of comparison. Let's say IGN sponsored a team, got them a practice house and paid for their travel to play in tournaments around the world while making big articles about their home team. That would be something. But this? 150k that helps nothing but the top 3 players (and competed for by a lot of mediocre players in comparison to the worlds best). Someone up the top of this page said the ridiculous, 'The dream is coming true'. Fuck that. To me the dream was already realized in Korea, just lacking a foreign element. This isn't even close to a dream. This is just typical flawed Western eSports model repeating its mistakes. If this dream is already realized for you in Korea, you're dreaming awfully small. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Just my opinion anyway you're entitled to be excited if you have high hopes but i'm just trying to be realistic here. On March 24 2011 08:05 chobopeon wrote: If this dream is already realized for you in Korea, you're dreaming awfully small. You must be one of the crazy people like the guy who thought that American Football downtime would lead to somehow more SC2 viewers right? BW got 100,000 people live at a Proleague final in it's peak. If that's dreaming small then i got no idea wtf you are thinking this is going to turn into. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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H20
Canada4 Posts
On March 24 2011 07:53 legaton wrote: So much money for so little talent... Financial back-up and a smooth already working organization are huge assets for a sports league, but at the end of the day, you are going to need to deliver a good show. If the league really is NA only, with those 16 players, i doubt the quality is going to be huge. Frankly, they could have just streamed a bunch of ladder games for 0 dollars and you would have had the sames names and the same games. When I first started watching Starcraft (I'm relatively new to the scene) I thought players like Kiwikaki and CatZ were the best of the best. This is actually a great set up to attract many new viewers, people who aren't hardcore SC fans yet. After this, if they enjoy this tournament, they will come on sites like this one and learn more about the community and the players in Korea. This is the audience IGN is catering to, these are the majority of the people who browse IGN. Not to mention the impact of having many larger tournaments could have on the NA players, they could train harder and dedicate much more time to improving their game as it will become a more and more viable option for income. Lastly, this is a startup, sure the players may seem unimpressive now, but imagine when they get all the kinks worked out. Then they can have higher caliber players come into a tournament that has amazing quality. You have to start small, trying to take on too much will lead to failure more often then not. Give this whole idea a chance. (This isn't directed specifically at you, Just to all the people who have taken a pessimistic view to this league.) | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On March 24 2011 08:11 infinity2k9 wrote: You must be one of the crazy people like the guy who thought that American Football downtime would lead to somehow more SC2 viewers right? BW got 100,000 people live at a Proleague final in it's peak. If that's dreaming small then i got no idea wtf you are thinking this is going to turn into. Brood War was and is great. This is a new game and, overall, it has taken over as torch bearer for e-sports. The current state of SC2 in Korea is not the dream at all, not for me. In my opinion, it's just a start. I have no idea what you're talking about with the football strike meaning more SC2 viewers but no, I don't think that. | ||
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