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niteblaze
Profile Joined August 2010
United States143 Posts
March 23 2011 18:19 GMT
#461
On March 23 2011 08:35 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 08:32 hmunkey wrote:
Too many leagues now. These companies should get together and sponsor a larger league or multiple seasons of one, but having 3+ major leagues is a bit silly.

I can't really think of one legitimate sport that has leagues upon leagues.


lol BW? Proleague, MSL, OSL, and there used to be GOM.


Uhm...Soccer? >.>
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
March 23 2011 18:21 GMT
#462
On March 24 2011 02:15 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 01:53 deth2munkies wrote:
This has me nervous. I think what we need right now is 1-2 big American leagues to get things started, and perhaps branch out later. If we start with a plurality of leagues, it will become a fad and burn out very quickly.

That's my biggest fear too. North Americans have the attention span of goldfish. So many fads are born and die in the blink of an eye (WWE, UFC, Poker etc.)

I'm not American, and not interested in any of these, but they died out?
I thought WWE has gone on for decades.
oGm`REM
Profile Joined March 2011
United States870 Posts
March 23 2011 18:24 GMT
#463
Sounds awesome! Another big league :D
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chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 23 2011 18:29 GMT
#464
besides the number 150k, I'm pretty uninterested in this

Good for north american progamers I guess.
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tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
March 23 2011 18:31 GMT
#465
Sounds cool, except for the fact that IGN is most likely going to place their own "know-nothing bronzies" as casters in the league. Hope they can get legitimate figures placed in the league and gel with the community instead of fracturing the community for their benefit
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 18:36:24
March 23 2011 18:33 GMT
#466
On March 24 2011 03:31 tehemperorer wrote:
Sounds cool, except for the fact that IGN is most likely going to place their own "know-nothing bronzies" as casters in the league. Hope they can get legitimate figures placed in the league and gel with the community instead of fracturing the community for their benefit



seeing HD in the picture you're probably right ( sorrry HD fans! )

the impression I"m getting from this is IGN is hosting a huge tournament and don't even care about the rest of the world.. or know of not sure
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hydra21
Profile Joined November 2010
94 Posts
March 23 2011 18:36 GMT
#467
On March 24 2011 03:21 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 02:15 DoomsVille wrote:
On March 24 2011 01:53 deth2munkies wrote:
This has me nervous. I think what we need right now is 1-2 big American leagues to get things started, and perhaps branch out later. If we start with a plurality of leagues, it will become a fad and burn out very quickly.

That's my biggest fear too. North Americans have the attention span of goldfish. So many fads are born and die in the blink of an eye (WWE, UFC, Poker etc.)

I'm not American, and not interested in any of these, but they died out?
I thought WWE has gone on for decades.


To clarify, not one thing he named died out...
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 18:45:58
March 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#468
On March 24 2011 03:12 hydra21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 02:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
Don't want to be a bitch, but most of those players (with few exceptions) do not deserve such a high prize pool for the amount of efforts to put in the game....I mean, is the list even remotely serious?
The NASL looks a lot more interesting, done by a bunch of people who actually knows the community.

That IGN league made entirely of NA players is a joke.


IGN is a NA company and the players they selected are the top players in NA. Sure not every top player was included but don't try to diminish the talent of the players that were. To grow esports in America, American players have to be involved or it will never work for a long list of reasons.


But what does it matter when its only the same 16 people every time?
I mean honestly, take and leave a few but this is ridiculous.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
March 23 2011 18:42 GMT
#469
People are underestimating the production capabilities IGN has. It's not gonna be just another tournament.
/commercial
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
March 23 2011 18:44 GMT
#470
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).
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hydra21
Profile Joined November 2010
94 Posts
March 23 2011 18:48 GMT
#471
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote:
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).


Couldn't have said it better myself.
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
March 23 2011 18:51 GMT
#472
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote:
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).


Ungrateful fucks? It's just opinions, I doubt criticism has ever hurt a cause more than helped it.
There are always improvements to be made, and we don't even have all the information either but we can only work with what's been given us.

Chillout!
Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
March 23 2011 18:55 GMT
#473
I'm curious if they are going to try and get one of the IGN editors involved in the casting, as maybe the third wheel, between two known commentators.

I guess in general i'm really curious how they are going to present the games, I can only imagine very solid production though. IGN's video team is top class now a days.

What do you think djWheat?
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
March 23 2011 18:59 GMT
#474
On March 24 2011 03:12 hydra21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 02:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
Don't want to be a bitch, but most of those players (with few exceptions) do not deserve such a high prize pool for the amount of efforts to put in the game....I mean, is the list even remotely serious?
The NASL looks a lot more interesting, done by a bunch of people who actually knows the community.

That IGN league made entirely of NA players is a joke.


IGN is a NA company and the players they selected are the top players in NA. Sure not every top player was included but don't try to diminish the talent of the players that were. To grow esports in America, American players have to be involved or it will never work for a long list of reasons.


Select is technically Korean and most of the best ''American'' players are in fact Canadians.

I sure can voice my lack of interest in the league. I don't see the problem in doing that.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
March 23 2011 19:03 GMT
#475
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote:
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).


They've seen Hd in pictures. They've read NA players only. For any European players or fans, that's a blow. For any fan of Starcraft it's a blow. For any Korean fan it's a blow.

Ungrateful for what? It's not because of the fact that some richer investors wants to dump money in Esports that we have to be okay with their choices. We are the people. You listen to what we say, or we don't buy your shit.

I really don't like your discourse, my dude. Not at all.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 19:06:20
March 23 2011 19:03 GMT
#476
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote:
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).



It's great that IGN is hosting a big tournament like this, but honestly it doesn't really even seem like they know much of anything going on in the SC2 world right now.

I'll admit that's a pretty bold assumption to make, but with how much money is on the line and the players that were invited? I don't know... I'm sure as time goes on it will change though.


edit: also I don't understand this "american" only argument for e-sports to grow. I've honestly asked the question to numerous friends/family of mine who haven't watched a Sc2 game in their life and I don't get the impression that it has to be american only for them to watch.

NA is without a doubt the continent displaying the least amount of talent. It's a fact, not an opinion
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
.Carnage
Profile Joined August 2010
United States99 Posts
March 23 2011 19:10 GMT
#477
holycrap, a murdoch backed company with a proleauge? SH*T JUST GOT REAL
He's just not the fastest zergling in the control group. -DayJ
hydra21
Profile Joined November 2010
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 19:16:38
March 23 2011 19:15 GMT
#478
On March 24 2011 04:03 chonkyfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote:
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).



It's great that IGN is hosting a big tournament like this, but honestly it doesn't really even seem like they know much of anything going on in the SC2 world right now.

I'll admit that's a pretty bold assumption to make, but with how much money is on the line and the players that were invited? I don't know... I'm sure as time goes on it will change though.


edit: also I don't understand this "american" only argument for e-sports to grow. I've honestly asked the question to numerous friends/family of mine who haven't watched a Sc2 game in their life and I don't get the impression that it has to be american only for them to watch.

NA is without a doubt the continent displaying the least amount of talent. It's a fact, not an opinion


You realize the best way to monetize starcraft and grow it as an esport is through corporate sponsors and advertising and not through an online subscription service, right? And you realize there's a plethora of problems when the market you are trying to sell ad space for is a bunch of random people across the planet, right?

Here's an example for one... Dr.Pepper is a sponsor of MLG. Do you think they care remotely about spending money so people from Croatia see their ads? Absolutely not because it's not a target market and they probably don't even have the infrastructure to sell there.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 23 2011 19:19 GMT
#479
On March 24 2011 03:51 HeIios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote:
Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts".

I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH".

Look at everything 6 months later.

Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet.

Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that).


Ungrateful fucks? It's just opinions, I doubt criticism has ever hurt a cause more than helped it.
There are always improvements to be made, and we don't even have all the information either but we can only work with what's been given us.

Chillout!


The useless banter that has absolutely no value does hurt because people start jumping on that bandwagon. Want an example? Look at when kelly was announced as a caster, about 98% jumped on her without ever hearing a cast, and more and more people start growing hatred towards it.

What WHEAT could be saying is that, yes it is IGN, and yes they are going to cater to a non playing audience, but believe it or not, a tournament that may sound like pants on head retardation in terms of commentary and casting, might be BETTER for starcraft 2. Why should IGN, the biggest FUCKING gaming website on earth, cater only to a hardcore audience like the ~30,000 people on teamliquid when they could be catering to an audience of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and maybe just 10% of those start to come to TL or start to follow youtube commentaries, or start watching a NASL and TSL.

Why bitch about it? Just because you don't like the owner of the company who probably could give two fucks less about starcraft 2, he's not going to be doing jack shit but signing his name on a document saying that its a go.

Theres utterly useless banter, and then theres constructive criticism, and i'd say about 25% of the negative comments here are constructive.
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chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 23 2011 19:24 GMT
#480
On March 24 2011 04:15 hydra21 wrote:

You realize the best way to monetize starcraft and grow it as an esport is through corporate sponsors and advertising and not through an online subscription service, right? And you realize there's a plethora of problems when the market you are trying to sell ad space for is a bunch of random people across the planet, right?

Here's an example for one... Dr.Pepper is a sponsor of MLG. Do you think they care remotely about spending money so people from Croatia see their ads? Absolutely not because it's not a target market and they probably don't even have the infrastructure to sell there.



Yeah I understand.

But let's use the NA players only to grow the NA esports scene argument here.

By this logic, why is anybody from Germany, UK, France, Holland or Sweden going to watch this tournament?

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