EPTOn March 23 2011 08:35 setzer wrote:
lol BW? Proleague, MSL, OSL, and there used to be GOM.
lol BW? Proleague, MSL, OSL, and there used to be GOM.
Uhm...Soccer? >.>
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niteblaze
United States143 Posts
Uhm...Soccer? >.> | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On March 24 2011 02:15 DoomsVille wrote: That's my biggest fear too. North Americans have the attention span of goldfish. So many fads are born and die in the blink of an eye (WWE, UFC, Poker etc.) I'm not American, and not interested in any of these, but they died out? I thought WWE has gone on for decades. | ||
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oGm`REM
United States870 Posts
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
Good for north american progamers I guess. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:31 tehemperorer wrote: Sounds cool, except for the fact that IGN is most likely going to place their own "know-nothing bronzies" as casters in the league. Hope they can get legitimate figures placed in the league and gel with the community instead of fracturing the community for their benefit seeing HD in the picture you're probably right ( sorrry HD fans!  ) the impression I"m getting from this is IGN is hosting a huge tournament and don't even care about the rest of the world.. or know of not sure | ||
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hydra21
94 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:21 Redmark wrote: I'm not American, and not interested in any of these, but they died out? I thought WWE has gone on for decades. To clarify, not one thing he named died out... | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:12 hydra21 wrote: IGN is a NA company and the players they selected are the top players in NA. Sure not every top player was included but don't try to diminish the talent of the players that were. To grow esports in America, American players have to be involved or it will never work for a long list of reasons. But what does it matter when its only the same 16 people every time? I mean honestly, take and leave a few but this is ridiculous. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH". Look at everything 6 months later. Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet. Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that). | ||
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hydra21
94 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote: Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts". I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH". Look at everything 6 months later. Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet. Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that). Couldn't have said it better myself. | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote: Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts". I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH". Look at everything 6 months later. Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet. Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that). Ungrateful fucks? It's just opinions, I doubt criticism has ever hurt a cause more than helped it. There are always improvements to be made, and we don't even have all the information either but we can only work with what's been given us. Chillout! | ||
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
I guess in general i'm really curious how they are going to present the games, I can only imagine very solid production though. IGN's video team is top class now a days. What do you think djWheat? | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:12 hydra21 wrote: IGN is a NA company and the players they selected are the top players in NA. Sure not every top player was included but don't try to diminish the talent of the players that were. To grow esports in America, American players have to be involved or it will never work for a long list of reasons. Select is technically Korean and most of the best ''American'' players are in fact Canadians. I sure can voice my lack of interest in the league. I don't see the problem in doing that. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote: Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts". I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH". Look at everything 6 months later. Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet. Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that). They've seen Hd in pictures. They've read NA players only. For any European players or fans, that's a blow. For any fan of Starcraft it's a blow. For any Korean fan it's a blow. Ungrateful for what? It's not because of the fact that some richer investors wants to dump money in Esports that we have to be okay with their choices. We are the people. You listen to what we say, or we don't buy your shit. I really don't like your discourse, my dude. Not at all. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:44 djWHEAT wrote: Amazing how much people fill in unknown information with their own pessimistic "facts". I see TL'ers supporting smaller community efforts blindly, yet when a "big boy" enters the fray, it's almost immediately ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. I know I'm generalizing quite a few of the posts, but I feel like I'm reading the GOMtv GSL Season 1 thread again. Where everyone was like, "THIS IS GONNA FAIL, I WON"T PAY BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHH". Look at everything 6 months later. Guys, companies are willing to put money into expanding this industry. I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on something when they don't even know what it is yet. Don't be a bunch of ungrateful fucks (for those who are being exactly that). It's great that IGN is hosting a big tournament like this, but honestly it doesn't really even seem like they know much of anything going on in the SC2 world right now. I'll admit that's a pretty bold assumption to make, but with how much money is on the line and the players that were invited? I don't know... I'm sure as time goes on it will change though. edit: also I don't understand this "american" only argument for e-sports to grow. I've honestly asked the question to numerous friends/family of mine who haven't watched a Sc2 game in their life and I don't get the impression that it has to be american only for them to watch. NA is without a doubt the continent displaying the least amount of talent. It's a fact, not an opinion | ||
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.Carnage
United States99 Posts
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hydra21
94 Posts
On March 24 2011 04:03 chonkyfire wrote: It's great that IGN is hosting a big tournament like this, but honestly it doesn't really even seem like they know much of anything going on in the SC2 world right now. I'll admit that's a pretty bold assumption to make, but with how much money is on the line and the players that were invited? I don't know... I'm sure as time goes on it will change though. edit: also I don't understand this "american" only argument for e-sports to grow. I've honestly asked the question to numerous friends/family of mine who haven't watched a Sc2 game in their life and I don't get the impression that it has to be american only for them to watch. NA is without a doubt the continent displaying the least amount of talent. It's a fact, not an opinion You realize the best way to monetize starcraft and grow it as an esport is through corporate sponsors and advertising and not through an online subscription service, right? And you realize there's a plethora of problems when the market you are trying to sell ad space for is a bunch of random people across the planet, right? Here's an example for one... Dr.Pepper is a sponsor of MLG. Do you think they care remotely about spending money so people from Croatia see their ads? Absolutely not because it's not a target market and they probably don't even have the infrastructure to sell there. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:51 HeIios wrote: Ungrateful fucks? It's just opinions, I doubt criticism has ever hurt a cause more than helped it. There are always improvements to be made, and we don't even have all the information either but we can only work with what's been given us. Chillout! The useless banter that has absolutely no value does hurt because people start jumping on that bandwagon. Want an example? Look at when kelly was announced as a caster, about 98% jumped on her without ever hearing a cast, and more and more people start growing hatred towards it. What WHEAT could be saying is that, yes it is IGN, and yes they are going to cater to a non playing audience, but believe it or not, a tournament that may sound like pants on head retardation in terms of commentary and casting, might be BETTER for starcraft 2. Why should IGN, the biggest FUCKING gaming website on earth, cater only to a hardcore audience like the ~30,000 people on teamliquid when they could be catering to an audience of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and maybe just 10% of those start to come to TL or start to follow youtube commentaries, or start watching a NASL and TSL. Why bitch about it? Just because you don't like the owner of the company who probably could give two fucks less about starcraft 2, he's not going to be doing jack shit but signing his name on a document saying that its a go. Theres utterly useless banter, and then theres constructive criticism, and i'd say about 25% of the negative comments here are constructive. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 24 2011 04:15 hydra21 wrote: You realize the best way to monetize starcraft and grow it as an esport is through corporate sponsors and advertising and not through an online subscription service, right? And you realize there's a plethora of problems when the market you are trying to sell ad space for is a bunch of random people across the planet, right? Here's an example for one... Dr.Pepper is a sponsor of MLG. Do you think they care remotely about spending money so people from Croatia see their ads? Absolutely not because it's not a target market and they probably don't even have the infrastructure to sell there. Yeah I understand. But let's use the NA players only to grow the NA esports scene argument here. By this logic, why is anybody from Germany, UK, France, Holland or Sweden going to watch this tournament? | ||
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