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On February 26 2011 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
Didn't Blizzard give broadcasting rights to GOM tv for $1 to use SC2 in their tournaments and make money off of it?
They're not looking for money here, they just want companies to recognize that it's their product.
exactly, and if im not mistaken its 1 cent for people in korea to host there own tournaments of sc bw/sc2/wc3 ect aswell. it was never about the money. infact if you read prior TL articles it showed Kespa offered more money then what was asked for by Blizzard and GomTV, with control still being entirely Kespa. Blaming Blizzard for Kespa's clear wrong doing and now mbc/ogn's lawsuit issue is kind of rediculous. It was never about money, the entire ordeal was about getting companies like OGN/MBC/Kespa to respect Blizzards IP rights.
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Damn so samsung wants to end WCG but doesn't want it to be their fault. awesome. never buying samsung. why does kespa try to ruin everything if they can't control it?
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what happens if blizzard decides to change their mind about wanting $1 and start asking for more?
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No SC? And they're hosting in Korea?
Well, i think every single SC fan in Korea is about to pick a side, if they haven't already.
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On February 26 2011 06:05 IamAnton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
Didn't Blizzard give broadcasting rights to GOM tv for $1 to use SC2 in their tournaments and make money off of it?
They're not looking for money here, they just want companies to recognize that it's their product. exactly, and if im not mistaking its 1 cent for people in korea to host there own tournaments of sc bw/sc2/wc3 ect aswell. it was never about the money. infact if you read prior TL articles it showed Kespa offered more money then what was asked for by Blizzard and GomTV, with control still being entirely Kespa. Blaming Blizzard for Kespa's clear wrong doing and now mbc/ogn's lawsuit issue is kind of rediculous. It was never about money, the entire ordeal was about getting companies like OGN/MBC/Kespa to respect Blizzards IP rights.
it's about this
[4] "Transition to StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty :
Organizer will use its best efforts to make smooth transition from Starcraft I to Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty and its expansions("Starcraft2") and to make smooth transition of professional players from Starcraft 1 to Starcraft 2 from the time Starcraft 2 becomes available for play." was the original English on that article
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188322
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yea who'd want a transition from SC1 to SC2 AFTER the IP rights violation. Blizzard has alot more control over SC2 via Having to play online. Really you can blame Kespa for there being no LAN in the first place for SC2.
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On February 26 2011 06:18 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 06:05 IamAnton wrote:On February 26 2011 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
Didn't Blizzard give broadcasting rights to GOM tv for $1 to use SC2 in their tournaments and make money off of it?
They're not looking for money here, they just want companies to recognize that it's their product. exactly, and if im not mistaking its 1 cent for people in korea to host there own tournaments of sc bw/sc2/wc3 ect aswell. it was never about the money. infact if you read prior TL articles it showed Kespa offered more money then what was asked for by Blizzard and GomTV, with control still being entirely Kespa. Blaming Blizzard for Kespa's clear wrong doing and now mbc/ogn's lawsuit issue is kind of rediculous. It was never about money, the entire ordeal was about getting companies like OGN/MBC/Kespa to respect Blizzards IP rights. it's about this Show nested quote +[4] "Transition to StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty :
Organizer will use its best efforts to make smooth transition from Starcraft I to Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty and its expansions("Starcraft2") and to make smooth transition of professional players from Starcraft 1 to Starcraft 2 from the time Starcraft 2 becomes available for play." was the original English on that article http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188322
That was put out there after the case started and was the contract with GOM not Kespa. The court case is based on Kespa controling Blizzards game and charging for tournaments and what not. Basically making money with Blizzard's product, they don't deny this. The Soccer ball analogy was thrown around. Although IMO it is quite different, since a soccer ball manufacturer wipes theirs hands clean of the product once is it packaged away, while Blizzard maintains servers/updates/support etc. Among other things.
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I guess it was a bit naïve to assume that Blizzard's intransigence wouldn't have consequences outside of the Korean BW scene. This is a real shame though. I was hoping for all three games...
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On February 26 2011 06:05 IamAnton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
Didn't Blizzard give broadcasting rights to GOM tv for $1 to use SC2 in their tournaments and make money off of it?
They're not looking for money here, they just want companies to recognize that it's their product. exactly, and if im not mistaken its 1 cent for people in korea to host there own tournaments of sc bw/sc2/wc3 ect aswell. it was never about the money. infact if you read prior TL articles it showed Kespa offered more money then what was asked for by Blizzard and GomTV, with control still being entirely Kespa. Blaming Blizzard for Kespa's clear wrong doing and now mbc/ogn's lawsuit issue is kind of rediculous. It was never about money, the entire ordeal was about getting companies like OGN/MBC/Kespa to respect Blizzards IP rights.
If you follow the issue correctly, you wouldn't be so fast to blame kespa. Hosting tournament is 1 cent, but broadcasting it is some ridiculous amount of money that will put Kespa and the broadcasting station into deficit. That is why they couldn't agree on the term. If it's that easy like you guys said, then we wouldn't be in this mess.
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On February 26 2011 06:49 Nukid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 06:05 IamAnton wrote:On February 26 2011 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
Didn't Blizzard give broadcasting rights to GOM tv for $1 to use SC2 in their tournaments and make money off of it?
They're not looking for money here, they just want companies to recognize that it's their product. exactly, and if im not mistaken its 1 cent for people in korea to host there own tournaments of sc bw/sc2/wc3 ect aswell. it was never about the money. infact if you read prior TL articles it showed Kespa offered more money then what was asked for by Blizzard and GomTV, with control still being entirely Kespa. Blaming Blizzard for Kespa's clear wrong doing and now mbc/ogn's lawsuit issue is kind of rediculous. It was never about money, the entire ordeal was about getting companies like OGN/MBC/Kespa to respect Blizzards IP rights. If you follow the issue correctly, you wouldn't be so fast to blame kespa. Hosting tournament is 1 cent, but broadcasting it is some ridiculous amount of money that will put Kespa and the broadcasting station into deficit. That is why they couldn't agree on the term. If it's that easy like you guys said, then we wouldn't be in this mess.
To add to that, if broadcasters pay the said amount, the one who holds the rights (GOM) can charge bigger after the 1st contract ends. Lets say 300,000,000 won for the 1st year, if OGN/MBC accepted these terms, by the next year or upon the end of the current contract, GOM can charge them a way lot more for broadcasting SC1 thus making it harder for OGN/MBC to broadcast SC1 and ultimately destroy the scene altogether.
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just wanna add that that samsung is kinda umbrella
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Why you all say it's about respecting blizzard rights ? They respect their rights. But Blizzard doesn't respect the IP rights of the map creators, they don't respect the rights of players and organisations that make this tourneys and produce this games(shows). Blizzard want from KESPA to switch to SC2, they are not about any sc ip rights they are about taking it over. Blizzard sold the rights to gom for $1 becouse blizzard want greetech to represent them in korean court to fights against ogn/mbc. I'm sure blizzard don't want SC:BW in WCG but only SC2. Anyway, I respect blizzard but they are realy just too much into getting money for other people's efforts... Nothing is wrong if they host their own blizzard tournaments and leagues and broadcast them. But they should not try take over the control of what others have done in the pass years just becouse they made the game.
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Childish and sad, but Starcraft doesn't need WCG that much anymore.
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This isn't really as important as it used to be. Obviously I would love to see Blizz games in WCG, but the recent development of other major tournaments that foreigners can compete in mean that WCG isn't the only major tournament for us anymore.
I still hope they figure something out.
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urgh.. I don't even want to watch WCG with the exception of counterstrike if blizzard doesn't get in.
Pretty ugly turn out
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On February 26 2011 06:53 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 06:49 Nukid wrote:On February 26 2011 06:05 IamAnton wrote:On February 26 2011 05:54 Whitewing wrote:
Didn't Blizzard give broadcasting rights to GOM tv for $1 to use SC2 in their tournaments and make money off of it?
They're not looking for money here, they just want companies to recognize that it's their product. exactly, and if im not mistaken its 1 cent for people in korea to host there own tournaments of sc bw/sc2/wc3 ect aswell. it was never about the money. infact if you read prior TL articles it showed Kespa offered more money then what was asked for by Blizzard and GomTV, with control still being entirely Kespa. Blaming Blizzard for Kespa's clear wrong doing and now mbc/ogn's lawsuit issue is kind of rediculous. It was never about money, the entire ordeal was about getting companies like OGN/MBC/Kespa to respect Blizzards IP rights. If you follow the issue correctly, you wouldn't be so fast to blame kespa. Hosting tournament is 1 cent, but broadcasting it is some ridiculous amount of money that will put Kespa and the broadcasting station into deficit. That is why they couldn't agree on the term. If it's that easy like you guys said, then we wouldn't be in this mess. To add to that, if broadcasters pay the said amount, the one who holds the rights (GOM) can charge bigger after the 1st contract ends. Lets say 300,000,000 won for the 1st year, if OGN/MBC accepted these terms, by the next year or upon the end of the current contract, GOM can charge them a way lot more for broadcasting SC1 thus making it harder for OGN/MBC to broadcast SC1 and ultimately destroy the scene altogether.
While the general idea behind it is right, the argument being made here is part stupid, part intense paranoia. There's a massive difference between being CAPABLE of doing something, and it being a good decision at all to do something.
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Good luck getting people to attend/notice WCG without blizzard games.
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This doesn't even hurt Blizzard in the slightest.
Also can anyone tell me which company is bigger? IMG or Samsung?
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Won't this be counter productive from WCG's part, blizzard games is really popular in Asia so they gonna lose a lot of viewers and support.
I still don't know why people still blaming blizzard about this, even though sc2 is up that doesn't mean BW doesn't belong to them anymore.
Anyways I want to see Blizzard response to this, they probably say "care cup is empty c[_]"
They should hold blizzard cup the same date as WCG
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On February 26 2011 01:28 SolidusR wrote:
Putting a conflict before business is unprofessional and foolish. I'm sure Samsung really "socked it" to Blizzard and all, but I won't be watching a crappy event with no good games in it and I'm sure many other people won't bother either. I hope decreased revenue and relevancy is worth their little potshot, but I don't see how they think there's any future in e-sports without Blizzard games being involved.
Yeah man, Samsung is totally hurt not having to spend millions of dollars for an e-sports event when their main business is consumer electronics. Hate to break it to you but outside of a handful of Blizzard fanboys, no one is going to stop buying/using Samsung products because of this.
On February 26 2011 02:01 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 22:05 aupstar wrote:
Why should Samsung pay blizzard to advertise their games?
Sounds a bit ridiculous to me... Because that's how the law and the real world works. You know why Apple has to pay to use a singer's song in their Ipod advertisment? Or why the tv commercials rarely put any products with a name other than their own? the same reason why kespa and samsung needs to pay blizzard. "But they are advertising your song in their advertisment too!" is an argument that was never accepted by law or by any means.
People need to stop with analogies. That is not strictly how the "law and the real world works"--these things aren't just a one-way street. For example, Riot Games is a sponsor of WCG so that League of Legends is played there.
On February 26 2011 04:34 bovi wrote:
cant believe ppl are wondering why samsung is doing this. btw didnt samsung hand over WCG to microsoft couple of years ago?
Microsoft was a sponsor of WCG for a few years and then they stopped. Presumably because they don't give a shit about PC games anymore.
On February 26 2011 05:37 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 02:47 Energizer wrote:
Do you ever see the developers of Counter-strike going after major corporations for fees and claiming IP rights? Yes, Valve in fact does charge for IP rights/fees for the use of their games. So do the companies that make fighting games.
Outside of Blizzard and Valve, I've never heard of any company require fees to use their games. Source for Namco Bandai, Capcom, and Arc System Works charging for using their games in tournaments.
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