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You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that.
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Good luck to the NASL, like any tournament I watch I'm just hoping to see good games regardless of the hype the tournament gets or it's prize pool.
Maybe some of this criticism is a case of reaping what Incontrol sows, always quick to criticise casters, tournaments and production values of others in the SC community.
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3 hours of content every day sounds a bit overkill, gonna be hard to watch everything, though that isnt neccessarily needed. Only thing I can think of thats less than optimal about this tourney. I take it the production value will go up a bit, removing the delay that occured in the showmatch.
Sounds really exiting, love that InControl and Gretorp are the main casters. Does anyone know for sure whether or not InControl himself is gonna play?
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I wonder what will the game times be. Hopefully not in the middle of the night for europeans, like most of the us content there is.
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On February 22 2011 20:35 Grettin wrote:
I wonder what will the game times be. Hopefully not in the middle of the night for europeans, like most of the us content there is.
It is gonna be early for Europeans, but in the FAQ of the website they said they would restream it in the evening European time.
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Good luck Guys!
one note about your rules, seems a little silly
..every player is supposed to be backed by a $250 refundable fee. Essentially what it is, is every time they're rude or they're late or any kind of unforeseeable problems occur they'll be penalized $25 or $50 and that comes out of the refundable fee of course. But most people, hopefully all, will be completely and immaculately fine and will get that $250 back. But the idea is to make them accountable.
I say silly because A) seems a player can come out -$250 for taking part to the event, where does the money go? and who is judge jury on this issue? also if a player is in top4 and set to get $25,000 then breaking the rules and losing $25 is hardly going to deter him at that stage.
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When will this be on ESPN?
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On February 22 2011 15:46 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
I really don't get the tournament format with 50 players getting whittled down to 15 I dont really understand how that will work. Wondering if maybe start with a bigger invite pool or still 50 and then open up more open tournament spots so maybe people who were restricted by not being on a team or too many teammates can qualify in and have a rounder number than 50. IDK it's hard to say for sure without knowing the format though cuz they could do something different like a league but that's REALLY hard to organize players to play eachother at specific times and cause a lot of hassle to support staff.
Just seems weird to have 50 invites and only one person gets in via the open slot idk seems better to open that up a bit more seeing as with the prize pool that open tour would be stacked and a lot of people will have to be turned away or it will just be way too big.
I both agree and disagree.
I think 50 players invited for the round-robin portion is just about perfect: 10 players per league means 9 head-to-head matches which is an idea I do like, and only having 5 divisions seems very appropriate given what we know so far of the format (for example, but not limited to, the fact that they're broadcasting 5 nights a week, meaning they can broadcast one entire division each night if they so choose, which would simplify keeping track of the standings in the different divisions).
But I do definitely agree with your point on how the open tournament should play a bigger role in filling out the final tournament slots. Plenty of ways that could be accomplished even maintaining the # of weeks and size of the final field, but this is their project so they have every right to disagree that that would be the best way to go 
I like that they are limiting the amount of players from each team, at least in the opening season, though. That ensures that they aren't over-representing one group over another based on their own opinions of how good these guys are. It also means that some very good players will likely be in the Open tournament aside from the non-qualifying players of the round robin portion of the tournament.
At any rate, this is great news and it will surely be entertaining to watch!
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If the voting doesn't matter, why does nasl.tv say that it increases the player's chances to be invited?
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On February 22 2011 20:37 aka_star wrote:Good luck Guys! one note about your rules, seems a little silly Show nested quote +
..every player is supposed to be backed by a $250 refundable fee. Essentially what it is, is every time they're rude or they're late or any kind of unforeseeable problems occur they'll be penalized $25 or $50 and that comes out of the refundable fee of course. But most people, hopefully all, will be completely and immaculately fine and will get that $250 back. But the idea is to make them accountable.
I say silly because A) seems a player can come out -$250 for taking part to the event, where does the money go? and who is judge jury on this issue? also if a player is in top4 and set to get $25,000 then breaking the rules and losing $25 is hardly going to deter him at that stage.
any league has some kind of ruleset and admins, so they will decide.
this league is based on a regular tv show calendar, so thats probably something they learned from the gosucoaching PL where they had some delays in clanwars, cause players played in other tournaments parallel. you cant afford those delays and downtimes in the casts in this concept, so to make all players be damn serious about there NASL commitment they go an charge the players the only thing some of them care about (money) for being unprofessional in certain cases.
any players who signs in will know that beforehand, so there is nothing more easy to just avoid getting penalized or just not to sign in at all. i think its a good way to handle such things.
your top4 example is somewhat stupid, cause they of course wont have rules like "you are allowed to maphack, but this costs 25 dollars". it looks like this are just penalties to ensure a smooth working match shedule. i guess as a player you cant do something to get a significant advantage by just sacking 25 dollars out of your refundable fee.
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get a sponsor for each division ^^ like Intel Division, Razer Division etc and then sponsor for finals xD gogo money xD
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On February 22 2011 20:41 zoislk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 15:46 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
I really don't get the tournament format with 50 players getting whittled down to 15 I dont really understand how that will work. Wondering if maybe start with a bigger invite pool or still 50 and then open up more open tournament spots so maybe people who were restricted by not being on a team or too many teammates can qualify in and have a rounder number than 50. IDK it's hard to say for sure without knowing the format though cuz they could do something different like a league but that's REALLY hard to organize players to play eachother at specific times and cause a lot of hassle to support staff.
Just seems weird to have 50 invites and only one person gets in via the open slot idk seems better to open that up a bit more seeing as with the prize pool that open tour would be stacked and a lot of people will have to be turned away or it will just be way too big. I both agree and disagree. I think 50 players invited for the round-robin portion is just about perfect: 10 players per league means 9 head-to-head matches which is an idea I do like, and only having 5 divisions seems very appropriate given what we know so far of the format (for example, but not limited to, the fact that they're broadcasting 5 nights a week, meaning they can broadcast one entire division each night if they so choose, which would simplify keeping track of the standings in the different divisions). But I do definitely agree with your point on how the open tournament should play a bigger role in filling out the final tournament slots. Plenty of ways that could be accomplished even maintaining the # of weeks and size of the final field, but this is their project so they have every right to disagree that that would be the best way to go I like that they are limiting the amount of players from each team, at least in the opening season, though. That ensures that they aren't over-representing one group over another based on their own opinions of how good these guys are. It also means that some very good players will likely be in the Open tournament aside from the non-qualifying players of the round robin portion of the tournament. At any rate, this is great news and it will surely be entertaining to watch!
50 players = 5 Groups with 10 players, top 3 advance I guess
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1 minor problem I have with the group stage into RO16 bracket. Ideally you would want the top players from each group to meet in later stages of the tournament. 5 groups into RO16 bracket will have (with ideal seedings) at least 1 RO8 "top group player" clash. With 4 or 8 groups you can eliminate this problem. With 4 groups they can meet at semi-finals or with 8 groups they meet at RO8.
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Make it:
6 Groups with 8 player
Top 2 from each 8 player group advance
6 determined from open tournaments
= 16 player LAN
for the next league
The 6 worst player from the groups fall out
The 6 winners of the open get in
EDIT: Hmm just realised the numbers don't add up But you get the idea!
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I hope you wont get shit from the refund thing.
Anyhow this is the greatest thing yet that happened for humankind.
edit : I'd hate you for making OSL look cheap !
edit 2 : Oh please make a space suits special.
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First of all: Great news for SC2 e-sports and good luck with NASL.tv!
My feedback:
1. One of the things that wanted me to buy the premium pack was when I heard you will release replays. However I understand your argument that if one person on internet get hands on the replays everyone will So I can't actually argue and say "please reconsider" since I don't have a solution for the replay being all over the internet problem.
2. The "korean cap" is not a good thing. By doing that you admit that NASL is second to GSL. You should have the qualifiers be open for everyone. After all, NASL shouldn't be about europeans/americans/mexicans/australians or whatever. It should attract the best SC2 players else people will always consider this just to be a second class tourney opposed to GSL which will always been the crown jewel.
3. Instead of having a korean cap, you should have invites where you can use your voting system amongst others to invite players. Players like Idra/Jinro/Huk/TLO will qualify anyway. They don't need to be voted in. The voting should be amongst the people that can't qualify.
4. You need to have a caster of the caliber as Day9. Artosis and Tasteless I believe attract many viewers. Gretorp is not on par with those and by watching the showmatch yesterday I was quite dissapointed of the casting, not the synchproblems I want to add. Gretorp doesn't connect with the viewers nearly as good as other casters. Anyways, this is just a personal opinion.
Point 2 and 3 are the ones that concerns me the most.
Good luck with NASL!
EDIT 1: I know that the korean cap wasn't set in stone but by just having a cap I think brings down the name of NASL to a second class tourney.
EDIT 2: If the "korean cap" will be 5 or whatever god I hope korea will bring an all-star team that will roflstomp everyone Take the prize money and go back to GSL
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Everyone should really read all the info available before posting. They have said its 5 divisions of which top 2 advance. Then 5 players from playoffs (not specified yet) and 1 player from open tournament.
I would guess the playoffs include all or some of the players of the initial 50 invited excluding the top 2 of each division. Surely more detailed rules will come soon
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I'll support the NASL because it's a growth in eSports in the west, especially if it does well enough to cause more leagues to pop-up or get more exposure so the baby-steps can be taken to match Korea vs the West.
The only thing I don't like is the vote-in system, I can understand why they are doing it and it's a cool idea and I support it! But I think it should be 12 slots with 4 open tournaments to hit the 16, only 1 open tournament doesn't seem fair/nice/cool :/
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On February 22 2011 20:38 TheBanana wrote:
When will this be on ESPN?
As someone who writes for ESPN and has spoken to some other ESPN employees in the know, I wouldn't bet on it -- not for a long time. Right now, they barely cover gaming at all and even still most of that is Madden.
E-sports need to prove that they can draw in a lot of viewers and help the sponsors turn a profit before ESPN will consider getting involved.
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On February 22 2011 20:48 coddan wrote:
If the voting doesn't matter, why does nasl.tv say that it increases the player's chances to be invited?
*sigh* Really? Are you a troll like so many others?
The voting is a PART of the process, it doesn't guarantee a person gets in or doesn't get into the tournament. The organizers will look at the list and take the list standings into consideration but it's not like the list is the only consideration when it comes to inviting players. So in that regard it does increase a player's chance of getting invited, but only to a point. The list is mostly a way for the community/viewers to feel like they are participating and is a fun thing. I personally have enjoyed casting my votes and leaving comments. Do I realize that who I vote for may not get in? Yeah, but at least my voice has been heard.
Lot of you guys need to stop making issues out of nothing and arguing for the sake of arguing. Some of you have good posts with good points but some, like the above, are nothing but a waste of space.
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