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aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
February 22 2011 09:47 GMT
#461
I wonder if it would be possible to participate in both GSL and NASL due to time zone differences.

If so, I'd love to see IM make a presence ... hehehe. They as a team really impressed me in the team league.
Gr33d
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany423 Posts
February 22 2011 09:51 GMT
#462
Whats up with this Zerker guy? I don't know him but ofc he can still be a very strong player but every refresh he gets 8-10 votes while other players barely get them. Smells like somekind of script.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
February 22 2011 09:52 GMT
#463
Wont the 5player per team rule plus that you split up players from same team possibly mess up the seeding procedure and trying to make balanced groups?

I dont know, I've never heard players/teams request group/bracket layouts to avoid team kills. Seems like a natural thing which happens every now and then, no big deal. And if team kills would be made possible due to seeding, the 5player per team rule gets kind of unnecessary.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 09:54:14
February 22 2011 09:53 GMT
#464
On February 22 2011 18:51 Gr33d wrote:
Whats up with this Zerker guy? I don't know him but ofc he can still be a very strong player but every refresh he gets 8-10 votes while other players barely get them. Smells like somekind of script.


It probably is
Every e-sports event with a community voting aspect I can think of has been ruined by bot voting
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
February 22 2011 09:54 GMT
#465
I read the interview but not this whole thread, so sorry if this has been answered:

- Who sponsors this event? 400,000$ is a huge sum.
- What's with the player voting process and how does it influence who gets to play? Is the group phase basically an invitational based on voting popularity?
- What's the purpose of the 5 players per team rule? Doesn't that exclude some great players from the big teams, for example Haypro?
- What's the prize distribution? How much does the first place finisher get?

Great announcement, I hope the league turns out well.
svperstar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden60 Posts
February 22 2011 09:54 GMT
#466
Sounds awesome, don't let the whiners get you down. Just work a little on the production and it will be awesome!
Pcl.Busted
Profile Joined February 2011
United States17 Posts
February 22 2011 09:55 GMT
#467
On February 22 2011 18:32 mufin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 17:38 Pcl.Busted wrote:
On February 22 2011 16:36 mufin wrote:
On February 22 2011 15:43 Pcl.Busted wrote:
On February 22 2011 15:21 mufin wrote:
On February 22 2011 14:05 IamAnton wrote:
"Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max." LOL

that would be such a terrible idea... Let the best players in the world compete plz..


Yea and what happens when 30+ koreans decide to move over and take over the top 16 of the tournament. You now have a north american tournament filled with all korean players. Does that sound like a good way to get western esports on the right track?

People want to watch players they can connect with; players that share their same culture and language. The league's purpose is to create the competitive environment needed for the west to catch up to the korean scene, not to determine who the best korean is.

Think of it as just one giant TSL tournament.


Thats called incentive, if the South Korean's are the best in the world then they are the best in the world and everyone else is just gonna have to get better. If not then its no better then male and female tournaments. The best should be aloud to compete no matter their race, sex or nationality. Sounds like you want easy mode.


you fail to see the bigger picture. Do you really think from a business stand point that the NASL would have more success with koreans occupying the top 16 spots? It would just be GSL, but with different casters. If I wanted to watch GSL I would watch GSL.

To put it into perspective, say my friend recommended me to watch the NASL. Would I be more likely to keep watching if I saw players that spoke my language and shared my culture or if I saw players that needed to be paired with a translator at all times? Theirs a reason why koreans have less fans in the western world then foreign players and its certainly not because foreigners are the better players.

Simply put, if NASL wants to grow, it has to cater to its audience. Just like GSL caters to foreigners (code A seeds, housing, etc...) because they know thats what their viewership wants to see. Its just good business, sorry.


I really like to think that the Starcraft 2 community is better then that. We aren't a group of racist cultural elitists. We play Starcraft 2 for the comradery we have with our Starcraft 2 brothers. Culture, language, sex, and country of origin shouldn't be factors in Starcraft 2 tournaments, those things really don't matter. We all play Starcraft 2 because we all love Starcraft 2. Maybe I'm naive and idealistic but shouldn't we put our brotherhood as Starcraft 2 players above greed and set an example for the rest of our world. Many of the smartest most logical people on the planet are a part of this community. Why can't we look past culture and creed or better yet learn about each others cultures(look at Team Liquid and OGS). We aren't Americans, Asians, Europeans or anything else we are Starcraft 2 players.


meh I don't feel its racist at all. It just goes to show that we are all human and we can't look at everything objectively all the time. Don't get me wrong, I watched the gsl since season 1 and not only did I have blast, I also learned a hell of a lot about korean culture. But on the other hand, I also watched foreign events such as MLG and ESL and I feel its just a better experience when you can identify with the players through their tone of voice and body language. It gives a sense of belonging rather than feeling like an outsider looking through the glass of a translator.

In the future, I believe the community will cheer for players representing their nationality just as they would in the Olympics. Unfortunately for now, the sc2 scene is summed up as koreans vs everyone else. When the western scene gets more established, I feel that "everyone else" is going to be further divided amongst the different nationalities and the diversity of the community will start to play a bigger part.




Those arguments seem more rational, I guess I like the best possible competition over anything else but your points are also valid.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
February 22 2011 10:08 GMT
#468
I cannot wait for this to launch, this is so huge, thanks Incontrol, Russ, and all the others for making this happen
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 10:12:57
February 22 2011 10:10 GMT
#469
On February 22 2011 15:21 mufin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 14:05 IamAnton wrote:
"Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max." LOL

that would be such a terrible idea... Let the best players in the world compete plz..


Yea and what happens when 30+ koreans decide to move over and take over the top 16 of the tournament. You now have a north american tournament filled with all korean players. Does that sound like a good way to get western esports on the right track?

People want to watch players they can connect with; players that share their same culture and language. The league's purpose is to create the competitive environment needed for the west to catch up to the korean scene, not to determine who the best korean is.

Think of it as just one giant TSL tournament.


Then it's the same as feamale gaming.
"We can't compete so we get our own leagues where we can win"
Who watches that? No one

Koreans being good is a terrible argument against them being allowed to play

Same deal with teams. The best players should play, regardless of what team they're on. Who wants to watch a worse player because he's on a different team?
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
February 22 2011 10:12 GMT
#470
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
February 22 2011 10:16 GMT
#471
On February 22 2011 19:12 The KY wrote:
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.

I want a non Jtv stream so us Europeans with 30 mbit connections can actually enjoy the livestream without lag.
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
February 22 2011 10:18 GMT
#472
On February 22 2011 19:12 The KY wrote:
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.


So are you and Ive worked in TV production for 8 years
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theBusiness
Profile Joined August 2010
United States13 Posts
February 22 2011 10:21 GMT
#473
I live in Korea and I get to watch GSL games in HD for free, and the VODs for free. For VODs there is just a minute of commericals before the game and there are just commercials in between games when I watch live. Seems like a much better model to me compared to having to pay for it...
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
February 22 2011 10:21 GMT
#474
On February 22 2011 19:16 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 19:12 The KY wrote:
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.

I want a non Jtv stream so us Europeans with 30 mbit connections can actually enjoy the livestream without lag.

I got no problems with jtv.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
February 22 2011 10:23 GMT
#475
I hope they broadcast it GSL stuff, like hairdos before, the live audience and booths!
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omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
February 22 2011 10:24 GMT
#476
On February 22 2011 16:36 betaV1.25 wrote:
If i understand it correctly, start of the league we will have 50 players, and the final 16 will be in a sort of lan. All of this will be casted live.


With this much money on the line, i dont see how they are gonna stop people from cheating while playing. Isnt it 2 easy to watch the stream and play at the same time?


Justin.tv has stated that they are implementing a delay on the stream so someone watching the stream will be 5-10 minutes behind what is actually happening ingame.
THIS NEEDS FACE!
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 10:26:44
February 22 2011 10:26 GMT
#477
On February 22 2011 19:21 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 19:16 Nizaris wrote:
On February 22 2011 19:12 The KY wrote:
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.

I want a non Jtv stream so us Europeans with 30 mbit connections can actually enjoy the livestream without lag.

I got no problems with jtv.

i'm glad you don't. Plenty of ppl do. I was getting less then 1 frame per second with 20k viewers for yday's showmatch.

Oh well illegal restreams ftw i guess.....
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
February 22 2011 10:26 GMT
#478
On February 22 2011 11:06 ReachTheSky wrote:
This is a north american starleague.......can't we just keep this to north americans? ><


yeah man! very entertaining league you got there!!

Idra, tyler, hmm who else? come on don't you want to see the best players in the world? maybe you also hate GSL for letting foreigners in their league... it's in Korea so it should only be played by koreans.. that's so stupid..

polularity contest was to let every famous player in so that they wouldn't be acused of helping out..
same with the 5 players per clan rule imo

It shouldn't be 6 TL, 7 EG, 7 root, 8 mouz, 8 fnatic what would be the fun in that?

i can't understand why a major league like this, that we can see really tried to branch out to everyone is being so attacked and questioned.. This is good news for us..

All we got to do is watch the games if we want to.. it's not like they are asking us for money! You care or you don't care but no one should bash the effort and dedication for the game that these guys have..

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Barett
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada454 Posts
February 22 2011 10:27 GMT
#479
On February 22 2011 19:12 The KY wrote:
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.


I could not agree more. I just hope the production improves (Which it will) and they cast everything live. It was too obvious that they were casting from replays for the Clash of the Titans and it made it alot less exciting. They were off alot of the time on the timing.

I'm super excited for this! The first couple seasons will probably be not the best, just like the GSL. But having a Star League in the US is a huge deal. Not to mention LA, the West Coast. You get mad support from me!
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eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 10:32:47
February 22 2011 10:29 GMT
#480
On February 22 2011 19:12 The KY wrote:
I can't believe anyone thought this was underwhelming...what more did you want? An exact carbon copy of the GSL? Tip; if you wanna watch the GSL, just watch the GSL.

It's an online tournament until the last 16, where it's a LAN. Obviously because in Korea, it's alright to do a month long LAN because all the progamers live in the same place. Anyone who can't see a problem with doing that in America didn't think for more than 3 seconds.

As for the casters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the fact is that anyone who disagrees that Inc and Gretorp are awesome is wrong. That's right, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.

The only thing lifting this above any other community project that has been shown thus far is the prize pool. The big number at the end. That's it.

It should be alright for people to be skeptical until we see more. Until production is at least on par with the often criticized GLHF.tv for instance. Until it becomes clear that the structure is as well thought out as the TSL. Until there is more to look at than a single HTML page. Until it's evident that someone is actually checking pre recorded footage for errors before broadcasting.
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