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Awesome work, guys. Can't wait for the tournament to start, and I'm sure production kinks will get worked out. Good luck and thanks for putting this together.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned but it sounds like the reason teammates dont play against each other is so incontrol doesn't have to play against machine early in a tourney again 
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On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that.
You put it better than I could
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I was kind of hoping for a Team League. Something like the Korean BW league.. well.. maybe later? :/
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Awesome! Can't wait for for more details and for this to start!
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Great news. I'm really looking forward to the start of this epic tournament =)
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Geoff, if there was an award for biggest contribution to western esports, you, Andre, Bryce, and Russ just won it... 
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On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that.
I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting.
The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall.
I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap
I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast.
Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways.
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only 5 players for a team?
Liquid:
Huk
Tyler (Nony)
TheLittleOne
HayprO
Jinro
Ret
Will be a hard choice
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On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways.
It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term.
And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.-
Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag.
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You have to remember there were alot of viewers, but yeah, there was a little lag, nothing that hurt us tho
On a sidenote, not sure if this has been asked yet - how can people who dont make the top 50, get into the leagues? Does anyone know if there is going to be a cut off from the bottom of the leagues etc? and then others chosen on a qualifier etc?
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On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag.
I was watching in 720p with zero lag, there was no problem.
The sync was off, ok, i'm sure they'll fix that pretty easily.
I feel like people are focusing on the wrong things. It's not about 720p or 1080p, or whether the art was good enough, it's about the games and casting, both of which were great.
It's like buying sc1 and then saying "the graphics suck, this is awful!"
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On February 22 2011 19:56 hadang wrote:
What about the premium pricing ? 20 - 25 $ seems a bit too much compared to the 10 $ of GSL. And GSL has the better players ... and the better casters ... and a stadium for the finals
GSL lasts about 4 weeks and has about 4-6 or 4-10 games a day depending on code A/code S. The NASL will have 9 weeks of group play followed by a 16 man LAN in SoCal and has committed to about 3 hours of content every weekday for those 9 weeks. Since it's a LAN, obviously there's going to be a stadium. Tastetosis were really rusty their first two GSLs or so, give them time to improve. Maybe it's still not worth it to you, but comparing the $20-25 to $10 dollar for dollar is disingenuous.
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On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag.
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/akffaaxhb.jpg)
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On February 22 2011 22:06 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag. I was watching in 720p with zero lag, there was no problem. The sync was off, ok, i'm sure they'll fix that pretty easily. I feel like people are focusing on the wrong things. It's not about 720p or 1080p, or whether the art was good enough, it's about the games and casting, both of which were great. It's like buying sc1 and then saying "the graphics suck, this is awful!"
None cared about 720p or 1080p. Like if that even matters with way too low bit-rates.
Your last argument doesn't make sense either.
And well if you enjoyed the casting... to each his own.
I was incredible turned off by the fact that they pre-recorded themselves casting replays and even kinda tried to hide that fact. On top of that the de-sync completely killed the commentary which was okay but not great either.
I mean I'm gladly looking forward the NASL but that doesn't mean I don't consider this event yesterday a desaster (in terms of expectations).
The casting will be great, no doubt. They're good casters and will just improve. But the overall production quality better won't look anything like yesterday.
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On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag.
quality was perfect. I watched it on 720p without any lags. The event yesterday was as good as it could have been. Unfortunately the organisers can't make sure that for 100% of the people the stream works just fine. But maybe a lot of people don't realise that you can change the resolution on jtv
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On February 22 2011 22:06 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag. I was watching in 720p with zero lag, there was no problem. The sync was off, ok, i'm sure they'll fix that pretty easily. I feel like people are focusing on the wrong things. It's not about 720p or 1080p, or whether the art was good enough, it's about the games and casting, both of which were great. It's like buying sc1 and then saying "the graphics suck, this is awful!"
The point is not about 720p vs 1080p. Obviously, it does not matter that much.
The thing is that the showmatch was not that impressive in terms of production quality (not saying it sucked or anything though), and at some point, looking professional does matter more than the quality of the games when it comes down to finding sponsorship money (and they can influence that, they can't really do so for the games).
About your comparison with SC1: SC1 graphics do "suck" by today's standards, but would one say that the quality of the production surrounding them sucks? Hardly.
Now, as for the site, I kinda disagree with the original quoted post, I think it looks pretty OK.
On a sidenote: about lags, although this is mainly a North American event, Europeans do have a hard time watching JTV without lags or anything (not all of us, but a large part).
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On February 22 2011 22:14 Markus138 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag. quality was perfect. I watched it on 720p without any lags. The event yesterday was as good as it could have been. Unfortunately the organisers can't make sure that for 100% of the people the stream works just fine. But maybe a lot of people don't realise that you can change the resolution on jtv
Or maybe their stream is shit. Just because a couple ppl had it workin fine doesn't mean anything. I was getting less then 1 frame per second. Pathetic to say the least.... Especially when my internet can handle 50x their crappy bitrate.
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On February 22 2011 22:16 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:14 Markus138 wrote:On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag. quality was perfect. I watched it on 720p without any lags. The event yesterday was as good as it could have been. Unfortunately the organisers can't make sure that for 100% of the people the stream works just fine. But maybe a lot of people don't realise that you can change the resolution on jtv Or maybe their stream is shit. Just because a couple ppl had it workin fine doesn't mean anything. I was getting less then 1 frame per second. Pathetic to say the least.... Especially when my internet can handle 50x their crappy bitrate.
I would venture to saay the majority of people were able to watch the stream with no problems. However we have no polling figures (like Day9 did when he switched, 97% lag free) so speculation is useless.
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On February 22 2011 22:16 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:14 Markus138 wrote:On February 22 2011 22:02 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 22 2011 21:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On February 22 2011 20:29 cuppatea wrote:
You only get one chance to make a first impression and everything about that impression (the showmatch) was completely amateurish.
It would have been far better to announce a $390k tournament on a professional looking website, using a professional quality stream, rather than do the whole thing on the cheap and make people instantly question whether you guys have what it takes to pull something like this off.
At the very least, with weeks to prepare for this thing, you should have hired a competent artist to design some quality graphics for overlays and whatnot, rather than making them yourselves in mspaint and thinking "oh well, it'll do."
I'd like to have seen SOMETHING to prove your competency before handing over money to a bunch of guys with no track record of running major tournaments and the showmatch completely failed to provide that. I thought it was awesome, everything from the art to the casting. The ONLY problem was the sync, but that doesnt really matter because it's easy to fix and was obviously not their fault, i mean it was the first time afterall. I mean think about it, 20,000 people from all around the world are watching matches between 2 people in korea, casted by 2 people in california, along with live interviews from korea streamed online for free. And then you call it "cheap"? You arent paying -anything-, but yet you expect some kind of insane production for a showmatch? You're the one who's cheap I though the art was awesome, the casting was great, the quality was perfect aswell, with zero lag for me atleast. Maybe i'm just not as spoiled as other people, but i thought it was great. I dont watch the tournament for the art or overlays anyways. It may be your own opinion but I honestly can't believe someone considered the show yesterday awesome in every term. And live interviews? LIVE? The onle thing live were all the issues they had -.- Apparently I'm not even sure if you're serious. As you even say the quality was perfect with zero lag. quality was perfect. I watched it on 720p without any lags. The event yesterday was as good as it could have been. Unfortunately the organisers can't make sure that for 100% of the people the stream works just fine. But maybe a lot of people don't realise that you can change the resolution on jtv Or maybe their stream is shit. Just because a couple ppl had it workin fine doesn't mean anything. I was getting less then 1 frame per second. Pathetic to say the least.... Especially when my internet can handle 50x their crappy bitrate.
Seriously, you told us this story 10 times on this thread already. Can you please stop now?
First off all I am from europe, have 8mbit dl and was able to watch it normally on 720p with slight lags a bit later.
Next, it is not always about speed, your internet provider just might be the cause of your problems (together with Jtv).
Third, except for you I have not seen that many people complaining about connection problems in this topic.
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