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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
February 17 2011 19:24 GMT
#141
gj guys, this should help things a bit.
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thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
February 17 2011 19:26 GMT
#142
Thanks guys! This will be so helpful (despite what incontrol says)! :D:D
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Hrwa
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia147 Posts
February 17 2011 19:27 GMT
#143
Excellent idea and elegant solution. Great job!
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
February 17 2011 19:28 GMT
#144
I can tell a lot of thought went in to this. Thanks guys.
Hopefully it works as intended.
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shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
February 17 2011 19:31 GMT
#145
I was sad to see the strat forum devolve into the state that it was. I always regarded TL's strat forum as one of the better ones, and I'm glad a good effort is being put into returning it to a higher standard
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Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
February 17 2011 19:33 GMT
#146
Maybe this will make delving into the strategy forums a little bit more palatable.

Nice going.
BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
February 17 2011 19:44 GMT
#147
Very excited to (hopefully) see some more pro player involvement in the strategy forum.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 17 2011 19:51 GMT
#148
On February 18 2011 03:48 Chill wrote:
I think people are getting too hung up with highlighted posts. They're not meant to be magnets. People shouldn't be scouring the forum searching for highlighted posts. They're just posts that demand attention if you happen to come across them in the normal process of reading the forum.

People want all these features for skipping the entire thread and jumping to highlighted posts, but that's seriously not the intent we had with highlighting users.

Yes that's essentially saying that no one elses posts in the strat forum are worth reading - which is just not true. I dread the day when someone opens a thread saying "only highlighted posters plz". When someone does that I will ban them.
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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
February 17 2011 19:52 GMT
#149
On February 18 2011 03:20 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 01:15 Chill wrote:
On February 18 2011 00:53 JamesSwift wrote:
Awesome addition.

This may not be the place to suggest it, but what are the chances of adding a feature that allows you to either only see highlighted posts in the thread, or skip to the next highlighted post? I find it tedious to wade through the 90% theorycraft to get to the 2 actual posts in each thread (this is only intended for really large threads obviously, as I'm not too lazy to click through 3 pages to see if anyone noteworthy responded).

The idea is that you just read the strategy forum as usual, and then a highlighted post jumps out at you. The intention isn't that you go around fishing for the highlighted posts.


Like I said before, I don't see why this wouldn't be helpful as well.

Because that would tend to alienate non-highlighted posts, which is definitely something we don't want. There are plenty of intelligent and insightful posts by non-highlighted users. If we have features like that, it would be a huge "screw you" to the people who put plenty of effort into their posts but might get less feedback because their posts are being skipped over. Especially in short threads, where you should be reading the entire thread anyways. The point is to see the progression of discussion of a particular thread, and having a highlighted poster post should only contribute to the discussion, not be definitive be-all and end-all.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
February 17 2011 20:02 GMT
#150
Interresting development.

Is there a way to get highlighted status through other people suggesting you? Like in a poll? Or is it mainly through selection of mods and admins?

Either way, this will be good to experiment with for the TL staff. I hope it works as intended and that more posters will visit the strategy forum since its definitely my favourite forum on here.
BattRoll
Profile Joined August 2010
100 Posts
February 17 2011 20:06 GMT
#151
On February 18 2011 00:30 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 00:20 BattRoll wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:56 zatic wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:45 BattRoll wrote:
This is a terrible idea, elitist attitude. I occasionally post advice in strategy and each strategy post is filled with feedback from different mindsets/users and there's probably thousands of people out there with valid strategy points. Are you going to add them all? By the size and scope of this list, it looks like you're just making a list of well known players and stroking their egos.

No we are only going to add top players. Can you expand on why this is a terrible idea? We are not adding them to stroke their ego but to make it easier for the reader to find meaningful advice.

I have no problem with you tagging people - but why not do it in a more constructive way? Why not link team liquid profiles to the sc2ranks database and show their ladder ranking? And let users search for posts based on this? That way if somebody wants to read master league strategy, they can filter this way. I am certain there are plenty of occasional posters that are highly ranked competitive players - that would not be included on this elitist list and have their opinions discredited by the fact that they aren't on "the list"

We have discussed this, but for one it's technically not feasible, and also we want to avoid that people think they know what they are talking about because they are high diamond. Or that they think their opinion is more worth than someone's a league lower.

If you can name highly ranked players that post in the forum and are not in the list please nominate them in the thread in the Website forum. The list in the OP is meant to grow over time.


I was thinking about this earlier and another solution that (I think) would be better than trying to upkeep some elite player list would just be to simply have a thumbs up/rating system for responses like youtube or yahoo answers. I think that this would probably give more incentive for people to respond to threads in general, as well as let peers review the content. I guess this wouldn't interfere with your current plan to highlight elite users but it could be used to determine who those elite users are based on quality contributions instead of just being a biased popularity contest. I think that given the heavy moderation of this forum, this system would actually work very well.

Anyway, I'm sure you have considered this option and I'm wondering why you chose not to implement it? Or if you are planning on doing it.


Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
February 17 2011 20:07 GMT
#152
Awesome solution. Good work guys.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 17 2011 20:07 GMT
#153
On February 18 2011 05:02 Chaosvuistje wrote:
Interresting development.

Is there a way to get highlighted status through other people suggesting you? Like in a poll? Or is it mainly through selection of mods and admins?

Either way, this will be good to experiment with for the TL staff. I hope it works as intended and that more posters will visit the strategy forum since its definitely my favourite forum on here.

If you read the entire OP, there's a link to a nomination thread where people can nominate others for highlighted status. I'm guessing the mods will regularly check it and see whether the nominations are warranted or not.

Either way, I like this idea. Previously, I'd more or less skim threads but pay more attention to posters who I know give damn good advice. Now it just makes it easier x]
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
February 17 2011 20:15 GMT
#154
On February 18 2011 05:02 Chaosvuistje wrote:
Interresting development.

Is there a way to get highlighted status through other people suggesting you? Like in a poll? Or is it mainly through selection of mods and admins?

Either way, this will be good to experiment with for the TL staff. I hope it works as intended and that more posters will visit the strategy forum since its definitely my favourite forum on here.

Staff will have the final decision over who gets highlighted. You can nominate anyone, of course, to make sure the staff knows about them and keeps an eye out for them.
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
February 17 2011 20:18 GMT
#155
On February 18 2011 05:06 BattRoll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 00:30 zatic wrote:
On February 18 2011 00:20 BattRoll wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:56 zatic wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:45 BattRoll wrote:
This is a terrible idea, elitist attitude. I occasionally post advice in strategy and each strategy post is filled with feedback from different mindsets/users and there's probably thousands of people out there with valid strategy points. Are you going to add them all? By the size and scope of this list, it looks like you're just making a list of well known players and stroking their egos.

No we are only going to add top players. Can you expand on why this is a terrible idea? We are not adding them to stroke their ego but to make it easier for the reader to find meaningful advice.

I have no problem with you tagging people - but why not do it in a more constructive way? Why not link team liquid profiles to the sc2ranks database and show their ladder ranking? And let users search for posts based on this? That way if somebody wants to read master league strategy, they can filter this way. I am certain there are plenty of occasional posters that are highly ranked competitive players - that would not be included on this elitist list and have their opinions discredited by the fact that they aren't on "the list"

We have discussed this, but for one it's technically not feasible, and also we want to avoid that people think they know what they are talking about because they are high diamond. Or that they think their opinion is more worth than someone's a league lower.

If you can name highly ranked players that post in the forum and are not in the list please nominate them in the thread in the Website forum. The list in the OP is meant to grow over time.


I was thinking about this earlier and another solution that (I think) would be better than trying to upkeep some elite player list would just be to simply have a thumbs up/rating system for responses like youtube or yahoo answers. I think that this would probably give more incentive for people to respond to threads in general, as well as let peers review the content. I guess this wouldn't interfere with your current plan to highlight elite users but it could be used to determine who those elite users are based on quality contributions instead of just being a biased popularity contest. I think that given the heavy moderation of this forum, this system would actually work very well.

Anyway, I'm sure you have considered this option and I'm wondering why you chose not to implement it? Or if you are planning on doing it.




I'm member of a forum where they have this system, and it's not useful at all.
Of course it completely depends on the maturity of the community, but in this particular forum, this system ended up inciting the creation of little groups of users who thumbs up themselves, no matter what kind of content they posted, and thumbs down their haters (or people who do not agree with them) just for the sake of doing them bad.


The highlighting system gives more power to the administrators, since they can analyze the posts of nominated users and decide themselves if they are worth of being highlighted or not.

//tx
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
February 17 2011 20:19 GMT
#156
Idra! it's kind of funny to see him on that list but i'm ok with it !

I wonder if we were to do something like this with LR threads? like ZONA for instance... that would make sense :m

ThankS TL! Always glad to see new things, as long as they aren't too new.
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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
February 17 2011 20:23 GMT
#157
On February 18 2011 05:06 BattRoll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 00:30 zatic wrote:
On February 18 2011 00:20 BattRoll wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:56 zatic wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:45 BattRoll wrote:
This is a terrible idea, elitist attitude. I occasionally post advice in strategy and each strategy post is filled with feedback from different mindsets/users and there's probably thousands of people out there with valid strategy points. Are you going to add them all? By the size and scope of this list, it looks like you're just making a list of well known players and stroking their egos.

No we are only going to add top players. Can you expand on why this is a terrible idea? We are not adding them to stroke their ego but to make it easier for the reader to find meaningful advice.

I have no problem with you tagging people - but why not do it in a more constructive way? Why not link team liquid profiles to the sc2ranks database and show their ladder ranking? And let users search for posts based on this? That way if somebody wants to read master league strategy, they can filter this way. I am certain there are plenty of occasional posters that are highly ranked competitive players - that would not be included on this elitist list and have their opinions discredited by the fact that they aren't on "the list"

We have discussed this, but for one it's technically not feasible, and also we want to avoid that people think they know what they are talking about because they are high diamond. Or that they think their opinion is more worth than someone's a league lower.

If you can name highly ranked players that post in the forum and are not in the list please nominate them in the thread in the Website forum. The list in the OP is meant to grow over time.


I was thinking about this earlier and another solution that (I think) would be better than trying to upkeep some elite player list would just be to simply have a thumbs up/rating system for responses like youtube or yahoo answers. I think that this would probably give more incentive for people to respond to threads in general, as well as let peers review the content. I guess this wouldn't interfere with your current plan to highlight elite users but it could be used to determine who those elite users are based on quality contributions instead of just being a biased popularity contest. I think that given the heavy moderation of this forum, this system would actually work very well.

Anyway, I'm sure you have considered this option and I'm wondering why you chose not to implement it? Or if you are planning on doing it.



This would get really messy really quickly, and probably wouldn't lead to the most accurate answers being picked, but rather the answers that appealed to the most people. For example, it could be popular consensus that doing X is the correct response to Y, whereas there could be much better responses that would just tend to get glossed over because the opinions wouldn't be "mainstream."
Also, the system is really open for abuse and difficult to moderate. What happens when people start spamming the "thumbs up" button for a stupidly "entertaining" post? Or posts that contribute nothing to the thread? Basically, letting the masses decide posts they "like" is often times counterproductive when what we want are to highlight posts that are useful.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
February 17 2011 20:23 GMT
#158
I think this is a great idea. Often times really good advice (many from the users listed) gets straight-up ignored and is lost in like 20+ pages of "lolololimba." I don't see the reason for all the hate on Idra really, he's made many great helpful posts...some from when he played BW come to mind.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
February 17 2011 20:29 GMT
#159
On February 18 2011 05:18 Tschis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 05:06 BattRoll wrote:
On February 18 2011 00:30 zatic wrote:
On February 18 2011 00:20 BattRoll wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:56 zatic wrote:
On February 17 2011 23:45 BattRoll wrote:
This is a terrible idea, elitist attitude. I occasionally post advice in strategy and each strategy post is filled with feedback from different mindsets/users and there's probably thousands of people out there with valid strategy points. Are you going to add them all? By the size and scope of this list, it looks like you're just making a list of well known players and stroking their egos.

No we are only going to add top players. Can you expand on why this is a terrible idea? We are not adding them to stroke their ego but to make it easier for the reader to find meaningful advice.

I have no problem with you tagging people - but why not do it in a more constructive way? Why not link team liquid profiles to the sc2ranks database and show their ladder ranking? And let users search for posts based on this? That way if somebody wants to read master league strategy, they can filter this way. I am certain there are plenty of occasional posters that are highly ranked competitive players - that would not be included on this elitist list and have their opinions discredited by the fact that they aren't on "the list"

We have discussed this, but for one it's technically not feasible, and also we want to avoid that people think they know what they are talking about because they are high diamond. Or that they think their opinion is more worth than someone's a league lower.

If you can name highly ranked players that post in the forum and are not in the list please nominate them in the thread in the Website forum. The list in the OP is meant to grow over time.


I was thinking about this earlier and another solution that (I think) would be better than trying to upkeep some elite player list would just be to simply have a thumbs up/rating system for responses like youtube or yahoo answers. I think that this would probably give more incentive for people to respond to threads in general, as well as let peers review the content. I guess this wouldn't interfere with your current plan to highlight elite users but it could be used to determine who those elite users are based on quality contributions instead of just being a biased popularity contest. I think that given the heavy moderation of this forum, this system would actually work very well.

Anyway, I'm sure you have considered this option and I'm wondering why you chose not to implement it? Or if you are planning on doing it.




I'm member of a forum where they have this system, and it's not useful at all.
Of course it completely depends on the maturity of the community, but in this particular forum, this system ended up inciting the creation of little groups of users who thumbs up themselves, no matter what kind of content they posted, and thumbs down their haters (or people who do not agree with them) just for the sake of doing them bad.


The highlighting system gives more power to the administrators, since they can analyze the posts of nominated users and decide themselves if they are worth of being highlighted or not.

//tx

This is exactly why we haven't gone to the thumbs/up down system - it leads to politics and loses usefulness quickly.

It's also why we haven't added the ability to highlight an individual post - it leads to people clamoring "Why the fuck isn't this highlighted?" and "Highlight NOW!" etc. If there's a longterm process, it avoids all these derailing political issues.
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schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
February 17 2011 20:31 GMT
#160
Nice, I like it. I do agree with the keeping the "normal" posters in there as well, you can learn from anything, but some of those threads, ugh. Welcome addition in my book!
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