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All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that?
Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okey becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak behind the backdoor rocks of everyfucking expansion.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap.
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Okay, i dont know but these maps make me want to cry. in a bad way.......
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On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote:
All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that?
Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okei becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap.
So freaking good that it needs to be quoted.
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Fixed an issue that would sometimes cause players to be improperly disconnected from a game.
No more random drops?
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For test map 1, they should keep the cliff change (and the island expo change) but revert the centre to the old lost temple, the middle area in this new map seems too wide open, and it doesn't help that the one xel naga shows the entire center of the map (besides the side paths)
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On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote:
All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that?
Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okey becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak behind the backdoor rocks of everyfucking expansion.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap.
most of the new maps have only one xelnaga tower, some two. but i guess 43572942 comes pretty close to that.
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On February 04 2011 22:39 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote:
All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that?
Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okei becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap. So freaking good that it needs to be quoted.
It's actually a pretty bad post. Embodies the typical sense of entitlement that is so prevalent these days.
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They all appear to be worse than what the community could make given the chance to see our maps on the ladder. They all have some huge flaw from the getgo unless they are far positions only like Shakuras.
I feel like once again it's a case of Blizzard giving us a half assed effort at pleasing us that we'd be ungrateful not to atleast be somewhat thankful for, but so much more could be done than churning out a handful of fundamentally questionable maps and saying "see we're listening!"
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Serious people stop hating on maps you never PLAYED ON.
Remember this?->Lets Play Shakuras Plataeu
Everyone hated Shakuras just from looking at it. Read some of the Crap said in that thread. Know Shakuras is one of the Favorite maps. Also remember the H8 on Xelnaga Caverns for having an open natural and a backdoor to the natural.
People are stupid and like to join the huge bandwagon of Hate without any credible justification.
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On February 04 2011 20:43 Morfildur wrote:
Somehow this discussion reminds me about all the shakuras plateau flaming that occured when that map was added to the ladder pool...
Everyone hated it, now most people favour it...
I'll just sit back and wait how the maps play out. As a Zerg player i see a lot of nice options on each of those maps.
This.
These maps are a million times better than steppes, delta quadrant or blistering sands.
People flame Blizzard for the sake of doing it, it's like whatever they do, the reaction is always the same.
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Xelnaga still has an open natural and most people still only like Shakuras in absolute cross position. And most of the hate came from when we didn't know you couldn't spawn close position, which is still a ghetto solution to making a 2v2 map into a 1v1 and doesn't make the map good from a technical perspective
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On February 04 2011 22:57 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 20:43 Morfildur wrote:
Somehow this discussion reminds me about all the shakuras plateau flaming that occured when that map was added to the ladder pool...
Everyone hated it, now most people favour it...
I'll just sit back and wait how the maps play out. As a Zerg player i see a lot of nice options on each of those maps. This. These maps are a million times better than steppes, delta quadrant or blistering sands. People flame Blizzard for the sake of doing it, it's like whatever they do, the reaction is always the same.
because the maps for sc2 have been very sub par and in some cases terrible.
Also just compare Kespa map making to Blizz map making, and the fact it's not hard for them to get good maps
It's like saying "THANKS BLIZZ OMG YAY CHAT CHANNELS" shit is stupid, blizz is pretty quickly swirling down a porcelain bowl. Yes, you go say thanks for the fact they spent 10 minutes and threw together some poor maps that didn't address any of the complaints.
Most of the people complaining have played destination, python, tau cross, longinus, etc and know what a decent map is. The maps blizzard is making are terrible, uncreative, and will lead to bad games.
They should just give up and copy GSL / user maps.
It's painfully obvious all the talent/passion has left blizzard to arenanet / firefall guys / etc.
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On February 04 2011 22:56 GinDo wrote:Serious people stop hating on maps you never PLAYED ON. Remember this?-> Lets Play Shakuras PlataeuEveryone hated Shakuras just from looking at it. Read some of the Crap said in that thread. Know Shakuras is one of the Favorite maps. Also remember the H8 on Xelnaga Caverns for having an open natural and a backdoor to the natural. People are stupid and like to join the huge bandwagon of Hate without any credible justification.
you are damn right.
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On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote:
All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that?
Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okey becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak behind the backdoor rocks of everyfucking expansion.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap.
Obviously because Blizzard thinks this is the correct move. People are crying for SC1-ish maps on TL, but if you haven't noticed already, Blizzard is catering to the casual gamers. Having casuals play 30 minutes+ games is something they're trying to avoid. They want matches to be short so that they can quickly win and get 12412 points from the bonus pool and get ranked #1 on their division. That'll make 'em stick around.
Adding these maps is obviously an attempt to compromise. I still think they're leaning a lot more towards the casuals, but hey, at least they're trying.
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yay maps, the new LT looks weird, i guess they don't like islands...testmap 4 looks too small in the close positions...
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On February 04 2011 23:11 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 22:56 GinDo wrote:Serious people stop hating on maps you never PLAYED ON. Remember this?-> Lets Play Shakuras PlataeuEveryone hated Shakuras just from looking at it. Read some of the Crap said in that thread. Know Shakuras is one of the Favorite maps. Also remember the H8 on Xelnaga Caverns for having an open natural and a backdoor to the natural. People are stupid and like to join the huge bandwagon of Hate without any credible justification. you are damn right.
just an fyi, shakuras has been in SC2 since beta. It's always been a 2v2 map though they just quickly put it on the 1v1 ladder (instead of putting any effort into 1v1 maps).
Another thing to note is that when reapers where actually good, shakuras had really uneven cliff patterns on the backside of each main by the destructible rocks.
The only reason shakuras turned out okay was most likely an accident as they simply ported a 2v2 map which disallowed close spawn positions. I'm pretty sure blizzard probably didn't even know the close spawn positions was disallowed.
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Well, if they think this is an improvement or what we need then.. they are totally wrong. These maps are a joke.
Natural design just sucks (far away, open, backdoors), thirds are mostly non-existent, close position is terrible (hope they remove that at least).
I can only see map 2 working decently in all positions, all the other maps will at least suck in close position, except for map 4 which just will never ever work cause there is no third! Seriously, how blind is Blizzard?!
Now that GSL and ESL started to use custom maps, I can look back and say that I'm actually glad that Blizzard made all these terrible maps like Steppes, Incineration Zone, Jungle Basin, Delta and so on, so we could see and learn from them what does NOT work.
But please Blizzard, just admit that you for the most part just suck at mapmaking. Making a good map occasionally is no excuse. Especially when you are soo slow to react and in the end we don't really get what we want anyway (and you never explain your decisions!).
I only really want you to change Meta and LT so that you can't spawn close. Then please stop making 1v1 maps for ladder forever. Instead get a system in place so we can play GSL/iCCup maps. Preferably add them to ladder and change the veto system accordingly (+hint+ listen to the last State of the Game) or make custom map hosting not totally stupid and useless (great idea that some random silver league player can get into my game when I try to play iCCup Testbug and the countdown starts immediatly. Game will be a lot of fun this way, right Blizz?!).
Even better: Hire the iCCup Mapmaking Team now. I'm sure they are not that expensive (they would work for you for free if you'd use their maps, I'm sure  ).
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You all forget that Blizzard is a developer that has multiple projects in development and under maintenance at the same time. It is very likely that most of the Starcraft 2 team has been reallocated to working on Diablo 3, WoW, and that Titan project.
Activision Blizzard will never hire the iCCup Map making team. It is their policy to leave tournament planning and map-making up to the community. They will not push E-Sports actively. They will only encourage it.
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I tested the new lost temple. I like it. I like the open middle. I like the back routes through the destructible rocks towards the golds. Both of the naturals connect to them, so it sort of makes for a Shakuras like game (when you spawn on left/right positions on Shakuras).
It definitely feels more comfortable without the cliffs (I'm a zerg).
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