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Rareware
Canada340 Posts
On February 04 2011 22:49 syllogism wrote: It's actually a pretty bad post. Embodies the typical entitlement that is so prevalent these days. I agree I don't see why people feel that raging on Internet forums will go anywhere. Wouldn't Blizzard be more open to listening if people made posts that did not include a bunch of insults? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
1. The changes to Lost Temple's expansions seems great, but I question the decision to change the middle. I'm not so sure it was completely necessary. I kind of enjoyed having the Xelnagas serve as a wall against an opponent that wasn't in the close position. But as a Zerg, it's not like I'm going to start complaining about more open space.  2. This one is eerily similar to Kulas Ravine in that the attack paths are all narrow as hell. "HERE HAVE AN EASY THIRD, THAT'LL MAKE UP FOR IT." But I suppose it could be a fun match to watch for other MUs. 3. Rocks are completely unnecessary and there's a bit too much ground to cover from the main to the natural, but it's tucked in nicely and there's a second ramp you can defend from. Overall, it seems like a decent map. The fighting spaces don't seem too big or too small. 4. So basically, they took the middle part of Steppes, copied it, and stuck them together and called it a map. Good luck taking thirds here. I sure hope you can't spawn close position. 5. MOAR ROCKS. MORE. :/ | ||
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Airfan
Germany73 Posts
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
On February 04 2011 23:44 Rareware wrote: I agree I don't see why people feel that raging on Internet forums will go anywhere. Wouldn't Blizzard be more open to listening if people made posts that did not include a bunch of insults? So you think it never happened? There was a thread in the battle.net forums by some iccup guy (don't remember who exactly opened it). He explained in a mannered way why the current situation of the maps is just bad, but there wasn't ever a blue post. People probably tried to tell Blizzard that their maps suck in a polite way not only once, but it seems that Blizzard doesn't care. | ||
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Healingproof
Sweden81 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
On February 04 2011 23:53 Healingproof wrote: Remove all the terran maps but keep shakuras xpositions, scrapped balance and macrololpolice xpositions.. Well, zerg only won half the GSLs ^^ Make them win all!!! Patch 1.2.2 -Terran Race Removed from the Game. @predy:GSL is pretty confident with their map pool so I doubt they would change it unless Blizzard decides to completely delete their current map pool. | ||
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Croatia7457 Posts
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SubtleArt
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pHelix Equilibria
United States1134 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On February 04 2011 23:49 PredY wrote: crap, so what's gsl gonna do? they just picked new maps and then this happens.. also esl the same thing. I hope both GOMTV and ESL will not be like "oh great, now we have an excuse to use shitty Blizzard maps again, since they are new" but instead go on using custom maps. They (and we) have to realize that we can't wait for Blizzard to start making good maps. If we rely on Blizzard to do stuff, we will only be disappointed. We have to do it ourselves (and Blizzard even said so). Would just be cool if Blizzard would help us with some things (alternative to the ladder). | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On February 05 2011 00:05 Ragoo wrote: I hope both GOMTV and ESL will not be like "oh great, now we have an excuse to use shitty Blizzard maps again, since they are new" but instead go on using custom maps. They (and we) have to realize that we can't wait for Blizzard to start making good maps. If we rely on Blizzard to do stuff, we will only be disappointed. We have to do it ourselves (and Blizzard even said so). Would just be cool if Blizzard would help us with some things (alternative to the ladder). If GOM ditches the new maps they made for these ones I Won't be watching any more GSL tournaments until the fixed it back. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
On February 05 2011 00:09 Integra wrote: If GOM ditches the new maps they made for these ones I Won't be watching any more GSL tournaments until the fixed it back. I forsee a troubled future for GOM and their GSL Map Pool. Unless Blizzard decides to let GOM do what they want to please the fans. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
Here's a couple of complaints people have had: -"Close spawns are so close" - well, for tournament play it's easy to change the maps to not allow close spawns, Shakuras style, and it wouldn't change pretty much anything. As for ladder gaming...well, perhaps it's my protoss bias, but I have never found close positions annoying. If your race (namely Zerg) has problems with close spawns, I count it as problem with your race, not the map(s). -"I hate rock backdoors" - only one of the new maps has them. Other rocks are next to naturals, which I can accept. Another option would be to just take out the rocks and leave an empty corridor there. Is that better? Or perhaps we should leave so there is only one choke and one choke only to both your main and natural? So all in all, I find these maps good. However it may just be because my race Protoss are cheesmasters of this game, and distances are irrevelant to us. I don't do cheese, just pointing out that we have no trouble dealing with that kind of things. Even at short distances. | ||
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gejfsyd
Poland156 Posts
They should let us lader on gsl maps or employ better map-makers | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
On February 04 2011 23:53 Healingproof wrote: Remove all the terran maps but keep shakuras xpositions, scrapped balance and macrololpolice xpositions.. Well, zerg only won half the GSLs ^^ Make them win all!!! Posts like this are completely ignorant. Just because they are macro maps does not automatically make them Zerg favored. Just because YOU have been one basing every game doesn't mean the rest of the terrans haven't figured out how to play the game. Look at statistics on Shakuras and Metalopolis. I assure you they are not heavily skewed towards Zergs. I know a lot of Terran players who actually enjoy macro maps. There also seems to be a lot of people chiming in and yelling "LOLSUCKS BLIZZARD LAWL" without any justification for their claims. Are they just trying to inflate their post counts or is this some bandwagon effect? | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On February 04 2011 20:04 Nayl wrote: Based on the fact that GSL maps have been tested by Gisado Star challenge by semi-pros and has been adjusted. GSL also have dismissed couple maps and has been very careful about picking from the new Gisado map pool. I've seen and tested the GSL maps. Quite terrible imo and I give a lot more respect to blizzards mapmaking then the custom makers while this is only my opinion I think it's shared by many others. Custom makers use all kinds of things like rocks to block xel naga, expands with high gas / no gas and other features that is very premature. Brood war had those things added when the game was pretty much figured out and to start using gimmicks for maps now is so bad. So what if they test the map in Gisado Star challange? Blizzard is testing their maps on the test server so I don't see any issues? Having maps being split across leagues and not being playable on the ladder is not a good thing, it's particularly wrong when blizzard is obviously eyeballing the map issue. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On February 04 2011 23:44 Rareware wrote: I agree I don't see why people feel that raging on Internet forums will go anywhere. Wouldn't Blizzard be more open to listening if people made posts that did not include a bunch of insults? Nothing really seems to work, Blizzard just kinda marches to the beat of their own drum. It's pretty obvious for a long time we haven't been happy with the maps. Their stance was "that's like, your problem" meanwhile both the foreign community and GSL has been making some good maps for a long time, but the endeavor seems almost fruitless since they won't ever make it to ladder. and instead of acknowledge that they are like "okay here's some maps" And the maps aren't completely awful like some that we've been playing since forever, but they still aren't as good as what the community puts out, which we still won't have a good environment to practice them in. It's like they specifically try to keep us happy, but not too happy. | ||
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