EPTOn November 05 2010 03:19 Xtar wrote:
SC2 is doing so bad, Blizzard is getting desperate. Loving it.
SC2 is doing so bad, Blizzard is getting desperate. Loving it.
Oh please. If you really cant say anything more idiotic, just don't post. :D
Blizzard sues OGN - Page 10
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Grettin
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AtTheFuneral
United States137 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
Not a great image builder. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 05 2010 03:33 moopie wrote: I really didn't think they'll go as far as to sue OGN as well. The CJ ownership thing aside, out of the two broadcasters, OGN was far more receptive to Blizzard's demand than MBC. If Blizzard sues them both and this goes down, who do they expect to air SC2 for them? you shit on the broadcasters and indirectly shit on some of the most influential chaebols. Not a great image builder. If there's money in it, they will broadcast it. They, too, like money. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On November 05 2010 01:54 AyJay wrote: Even if you accept the premise of IP enforcement being just, it is impossible to say whether the game is Blizzard property. You see, it is the weak part of IP what determines whether an idea is a combination of old ideas, or a new one with elements of the old. In the first case, it would not be property, in fact Blizzard would be the one violating IP rights(ofthe ideas of the storyline, units, whatever) by making the game in the first place, in the second case they would be the owner.The game itself is Blizzards property All the sound, unit ideas, graphics, engine etc. is made by Blizzard. That's why it's so hard for some people to get google partnership as gamers on youtube, because games don't actually belong to them and they can't make money off it despite doing commentary etc... So what determines whether an idea is new? Solely the political ability to enforce their belief. As an implication of that, any claims similar to HeadStrong that claim fundamental ownership/authorship by Blizzard to exist, are STRICTLY INCORRECT. I repeat, it is STRICTLY impossible to create a theory of Intellectual Property with universal applicability, as such appeals to universality of rules are fallacious. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
Find the cure for cancer, take it of the market because it's my right, it's my cure after all. You can go find your own but it sure can't incorporate anything I discovered, even by chance pretty much! Not the same thing but can't they really just go milk wow with some more 25$ pets, they could even start charging for the best items like all those "free" browser mmo's, good money grubbing idea there. I don't really care aside from the fact that I want my PL and starleagues, sc2 is finally getting watchable but I'm very pessimistic in blizzard doing anything to help bw* if they "win" and I still prefer it by far. *bw's infrastructure >>>>>> sc2 infrastructure atm and I sincerely doubt blizz is going to favor bw. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
Blizzard, you disgust me. | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On November 05 2010 03:50 Amnesia wrote: LOL STARCRA Blizzard, you disgust me. Comments like this don't really do anything for the discussion... | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
looks like my boycotting of blizzard games continues on. sad gl to OGN, i hope this osl succeeds for you | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1413 Posts
 I don't know at all how international laws work. Is anybody could explain what would happen to OGN and MBC if they come to lose and still decide to broadcast? Who's god? Who's the punisher? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 05 2010 00:59 Blobskillz wrote: it's not strange, because OGN and MBC were not charged with fees by KeSPA to air the tournatments until 2007 and that is exactly the point where Blizzard started to take action. And that's nothing abnormal every other company would do the same. You are allowed to share your stuff with others but when you generate a profit off it it's not legal anymore without the proper distribution rights. It's basically the same with computer games. We all bought SC BW but that doesnt mean you own it. You made a contract with Blizzard to use their Software in a NONprofitable way. You can read that in every EULA in every game you try to install on your computer. Isn't it strange to not sue KeSPA then, are they saying they don't have a problem with SC with being broadcast as long as money isn't paid to the entity running the teams for it? It's a pretty weird argument to try and say they honestly did not care till 2007 then suddenly rights became a big issue. That will look bad in court. It will be interesting to see how it goes, i don't believe the IP holder should be able to hold such an influence over a game just because they made it, especially many years after the fact. Should any developer be allowed complete control over competitive play of their game? | ||
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MaDBread
Germany66 Posts
On November 05 2010 03:15 _Quasar_ wrote: I'm so tired of these blizzard characters. I think Starcraft original is a better game that the second one. I have no idea why I could go and play the SC2. This, only practically the same game, with very few innovations? No thx. And these dudes trying to make everyone switch, so the only reason (LOL anyone is playing it, only there i will have with whom to play) to go to sc2 begins to have sense. Its actually the only reason. Starcraft is perfect like the chess. And this new game has no soul.  ( If it had, there would be clear that it wasn't just a copy and contained something new. Unfortunately it doesn't ( And now it looks only like the tool to make money. SC1 never looked so. Yes it may be a LITTLE better in some moments, and contain some of the things that attracted you in SC1 due to being its successor, but for all that - 60$? LOL NO THX.So Blizzard, please go far far away, I'd prefer to never know about your existence, and your shit games. I'm sure that all decent developers can do better games and all your achievements are only because of money that you did receive with going beyond morale (for example with backstabbing the Korean pro scene that earned you SC:BW popularity). So I hope anyone will forget about your games, as WoW i perfectly know begins to annoy people, and there could come no more new players. And I hope other developers do better games so that we can forget about your shit. I'm so disappointed that you got to "own" SC that wasn't made by you, the actual people who do now make all this freaking mess. I hope someday you go far far away. Sorry to tell you this, but SC2 is awesome | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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Savant
United States379 Posts
As a fan I Blizzard's actions are really antagonistic- I consider them the bad guys. Blizzard made a relatively small investment in making Starcraft have profited immensely and then some.... half their sales came from South Korea and the community that developed there the culmination of which is Kespa and proleague, not to mention the even greater amount they're raking in from sc2 as a direct result of bw's popularity. They've had their hand on the rug under esports for a long time and now's the time they decide to pull it out from under all of us... and why? Because Kespa charged broadcasters a few hundred thousand to help offset expenses? Because viewers of proleague weren't being told again and again to thank Blizzard for SC1? Because they really really need the money from getting paid everytime time a tournament is broadcast on Korean TV? Someone at Blizzard's got a huge ego and apparently doesn't like the idea of an independent organization defying them and continuing to popularize sc1 when everyone was supposed to jump for joy and migrate to sc2 upon release. So they're going to push the kill switch they know they've always had and set things right. It's not all about money, it's about control as well, and for those of us too stubborn to be corralled into their new cash cow voluntarily they don't mind taking the gloves off. So yeah, Blizzard has every legal right in the world to fuck us over. That doesn't change the fact that it's fucking us over though. | ||
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Xtar
79 Posts
On November 05 2010 03:23 Grettin wrote: Oh please. If you really cant say anything more idiotic, just don't post. :D I never said SC2 was bad. I don't think it's bad but I won't say what I do think at this is not appreciated and not important to anyone else but myself. But SC2 should have revived esports in Korea. It didn't. Watch the SDM videos. He's right there in the mud and also dislikes Kespa and knows/worked with most people in OGN, MBC, Kespa and Gomtv. | ||
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Simplistik
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gyth
657 Posts
I think if the sum is acceptable, they should buy a license. I think OGN/MBC/Kespa are willing to pay to broadcast. But negotiating with Gretech was taking too long, so they just started and will pay whatever the judge tells them to at the end of this. Thats what I'm hoping for at this point anyway. | ||
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MaDBread
Germany66 Posts
On November 05 2010 04:26 gyth wrote: I think OGN/MBC/Kespa are willing to pay to broadcast. But negotiating with Gretech was taking too long, so they just started and will pay whatever the judge tells them to at the end of this. Thats what I'm hoping for at this point anyway. The real problem is we don't know the amount of cash claimed by Blizz and because of that we can't say who is the Bad Boy. It's all pretty much speculation. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
As stated in the article, OGN had a contract for Korean Air Season 2 and it seems like everything was smooth and a lot of people showed up for OSL than MSL... So what gives? Were they coerced by KeSPA? What caused their drawback? Anyways, Blizzard and GomTV seems like their hands were forced into something they didn't want to happen. Of course you're going to get a lawsuit if you ignore IP rights. It's been that way with every game. I don't like the way KeSPA is putting the entire SC1 scene in jeopardy because of their arrogant beliefs. At least let OGN do its thing. | ||
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
However, what I want to know is how much Blizzard is specifically demanding from KesPa. If I'm not mistaken, KesPA pours all of their (rather meager) profit back into their organization so that they can pay the players, organize more tournaments, keep a channel, etc. If this is true, it seems to me that KesPA may not have the money to pay off the amount of money Blizzard is demanding. In that case, Blizzard suing OGN and MBC seems to be a move meant to throw these companies completely out of the picture, which in my opinion is a rather foolish move. Considering the infrastructure that these companies have already developed, throwing them out of the picture would create huge backlash from both the fans of e-sports in Korea, from the sponsors of the e-sports teams, and from the progamers (who are soon to be out of a job). Blizzard doesn't have the revenue or infrastructure to handle a professional league, and throwing out the established organization would set professional gaming back quite a few paces. Now before you guys spout off facts such as the millions of viewers from Boxer vs. Nada, SC2 isn't going to die, blah blah blah, $80,000 USD prize pool, keep in mind that the GSL players are no longer under contract of KesPA, or for that matter any organization that pays its players salaries. Players without salaries = no professional gaming, and suing the established figureheads OGN/MBC (and the only ones who have the revenue to pay their players since they put their profit back into the system), is a big fuck you to a lot of the possible sponsors in Korea. Telling a company to fuck off is not a good way to get them to support and sponsor you. In my mind, Blizzard shouldn't ask KesPA for an exorbitant amount of money; instead they should ask KesPA for aid in promoting SC2 (something KesPA has not been doing very well, if at all), and in return Blizzard provides support for SC1. Who knows, maybe we may even get a bug fix patch for BW or better replay functions. This action would prove that they believe OSL and GSL can coincide. tl;dr Blizzard has full rights to their creation, but the way they wield their power will hurt professional gaming. | ||
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