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I saw this news last night before going to sleep and its really disappointing. Just when we thought we had BW back.
On November 05 2010 04:39 Waxangel wrote:
Just a reminder, the practical implications of CJ's ownership stakes in OnMedia (the parent company of OGN) and Gretech are still unknown. There has been a lot of speculation, but we have not yet seen an example where CJ's ownership in either company has clearly led to some result.
Hopefully we will see some positive result. Something like what happened with OGN and CJ merging their pro-teams.
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Wow, can't believe OSL might get shut down.
OGN is pretty much screwed as I understand.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
It's so funny. 99% of Korean netizens support Blizzard and disparage KeSPA. 99% of foreigners here support KeSPA and disparage Blizzard.
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On November 05 2010 05:06 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 04:46 Assymptotic wrote:
I mean shit, practicing 12 hours a day, everyday, but only making about $30,000 USD a year if you're not a Jaedong or Bisu? That sucks.
And if you don't make it, you have very little to fall back on since most of these kids don't go to college or anything. If KesPA fell apart, so many kids would be dumped in a rough spot. The same is true for SC2
The same is true for sports, music, academia...
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First MBC, now OGN? ...le sigh.
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On November 04 2010 21:14 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +Paul Sams, Chief Operating Officer of Blizzard, said 'We asked OGN to either acquire the legal right to broadcast or stop the process of the league, but all we got in return was the already planned schedule of new OSL. This only meant that they'd go forward without our consent.' He also said 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs. However, it is more important that we protect our rights, and it's a shame that we have to sort this out in such a way.' Blizzard disgusts me OGN uses Blizzard's game as a medium for their own gain, I see nothing wrong with OGN having to pay royalties to Blizzard. I understand that this came from Blizzard and not a third-party unbiased source, but it certainly doesn't sound like OGN was/is willing to negotiate.
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United States238 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:24 hitthat wrote:
As was said 10000000000 times before even if KeSPA are morons and Blizzard has legal rights to such an actions, that still doesnt mean that they are not greedy S.O.B.s.
Truth to be said, all corporations and entities powered by corporations are greedy. Both KeSPA and ActiBlizzard wants $, and they don't want to lose it.
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On November 05 2010 05:47 orgolove wrote:
It's so funny. 99% of Korean netizens support Blizzard and disparage KeSPA. 99% of foreigners here support KeSPA and disparage Blizzard.
That is quite funny.
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Hey, Blizzard, it's really convenient that you're owned by Activision now because it means that the two biggest dickbag companies in video gaming are really one in the same!
Honestly, Blizzard should grow the fuck up. I hope they not only lose this court case but I hope the Korean courts lay down some super ridiculous ruling on Blizzard too to make them wish they never pursued this path.
Sorry, but, without Blizzard's interference BW could easily continue for another decade, maybe even longer. So they really need to just leave the entire scene alone and go back to making MMOs.
edit: Stop bringing up royalties. OGN, MBC, and KeSPA have all said that while they feel they shouldn't have to pay royalties that they'd be okay with doing so. Blizzard doesn't care about that, they want complete control over the scene.
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On November 05 2010 06:00 0neder wrote:
That is quite funny.
I don't even have any idea what's true and what's not any more TT
None of the sources we have are reliable, it's all propaganda / forumers giving their useless opinions
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really surprises me. i thought they only have legal trouble with mbc.
but i guess it doesnt really matter in the end. either ogn/mbc/kespa/whoever win this case against blizz/gretech at the courts or bw will die in less than 4 months... 
fuck you blizzard, sc2/gsl is getting rolling anyway, see e.g. boxers huge contract offer.
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On November 05 2010 06:02 Redmark wrote:I don't even have any idea what's true and what's not any more TT None of the sources we have are reliable, it's all propaganda / forumers giving their useless opinions
True is that the most people on this site is here to watch good Korean players competing in game which has distinctive micro and positioning and not require HD quality to identify objects in streams and vods.
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On November 05 2010 06:02 Redmark wrote:I don't even have any idea what's true and what's not any more TT None of the sources we have are reliable, it's all propaganda / forumers giving their useless opinions
Frankly, if Koreans really do support Blizzard en masse it's for only two reasons. First, they're used to KeSPA being a bunch of horrible douchebags to their players. Which is why, prior to this, most people on TL didn't like KeSPA. Second, they honestly believe that Blizzard wants Brood War to continue. That Blizzard wants to grow it and keep OGN and MBC playing Brood War.
Brood War is still way more popular than SC2 in South Korea. If South Koreans honestly thought that Blizzard was going to be shutting down or trying to harm the Brood War scene then no one would support them. So I don't now if the South Koreans are simply gullible, if those numbers are totally wrong and people's sentiments are much more divided than we've been hearing, or if Blizzard is reassuring their South Korean fans that they want to keep the BW scene alive while telling us Americans absolutely nothing.
Honestly though, Blizzard's actions do not reflect good intentions of keeping the scene alive. So how anyone could think that Blizzard has Brood War's best interest at heart is completely beyond me. That's why I don't believe this shit about, "most Koreans support Blizzard!"
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Those are VOD downloads, not live viewers.
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This was too confusing for me.
It says that "OGN has acquired the rights" but then "OGN will air OSL without consent".
1. Isn't it enough to acquire the rights? Doesn't that mean green light?
2. How can Blizzard lose something like this? This isn't like football or anything. This is a product made and own by Blizzard and they have the right to their own game, or?
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This rollercoaster knows no bounds.
Blizzard -clearly- does not want to make friends with the Korean media.
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mmmm I guess this was inevitable, but it's still pretty depressing.I don't see how OGN is going to wiggle itself out of this, so hopefully the damage isn't too harsh.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i don't think the situation of kespa being the de-facto licensing body for competitive sc can continue. it does not continue in the non-boring branch of development (blizzard demanding money above profitable operation level for sc broadcasting, tournaments collapse and need to be reorganized under a different structure). that leaves the interesting question of how players are to be organized.
some enterprising guy with legal and labor organization experience might be able to form a union or something to establish some new leagues in cooperation with the sponsor teams.
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I hope this doesn't kill the osl. As badly as blizzard doesn't want bw to live, I'm gonna be pissed if they bring it down like this.
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