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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On November 05 2010 04:35 Assymptotic wrote: In my mind, Blizzard shouldn't ask KesPA for an exorbitant amount of money; instead they should ask KesPA for aid in promoting SC2 (something KesPA has not been doing very well, if at all), and in return Blizzard provides support for SC1. Who knows, maybe we may even get a bug fix patch for BW or better replay functions. This action would prove that they believe OSL and GSL can coincide. If Blizzard and KeSPA did come to an agreement before the launch of SC2 (Blizzard lowering their outrageous demands of having full control over everything, and KeSPA settling on some of their own) then I am certain they could have done some great things for SC2. That said, why would KeSPA be promoting SC2 given the situation that they are in? Blizzard is doing their bury KeSPA, KeSPA has 0 to gain by making SC2 look good at the moment. | ||
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Azalie
New Zealand117 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On November 04 2010 22:40 Borknagarush wrote: And how did they managed to get Boxer, July, Nada, ......MVP, Sangho, Iron and so on? Put some good cash in league and players will come. Pretty Sure that everyone but MVP wasnt a "good" player nowadays in broodwar. just like boxer said he still wants to be a player but in BW he couldnt be on the top anymore. so he jumped in the new "easy" game. where he can still destroy people because they are scrubs. and blizzard is funny.. they also started something against valve because of dota or?? 30k$ a year while u get a house and food for free? shit no that doesnt suck. | ||
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
On November 05 2010 04:40 moopie wrote: If Blizzard and KeSPA did come to an agreement before the launch of SC2 (Blizzard lowering their outrageous demands of having full control over everything, and KeSPA settling on some of their own) then I am certain they could have done some great things for SC2. That said, why would KeSPA be promoting SC2 given the situation that they are in? Blizzard is doing their bury KeSPA, KeSPA has 0 to gain by making SC2 look good at the moment. I'd say what KesPA has to gain is a stronger foothold on the international scene with the blessing of Blizzard. Hell, most of us here know that the west does not look favorably on the idea of professional gaming; breaking that social stigma is something we've been unable to do. KesPA with more international prominence means more popularity and sponsors for them. If something like Verizon or AT&T sponsored KesPA, they'd make more bank than they do, and perhaps our dear progamers will actually make good salaries that reflect their work ethic. I mean shit, practicing 12 hours a day, everyday, but only making about $30,000 USD a year if you're not a Jaedong or Bisu? That sucks. And if you don't make it, you have very little to fall back on since most of these kids don't go to college or anything. If KesPA fell apart, so many kids would be dumped in a rough spot. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On November 05 2010 04:21 Savant wrote: Pretty sure Blizzard's lawyer can present a very convincing case, for reasons already rehashed repeatedly in this thread. I'll let the judges decide, since I'm just sitting on my couch speculating like everyone else in this thread. As a fan I Blizzard's actions are really antagonistic- I consider them the bad guys. Blizzard made a relatively small investment in making Starcraft have profited immensely and then some.... half their sales came from South Korea and the community that developed there the culmination of which is Kespa and proleague, not to mention the even greater amount they're raking in from sc2 as a direct result of bw's popularity. They've had their hand on the rug under esports for a long time and now's the time they decide to pull it out from under all of us... and why? Because Kespa charged broadcasters a few hundred thousand to help offset expenses? Because viewers of proleague weren't being told again and again to thank Blizzard for SC1? Because they really really need the money from getting paid everytime time a tournament is broadcast on Korean TV? Someone at Blizzard's got a huge ego and apparently doesn't like the idea of an independent organization defying them and continuing to popularize sc1 when everyone was supposed to jump for joy and migrate to sc2 upon release. So they're going to push the kill switch they know they've always had and set things right. It's not all about money, it's about control as well, and for those of us too stubborn to be corralled into their new cash cow voluntarily they don't mind taking the gloves off. So yeah, Blizzard has every legal right in the world to fuck us over. That doesn't change the fact that it's fucking us over though. Thanks for making a very well-done post; you took the words right out of my mouth. This sums up everything perfectly so far in this debacle. | ||
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NeVeR
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
30k$ a year while u get a house and food for free? shit no that doesnt suck. I don't know how the standard of living holds in Korea, but here, if I work 72-84 hour weeks within an unstable field where I have to forgo my eduction, with very little prospect of moving up (due to S-class players who stomp me), and only get paid $30,000 with room/meal, I would not be happy. To top it off, most of these progamers don't seem to have much freedom; when was the last time you heard of a progamer with a girlfriend? These guys are at the age where you're just horny as hell. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On November 05 2010 04:46 Assymptotic wrote: I mean shit, practicing 12 hours a day, everyday, but only making about $30,000 USD a year if you're not a Jaedong or Bisu? That sucks. And if you don't make it, you have very little to fall back on since most of these kids don't go to college or anything. If KesPA fell apart, so many kids would be dumped in a rough spot. The same is true for SC2, except at the moment since SC2 is in the dark ages of esports, if you're not a tournament winner (or a former BW bonjwa) you're practicing 12 hours a day and making next to nothing. KeSPA's goal wasn't really to reach the west, they're the Korean e-sports Association. KeSPA has been working on branching to China, which is the only other real country with a BW following (their natural expansion). If KeSPA actually had SC2 under its wing as well, it would probably be different since at the moment SC2 has fans in many countries. However, I'm still not sure that it is a worthwhile investment in infrastructure (and neither is Blizzard, which is why they haven't tried setting up individual/team leagues outside of Korea). Foreign fans tend to migrate towards the best and newest games and for the most part don't stick with a game long enough to form too many professional teams/players (and fans that stick around). This happened in BW as well. The stigma against gaming in the west is something unrelated to both Blizzard and KeSPA and not one that will change in an instant (we'll get there eventually). | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
I don't care if it's not the legally correct side to go with, there's no way in hell I'm supporting Blizzard/Activision/Gretech in this. I'll stay with professional BW until it dies, and am not supporting another product from them until SCII/BW somehow manage to coexist (likely never.) | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:09 So no fek wrote: Hopefully now that OGN is being sued too, MBC will be able to find a sponsor for the MSL. I don't care if it's not the legally correct side to go with, there's no way in hell I'm supporting Blizzard/Activision/Gretech in this. I'll stay with professional BW until it dies, and am not supporting another product from them until SCII/BW somehow manage to coexist (likely never.) MSL is sponsored by PDPOP, another file-sharing organization. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:09 So no fek wrote: Hopefully now that OGN is being sued too, MBC will be able to find a sponsor for the MSL. I don't care if it's not the legally correct side to go with, there's no way in hell I'm supporting Blizzard/Activision/Gretech in this. I'll stay with professional BW until it dies, and am not supporting another product from them until SCII/BW somehow manage to coexist (likely never.) Mmm, MSL already has a new sponsor this '10-'11 season, as in PD Pop MSL. So no worries about that! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:09 So no fek wrote: Hopefully now that OGN is being sued too, MBC will be able to find a sponsor for the MSL. MSL already has a sponsor, its PDPOP. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
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Borknagarush
176 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:00 Assymptotic wrote: I don't know how the standard of living holds in Korea, but here, if I work 72-84 hour weeks within an unstable field where I have to forgo my eduction, with very little prospect of moving up (due to S-class players who stomp me), and only get paid $30,000 with room/meal, I would not be happy. To top it off, most of these progamers don't seem to have much freedom; when was the last time you heard of a progamer with a girlfriend? These guys are at the age where you're just horny as hell. Did you made your arguments by yourself? I would like to remind you that most of progammers are under 18 and 30 grands is fantastic money for a kid. Flash attended school and he also was top progamer. | ||
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dseo80
3 Posts
Since i'm pretty sure you can't copyright the "idea" of a game, just the specific implementation. The only issues would come in the form of patents - but i'm not sure how many of those blizzard has filed for starcraft. | ||
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Borknagarush
176 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:25 dseo80 wrote: If worse comes to worse, couldn't an opensource(or closed i guess) version of a starcraft clone be implemented for the BW pro gaming scene? Since i'm pretty sure you can't copyright the "idea" of a game, just the specific implementation. The only issues would come in the form of patents - but i'm not sure how many of those blizzard has filed for starcraft. Looking at todays gaming industry, such patents do not exist. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:20 krndandaman wrote: funny how blizzard suddenly cares about broadcasting rights years late, especially when starcraft was actually generating good money. many 'funny how' posts...are u the same person? it started in 2007 i think when bc rights were sold. as Blizz stated, they were forced to intervene. i dont think they would do anything if kespa didn't sell their IP. could be nice to have blizz support in e-sports but could be bad as we are seeing here... come on guys. kespa was able to get the scene to higher level but with free money. with free money, any institution can grow big... but in the real world, no such thing as free money | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
moopie already addressed what the K stands for, so I will leave that alone. Several pro gamers have girlfriends and it's their choice with what they do with their lives. Not yours. As much as everyone would like to see a Union form for the players nothing has materialized yet. They choose to accept the working conditions given to them in order to live out their dream. | ||
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