On November 05 2010 01:52 HeaDStrong wrote: Stop talking about reselling. Nothing is being resold here. What they sell is a high level competitive play which if I am not mistaken does not come packed together with the game when you buy it. So it's not Blizzard's property.
The game itself is Blizzards property
All the sound, unit ideas, graphics, engine etc. is made by Blizzard.
But the strategies, maps, execution, replays are really not blizzard's. The progamers and the progaming organization has a share of that also.
Blizzard is just going around suing everyone now.
How about if I took your bread and butter, made sandwich and told you it was mine sandwich because of the work I put into making it.
edit: another great example was said post before me: If a guy uses WoW engine to make add for WoW he is not allowed to sell it or ask donations WITHIN game. Does that make Blizzard greedy bastards? I think not because the guy used tools provided by Blizzard and uses popularity of WoW to make his addon popular.
Hopefully I make sense, my English isn't exactly great
On November 05 2010 02:17 hitthat wrote: Only if this was clearly said in the licence agreement. If not, they can only block using this contain, they actually cannot use it without author's permition. I think.
Not 100% sure, but I think BW eula says you can't make money from the game.
On November 05 2010 02:14 Salv wrote: I haven't been following the Blizzard vs Kespa/OGN debate too closely, mostly because I never watched the Korean proscene to begin with, so I could care less what happens now, but from a legal standpoint, does Blizzard not have every right to do this? I mean, pushing aside whether or not it screws over the fans, and whether or not Blizzard benefited from Kespa making the game so popular, the fact is that Blizzard does own the game, and you cannot broadcast it without their consent no? Or is that the debate going on right now?
IP rights aren't that cut and dry. Yeah Blizzard made the game, but to what extent should that give them control over an entire e-sport? It's arguable that BW as an e-sport is the creation of progamers and the like, and Blizz should have no jurisdiction over that. That's what most of the debate is about.
Paul Sams, Chief Operating Officer of Blizzard, said 'We asked OGN to either acquire the legal right to broadcast or stop the process of the league, but all we got in return was the already planned schedule of new OSL. This only meant that they'd go forward without our consent.' He also said 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs. However, it is more important that we protect our rights, and it's a shame that we have to sort this out in such a way.'
Blizzard disgusts me
I don't see the problem in this except OGN being dumb.
Blizzard says that OGN needs to get a license for their league or they will sue them, and OGN answers with the leagues schedule? OGN sounds like douchebags to me and Blizzard are doing the right thing. You can't hate on Blizzard cause they aren't willing to let people broadcast leagues without permission....
Paul Sams, Chief Operating Officer of Blizzard, said 'We asked OGN to either acquire the legal right to broadcast or stop the process of the league, but all we got in return was the already planned schedule of new OSL. This only meant that they'd go forward without our consent.' He also said 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs. However, it is more important that we protect our rights, and it's a shame that we have to sort this out in such a way.'
Blizzard disgusts me
I don't see the problem in this except OGN being dumb.
Blizzard says that OGN needs to get a license for their league or they will sue them, and OGN answers with the leagues schedule? OGN sounds like douchebags to me and Blizzard are doing the right thing. You can't hate on Blizzard cause they aren't willing to let people broadcast leagues without permission....
OGN successfully got a licensing for Korean Air StarLeague, but didn't renew for any future leagues. OGN forces a new one with a new sponsor. Blizzard goes "LOL WE SUE YOU NOW".
^ Blizzard is a huge corporation making tons of money from mediocre games lately banking on their previous very well made games and a PC game market that has sunken pretty low. OGN probably doesn't have the money to pay Blizzard's ridiculous costs and it's dumb that Blizzard has to squeeze money out of people who are simply promoting their company to begin with as well as their game. Blizzard has become associated only with money and no longer making quality games and listening to the responses of the community.
On November 05 2010 02:30 genai wrote: God i hope they win and stop those poachers and idiots in kespa!
Blizz loves money, nothing around that... but the main issue here is: they are making money by using game blizz made, without paying the licence to do so! blizz has never went after someone who used their stuff without making money (icefrog for example made it sure that people dont send him donations for dota, cause he is not allowed to make money off of dota)
they are not suing progamers and teams who only do what they agreed to when the game is bought: playing it!! they are suing people who get paid for the rights to broadcast it even tho those rights are not their to sell, and those who get sponsor money by broadcasting when they are not allowed to!
(and i like watching bw)
I don't know what world you live in, but if these "poachers" in Kespa were to be stopped, our progamers and teams would cease to exist.
I know... thats why they need to stop being poachers... i never said i want them to be shut down... just wish they would pay what they need to pay and continue with their business so yea, i live on earth... just dont like poachers...
OGN successfully got a licensing for Korean Air StarLeague, but didn't renew for any future leagues. OGN forces a new one with a new sponsor. Blizzard goes "LOL WE SUE YOU NOW".
Article says Blizzard asked to renew license. OGN instead starts new OSL without license.
On November 05 2010 02:45 AtTheFuneral wrote: ^ Blizzard is a huge corporation making tons of money from mediocre games lately banking on their previous very well made games and a PC game market that has sunken pretty low. OGN probably doesn't have the money to pay Blizzard's ridiculous costs and it's dumb that Blizzard has to squeeze money people out of people who are simply promoting their company to begin with as well as their game. Blizzard has become associated only with money and no longer making quality games and listening to the responses of the community.
I don't really play Blizzard games, but it's hard to come to that conclusion considering how wildly popular all their games are especially considering PC market isn't what it used to be. You may not like their games anymore, but few will agree with you.
OGN successfully got a licensing for Korean Air StarLeague, but didn't renew for any future leagues. OGN forces a new one with a new sponsor. Blizzard goes "LOL WE SUE YOU NOW".
ok,the suing them part is stupid and they shouldn't have gone to the extreme,but getting a license is also important,you just can't start the league like that.
I'm not saying Blizzard is right...I'm saying OGN is also wrong.
On November 05 2010 02:45 AtTheFuneral wrote: ^ Blizzard is a huge corporation making tons of money from mediocre games lately banking on their previous very well made games and a PC game market that has sunken pretty low. OGN probably doesn't have the money to pay Blizzard's ridiculous costs and it's dumb that Blizzard has to squeeze money out of people who are simply promoting their company to begin with as well as their game. Blizzard has become associated only with money and no longer making quality games and listening to the responses of the community.
You have no idea what you're saying...not one of any games they made was mediocre and even the SC2 boycotters would say that SC2 isn't bad.
this is too bad, I thought OGN was cooperating for a while there. I would hope there would be a way for these stations to make a little extra profit margin so they could just pay the broadcasting rights per tournament with no problems.. (crosses fingers)
On November 05 2010 02:45 AtTheFuneral wrote: ^ Blizzard is a huge corporation making tons of money from mediocre games lately banking on their previous very well made games and a PC game market that has sunken pretty low. OGN probably doesn't have the money to pay Blizzard's ridiculous costs and it's dumb that Blizzard has to squeeze money people out of people who are simply promoting their company to begin with as well as their game. Blizzard has become associated only with money and no longer making quality games and listening to the responses of the community.
Please do yourself and everyone who reads these a favour and read your post before you post it.
All I could really pull from this was that you have a need to lambaste Blizzard without any reasoning behind your opinion. Please explain your thoughts.
On November 05 2010 02:45 AtTheFuneral wrote: ^ Blizzard is a huge corporation making tons of money from mediocre games lately banking on their previous very well made games and a PC game market that has sunken pretty low. OGN probably doesn't have the money to pay Blizzard's ridiculous costs and it's dumb that Blizzard has to squeeze money people out of people who are simply promoting their company to begin with as well as their game. Blizzard has become associated only with money and no longer making quality games and listening to the responses of the community.
I don't really play Blizzard games, but it's hard to come to that conclusion considering how wildly popular all their games are especially considering PC market isn't what it used to be. You may not like their games anymore, but few will agree with you.
12 Million people paying 15$ every month for WoW
That's like 3-4 Million Starcraft2 copies every month.
OGN successfully got a licensing for Korean Air StarLeague, but didn't renew for any future leagues. OGN forces a new one with a new sponsor. Blizzard goes "LOL WE SUE YOU NOW".
Article says Blizzard asked to renew license. OGN instead starts new OSL without license.
This is Blizzard's and Gretech's side of the story, fyi. The entire article was provided by Blizzard and Gretech.
OGN successfully got a licensing for Korean Air StarLeague, but didn't renew for any future leagues. OGN forces a new one with a new sponsor. Blizzard goes "LOL WE SUE YOU NOW".
Article says Blizzard asked to renew license. OGN instead starts new OSL without license.
This is Blizzard's and Gretech's side of the story, fyi. The entire article was provided by Blizzard and Gretech.
I'm pretty sure this is not the full story.
Even then I think that side of story has more truth than Seliths.
I'm so tired of these blizzard characters. I think Starcraft original is a better game that the second one. I have no idea why I could go and play the SC2. This, only practically the same game, with very few innovations? No thx. And these dudes trying to make everyone switch, so the only reason (LOL anyone is playing it, only there i will have with whom to play) to go to sc2 begins to have sense. Its actually the only reason. Starcraft is perfect like the chess. And this new game has no soul. ( If it had, there would be clear that it wasn't just a copy and contained something new. Unfortunately it doesn't ( And now it looks only like the tool to make money. SC1 never looked so. Yes it may be a LITTLE better in some moments, and contain some of the things that attracted you in SC1 due to being its successor, but for all that - 60$? LOL NO THX.
So Blizzard, please go far far away, I'd prefer to never know about your existence, and your shit games. I'm sure that all decent developers can do better games and all your achievements are only because of money that you did receive with going beyond morale (for example with backstabbing the Korean pro scene that earned you SC:BW popularity). So I hope anyone will forget about your games, as WoW i perfectly know begins to annoy people, and there could come no more new players. And I hope other developers do better games so that we can forget about your shit.
I'm so disappointed that you got to "own" SC that wasn't made by you, the actual people who do now make all this freaking mess. I hope someday you go far far away.
I'm pretty sure Blizzard can't do anything because it took them this long for IP rights. I think there are some laws that If you don't do anything to protect your IP rights right off the bat after a few years it doesn't really matter if they try to sue you for it.
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( If it had, there would be clear that it wasn't just a copy and contained something new. Unfortunately it doesn't 
