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SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
November 04 2010 16:07 GMT
#121
I smell a mass exodus of BW pros to SC2. With the prize money out there, why wouldn't you? Sorry to all you diehard BW fans, but I can't wait.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
November 04 2010 16:07 GMT
#122
On November 05 2010 01:03 OreoBoi wrote:
So... Blizzard said "pay us money to broadcast OSL", and they did. And now they say "no screw you, we're suing you for broadcasting starcraft BW because we want MORE money".

What? You have to pay a licensing fee for every tournament. They paid one for the Korean Air league, but not for the current Bacchus league, so Blizzard is suing them.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
November 04 2010 16:09 GMT
#123
what will happen when the pros have military duty/retire?
there are barely any b-teamers left
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
November 04 2010 16:10 GMT
#124
On November 05 2010 00:31 C.W. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 00:25 Xiphos wrote:
On November 05 2010 00:18 C.W. wrote:
And Blizzard sure does the right thing - it's their damn property.
€dit:
"- stop saying "illegal, illegal", if they fans want it, they have all the rights to broadcast!"

This is ridiculous.


No you are ridiculous. Basically ALL the games you play at the moment does NOT belong to you. It is still the game companies's properties. Would you really want that? Stop posting stuff that you have no clue about.

You're a freaking retard. Buying a game does not give you the IP rights to it.
Did you actually read any of the freaking agreements you agreed to?
You just pay for that you are allowed to play the game.
And that is sure ok with me.
Idiot.

User was warned for this post



a) as if anyone reads the agreements... im sure almost no one actually reads it...

b) i think in our world it is quite normal that when you buy something you actually own it and you can do whatever you want with it (as long as you dont break any law using it (killing someone or w/e)... if i buy a can of coke i don't have to pay coca cola to show it on tv, if i buy a nike football i don't have to pay nike to show a game on tv where that ball was used... (yea might be a bad comparison blabla etc, im sure there's also counter arguments, i dont care, don't wanna start that discussion again)

I'm happy it's ok with you, but respect other people's opinion too? Especially when you make it seem like they are saying something delusional and their opinion isn't that strange at all...

You start by saying he's a freaking retard, then you end it with a totally unnessecary "Idiot", imo you're lucky not to be banned...
its me
2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
November 04 2010 16:18 GMT
#125
I don't get how people can be disgusted at Blizzard... Didn't try drag out long enough the inevitable lawsuits for acquiring illegal Broadcasting? AFAIK Blizzard was fine with it until KeSPA started charging broadcast rights and OGN/MBC agreed to pay... Even though everyone knows its illegal to...
Blobskillz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 16:20:04
November 04 2010 16:19 GMT
#126
On November 05 2010 01:10 Kaolla wrote:

b) i think in our world it is quite normal that when you buy something you actually own it and you can do whatever you want with it (as long as you dont break any law using it (killing someone or w/e)... if i buy a can of coke i don't have to pay coca cola to show it on tv, if i buy a nike football i don't have to pay nike to show a game on tv where that ball was used... (yea might be a bad comparison blabla etc, im sure there's also counter arguments, i dont care, don't wanna start that discussion again)



that's where you got it wrong. sticking to your example it would be liek this.

You buy a bottle of coke ( fine )
you show it on TV ( fine )


and now why Coke would sue you

you buy the bottle
you resell the bottle


the process of reselling something when you dont own the rights to do so is why Blizazrd started the sueing
Borknagarush
Profile Joined February 2009
176 Posts
November 04 2010 16:22 GMT
#127
Well im waiting when one team monopolizes GSL and game will stop evolving. Luckily there will be WC4 in 2012.
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 16:25:37
November 04 2010 16:24 GMT
#128
On November 05 2010 01:19 Blobskillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 01:10 Kaolla wrote:

b) i think in our world it is quite normal that when you buy something you actually own it and you can do whatever you want with it (as long as you dont break any law using it (killing someone or w/e)... if i buy a can of coke i don't have to pay coca cola to show it on tv, if i buy a nike football i don't have to pay nike to show a game on tv where that ball was used... (yea might be a bad comparison blabla etc, im sure there's also counter arguments, i dont care, don't wanna start that discussion again)



that's where you got it wrong. sticking to your example it would be liek this.

You buy a bottle of coke ( fine )
you show it on TV ( fine )


and now why Coke would sue you

you buy the bottle
you resell the bottle


the process of reselling something when you dont own the rights to do so is why Blizazrd started the sueing


I think it's like buying coke and calling it Pepsi would be better example.


+ Show Spoiler +
Lol


On November 05 2010 01:22 Borknagarush wrote:
Well im waiting when one team monopolizes GSL and game will stop evolving. Luckily there will be WC4 in 2012.


what are you talking about?
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
November 04 2010 16:25 GMT
#129
There wouldn't be a personal affront if he actually had a point or didn't start with sentence with "youre ridiculous".
Also knowing nowadays that you just get to own the copy of a programe that you paid for,no more - no less, should be common.
The legal world works thru contracts. You can design it after your interests and needs.
Not much room for big opinions here.

Also the intolerance began when he started the personal affront due to the expression of my opinion in my post - why should I tolerate his?
Quid pro Quo.

Thanks for your insight.
t(','t)
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
November 04 2010 16:28 GMT
#130
Very interesting, this will drag out and we should get another OSL done. It does make sense to sue each individual company individually.

This will hurt us for now, but it might open up a brighter future in e-sports, it might not. It is impossible to tell what will happen in the future.

Brood War forever!
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 16:30:30
November 04 2010 16:29 GMT
#131
To be honest I don't think you're allowed to even show Coke on TV without their explicit permission. There's a reason why Mythbusters covers the label on every household item they use.

My question is; what has the reaction from TOP Broodwar players been? The legal aspects are clearly above and beyond them, but I wonder if any have made it known that they will be changing games soon if everything falls through.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
November 04 2010 16:35 GMT
#132
On November 05 2010 01:29 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
To be honest I don't think you're allowed to even show Coke on TV without their explicit permission. There's a reason why Mythbusters covers the label on every household item they use.

My question is; what has the reaction from TOP Broodwar players been? The legal aspects are clearly above and beyond them, but I wonder if any have made it known that they will be changing games soon if everything falls through.

you're right, they're not
that's why in a lot of movies, you'll see a general label of "Soda" or "Chips" instead of an actual brand
renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
November 04 2010 16:36 GMT
#133
On November 05 2010 01:29 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
To be honest I don't think you're allowed to even show Coke on TV without their explicit permission. There's a reason why Mythbusters covers the label on every household item they use.

My question is; what has the reaction from TOP Broodwar players been? The legal aspects are clearly above and beyond them, but I wonder if any have made it known that they will be changing games soon if everything falls through.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you show a brand on TV/movie like a Toyota car, the company that has their product shown has to pay YOU in some way, not the other way around. I think it has to do with free advertisement for that company.
Bisu is the man
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
November 04 2010 16:37 GMT
#134
go to hell you all blaming blizzard. They have the right to charge whatever they want for the game THEY mande.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 04 2010 16:37 GMT
#135
People are disgusted because they can't separate their love for all things BW and objective analysis of the facts and IP law. Nothing new.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 04 2010 16:39 GMT
#136
aw come on blizzard .. leave bw alone already TT
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
November 04 2010 16:40 GMT
#137
Paul Sams, Chief Operating Officer of Blizzard, said 'We asked OGN to either acquire the legal right to broadcast or stop the process of the league on October 22, but all we got in return was the already planned schedule of new OSL and MSL from KeSPA. This only meant that they'd go forward without our consent.' He also said 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs. However, it is more important that we protect our rights, and it's a shame that we have to sort this out in such a way.'


Now wait a second. 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs'... No love for MBCGame? This doesn't seem very good for MBC, because Blizzard doesn't seem to like them one bit.

Also, it seems like KeSPA just wanted to get the negotiations sped up by showing their schedules. From what it seems, the arguments keep going around in circles, no progress at all. Now I understand Blizz's standpoint, but KeSPA has to keep these leagues running for the teams and the players.
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2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
November 04 2010 16:46 GMT
#138
On November 05 2010 01:40 a9arnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
Paul Sams, Chief Operating Officer of Blizzard, said 'We asked OGN to either acquire the legal right to broadcast or stop the process of the league on October 22, but all we got in return was the already planned schedule of new OSL and MSL from KeSPA. This only meant that they'd go forward without our consent.' He also said 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs. However, it is more important that we protect our rights, and it's a shame that we have to sort this out in such a way.'


Now wait a second. 'We strongly believe that OSL and GSL can co-exist, and we wish the best with the OGN programs'... No love for MBCGame? This doesn't seem very good for MBC, because Blizzard doesn't seem to like them one bit.


arent both gretech/ogn owned by CJ? which could have led to that declaration...
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
November 04 2010 16:47 GMT
#139
On November 05 2010 01:36 renzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 01:29 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
To be honest I don't think you're allowed to even show Coke on TV without their explicit permission. There's a reason why Mythbusters covers the label on every household item they use.

My question is; what has the reaction from TOP Broodwar players been? The legal aspects are clearly above and beyond them, but I wonder if any have made it known that they will be changing games soon if everything falls through.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you show a brand on TV/movie like a Toyota car, the company that has their product shown has to pay YOU in some way, not the other way around. I think it has to do with free advertisement for that company.

You're thinking of product placement. Companies will pay to have their product featured in a show, movie, etc. But "free advertising" isn't a legal defense which is why a lot of logos in music videos have heavy blur applied to them.
High five :---)
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
November 04 2010 16:52 GMT
#140
On November 05 2010 01:36 renzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 01:29 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
To be honest I don't think you're allowed to even show Coke on TV without their explicit permission. There's a reason why Mythbusters covers the label on every household item they use.

My question is; what has the reaction from TOP Broodwar players been? The legal aspects are clearly above and beyond them, but I wonder if any have made it known that they will be changing games soon if everything falls through.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you show a brand on TV/movie like a Toyota car, the company that has their product shown has to pay YOU in some way, not the other way around. I think it has to do with free advertisement for that company.



This is pretty much off topic but...

Let us bring it back to the video game world. Gran Turismo is/was the echelon of racing games. They needed to still pay for the licensing fee's to car companies to use their cars in the game. GT usually never had the cars get damaged in the earlier games (never played anything passed 2) this was part of their deal with the companies to license the cars to be used in the games. This is the same with sports games, you need to get the rights to use the teams from the teams or organisation itself thus FIFA having most of the teams and PES having a select few.

Brood War forever!
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