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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:00 Slipspace wrote: the roach range increase AND the factory requirement for faster reapers they REALLY don't like this reaper play After this patch they might as well take them out of the game. Ladies and gentleman, I present you the Protoss Scout of SC2: ![[image loading]](http://procrastinationamplification.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Reaper.jpg) | ||
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Thunderfist
Poland159 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 08 2010 01:59 Cranberries wrote: Void Rays suck against Terran. Getting 3 Void Rays allows you to get at least 15 Marines, and 15 Marines with Stimpack active win against 3 Void Rays- charged or uncharged. People need to understand the Roach range change is a subtle counter to the Pylon cannon wall in that Zergs will constantly face. The pylon cannon wall in is uncounterable until Hydralisks, and puts the Zerg very, very far behind because they need the expansion due to the way Larvae management works. The build I described happens to be one of the most popular semi-allins on the korean server -.- 3 void rays + 3 warpgate push, if you dont have vikings and/or a bunch of bunkers you will die. You stim once, he force fields your ramp and retreats, comes back when your marines have 10 less hp and repeats. Im not even saying its imbalanced, but its good. | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
The other proposed changes seem decent, but might be overkill...sure fast pressure from terran is a pain, but its not impossible to deal with, and if they're going to nerf terran's rushes, why not nerf 6pool? they already got protoss. | ||
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Sv1
United States204 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
Fungal growth change, I'm fine with. Depot before barracks, I find retarded. Just takes away part of the game. Reapers weren't big of a problem anymore, and now they'll just suck and never be used again. Sigh. Two steps forward, one step backward though. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:02 gillon wrote: I agree, this is GAMEBREAKINGLY stupid. Terrans CANNOT cheese any longer. There is no longer a threat of cheese from this one race and that is huge. In a really bad fucking way. Protoss can't cheese either. Zerg can't cheese either. If you think 6 pool or Proxy 2 Gateways are nearly as strong as the number of cheese options Terran has[d], I think you should initiate a 6 pool or Proxy 2 Gateways and see how easily you're shutdown. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
"Oh I'm going to practice Zerg to get a better understanding blah blah". Yeah, sure. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Roach range increase? Wtf? If they think reapers and hellions kiting roaches is a problem, then give queens 1 additional ground range. That solves everything. This severely messes up PvZ. The roach's low range was the ONLY reason why stalkers were cost effective against them, and only when positioned correctly. Now both roaches and hydras kill stalkers. Come on Blizzard. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
Range is, well I like but we will see. I don't think roach is suddenly going to beceme some unstoppabe monster. Reaper speed after factory seems kinda harsh but I guess we will see how it will play out. The supply thing is weird though :o | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:01 Kiante wrote: or you accidently run your reaper pack into the back of his army and it instantly dies. Are you sure you should ask for Blizzards help to fix this? | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
Also, Roach increase in range will also help with map imbalances like the cliff on Lost Temple that Zerg currently has few answers to. | ||
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HDPhoenix
Singapore83 Posts
I almost feel like I'm being trolled. The barracks needing depot, reaper speed needing factory + the roach range increase just to counter a reaper build that has already gotten 2 earlier nerfs (bunkers and zeaper build time) seems really REALLY extreme... The roach buff is really nice thou. It would most likely be 4 range instead of the current 3? It'll make concaving your opponent so much easier | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:04 Lonyo wrote: Well now we know that Morrow has a man on the inside. "Oh I'm going to practice Zerg to get a better understanding blah blah". Yeah, sure. lol. This post delivers. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
This World of Warcraft balance approach scares the living crap out of me to be honest | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
What now, I have to scout with my 7th worker and cut scvs to make a depot at 8, rax at 9 every game on steppes? This is beyond stupid. I wouldn't be as pissed if maps were of proper size, but this is just ridiculous. | ||
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Hellions are gonna have a really hard time kiting roaches with longer range -_- Hellion into expo (i.e what TLO played in GSL vs Losira) is already balancing the razors edge when it comes to surviving roach busts, so this might just kill the build entirely (I will wait and see what the exact range upgrade is of course). Midgame reapers are kinda obsolete as by then you have dropships that are way more survivable, and dont take up 40 seconds or whatever of your barracks production time. Reapers need some kind of midgame upgrade other than speed (lol, get a starport after factory or get speed reapers - HARD CHOICE, NOT) to be interesting. Hellions have 6 range and roaches currently have 3. Reapers had 4 range and people were still able to kill roaches using reapers. | ||
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The build I described happens to be one of the most popular semi-allins on the korean server -.- Maybe you should scout around the entire map? If you lose to a building you didn't scout, isn't that your fault? When IdrA lost to his opponent in the GSL because he didn't scout the hidden Nexus, he didn't say it was overpowered- he pretty much agreed it was his own mistake. Or perhaps Terran shouldn't need to scout? | ||
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