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On March 27 2009 00:33 GinNtoniC wrote:
I'm going to fuel the flames beforehand by saying (and this is actually my most serious opinion) that this obviously wouldn't have happened without every other US family keeping a firearm of some sort at home (well, duh!)
I know, I know, it's too late to change the law since now everyone has a gun, it's too late to recall them. People get guns because everyone else has guns and "I'll return my gun, if everyone else return their guns" etc and so on.
I understand the fundamental problem of why it's too late to change american gunlaws.
Nevertheless - flaming or not - I'd like to see some debate on this from U.S. citizens who actually have the inside information and the experience I lack.
Yeah kinda where i wanted to get at just more well put
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from what i understand,the firearm industry is making a lot of money every year thats why the us government is pro gun.
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On March 27 2009 00:34 Rice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 00:33 GinNtoniC wrote:
I'm going to fuel the flames beforehand by saying (and this is actually my most serious opinion) that this obviously wouldn't have happened without every other US family keeping a firearm of some sort at home (well, duh!)
I know, I know, it's too late to change the law since now everyone has a gun, it's too late to recall them. People get guns because everyone else has guns and "I'll return my gun, if everyone else return their guns" etc and so on.
I understand the fundamental problem of why it's too late to change american gunlaws.
Nevertheless - flaming or not - I'd like to see some debate on this from U.S. citizens who actually have the inside information and the experience I lack. yes, you've obviously been in every american household and know that they all have guns.
exactly, I haven't. /sarcasm.
If you took the time to read my post I said "every other US family" and the line "I'll return my gun, if everyone else return their guns" is just an expression of the underlying philosophy.
By saying that I'm not actually stating what amount of people actually have guns, but rather describing the basic thought behind why it's hard to give up your weapon if other people get to keep theirs. I probably wouldn't either.
In some way, that'd be like Al Gore making everyone get rid of their fuel-driven cars for the sake of the environment - only half the people would get to keep theirs due to various priviledges or whatever.
It's just basic "I'm not letting go, unless everyone is".
Finally, I did end my post by saying that I'd like US citizens to debate this who actually know what they're talking about. I'm merely speculating because - as you so elegantly pointed out - I don't actually know squat, since I've never lived in the US.
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I'm not allowed to express my opinion while at work but I'm pretty sure that I won't be fired for saying this:
Keeping guns around children is stupid as fuck. Children are cruel and dumb.
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lol just realized the guy in the story is named Chris Brown. maybe he paid his son off
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On March 27 2009 00:44 BlackJack wrote:
lol just realized the guy in the story is named Chris Brown. maybe he paid his son off
that's cold man :S
... kind of funny though.
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a) this had very little to do with guns. The kid could easily have used a knife, it's not likely counterstrike doesn't have knives
b) kid was mentally ill. Shouldn't get life though, should get committed/juvie.
c) Natural Selection ftw
d) STFU I DONT WANNA HEAR THE GUNNAZ MASTERDEBATERS
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On March 27 2009 00:46 Caller wrote:
a) this had very little to do with guns. The kid could easily have used a knife, it's not likely counterstrike doesn't have knives
d) STFU I DONT WANNA HEAR THE GUNNAZ MASTERDEBATERS
A) I know, I merely came to think about the american gunlaws, and felt like discussing them.
Or more precisely; listening to other people discuss them.
D) Sorry man, but you don't have to be in this thread
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gg no re for the boy
enjoy ur death
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On March 27 2009 00:22 unkkz wrote:
Yeah well, always in America this crap happens. Kid seems pretty messed up and he cannot be mentaly stable, but with him covering up the sound of the shotgun and shooting her in her sleep kinda proves he knew what he was doing.
I find it hilarious though how i read about this over and over again in the states and the general american public do not understand how things like this can happen. Just change your gun laws already? Really what is the point of your gunlaws when all they do is cause problems and getting people killed? Can some american explain to me why the politicians and general american public are so blind to this fact?
The people who want to use guns for the wrong reasons will find ways to get guns no matter what the laws say. Granted it will be a little difficult but they'll still obtain them one way or another. Take a look at the ban on fully automatic weapons and guess how many people on the streets actually have them.
Taking guns away from the public just limits their ability to defend themselves.
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On March 27 2009 00:37 Ace wrote:
/epic facepalm
This is proly cuz of those damned violent video games. For shame!
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shouldnt be life sentence no way imo. Just shouldn't.
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On March 27 2009 00:33 GinNtoniC wrote:
I'm going to fuel the flames beforehand by saying (and this is actually my most serious opinion) that this obviously wouldn't have happened without every other US family keeping a firearm of some sort at home (well, duh!)
I know, I know, it's too late to change the law since now everyone has a gun, it's too late to recall them. People get guns because everyone else has guns and "I'll return my gun, if everyone else return their guns" etc and so on.
I understand the fundamental problem of why it's too late to change american gunlaws.
Nevertheless - flaming or not - I'd like to see some debate on this from U.S. citizens who actually have the inside information and the experience I lack. what inside information
hicks like shooting shit cuz it makes them feel manly to kill deer
politicians like hicks voting for them
that pretty much covers it
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I'll ask an honest question to our German residents: what would have happened to that kid that murdered several people at school recently had he been caught and charged prior to committing suicide? Please don't answer unless you have an honest idea of the legal precedents for heinous juvenile crimes in the country; I'm actually curious.
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On March 27 2009 00:53 HamerD wrote:
shouldnt be life sentence no way imo. Just shouldn't.
so what's an adequate punishment?
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On March 27 2009 00:57 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 00:33 GinNtoniC wrote:
I'm going to fuel the flames beforehand by saying (and this is actually my most serious opinion) that this obviously wouldn't have happened without every other US family keeping a firearm of some sort at home (well, duh!)
I know, I know, it's too late to change the law since now everyone has a gun, it's too late to recall them. People get guns because everyone else has guns and "I'll return my gun, if everyone else return their guns" etc and so on.
I understand the fundamental problem of why it's too late to change american gunlaws.
Nevertheless - flaming or not - I'd like to see some debate on this from U.S. citizens who actually have the inside information and the experience I lack. what inside information hicks like shooting shit cuz it makes them feel manly to kill deer politicians like hicks voting for them that pretty much covers it
although that's such a shallow response, I see what you're getting at, and it actually holds merit.
And what I mean by "inside information" is basically the opinions of people who're actually forced (yeah, I'm using the word forced) to live with these laws.
Not "inside information" as in the people who actually use guns to shoot other people -.-
Don't be condescending 
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i don't think the absurd thing is the 11 year old shooting at someone (ok, it's absurd).
I think it's absurde to give him a life sentence...
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If there was no gun the kid might have used something else, such as kitchen knife or hammer.
Who knows, he was probably not only deeply jealous and engulfed in envy, but also desperate or just overall crazy.
Regardless of what sentece they are going to give him, it's likely that he will suffer even more if he ever realizes the gravity of his actions.
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expected of the kid really, from an evolutionary point of view. just the animal side of people showing through
as for the life sentence. that is just silly
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